"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

Delirium · 07-03-2012 10:14PM

Gorillas & Humans Closer Than Thought, Genome Sequencing Reveals

dlofnep · 07-03-2012 10:16PM

Does that mean I can finally hug a Gorilla?

Bannasidhe · 08-03-2012 03:54AM

dlofnep wrote: »

Does that mean I can finally hug a Gorilla?

Hug - Yes.
Cuddle - Yes.
Kiss -If the gorilla consents but no tongues.
Breed with - No.

Bannasidhe · 08-03-2012 04:04AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Then obviously the two species aren't from the same baramin. Duh.

:rolleyes:

That and the fact that the silverback would rip off the head off anyone who tried - this is how rugby was originally invented.
All the Web Ellis picking up the ball and running with it malarky is just creationist nonsense. In reality it started when a horny homo erectus got frisky in the mountain mists and wham - the world's first maul.

J C · 08-03-2012 08:48AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Careful, he might think you're being serious.

As W2M (Worm to Man) Evolution has it's funny sides ... I never take you guys seriously!!!:):D
I'll reply to oldrnwisr's substantial posting at the weekend.

wrote:

Originally Posted by dlofnep
Does that mean I can finally hug a Gorilla?

Originally Posted by Bannasidhe
Hug - Yes.
Cuddle - Yes.
Kiss -If the gorilla consents but no tongues.
Breed with - No.

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob
Then obviously the two species aren't from the same baramin. Duh.

You guys are starting to learn Creation Science ... slowly ... and against your wills ... but ye are learning it nontheless!!!
I was a bit like that myself, when I first discovered that I wasn't an Ape with a large Cranium ... I went into denial and had a personal faith crisis ... in W2M Evolution.:D
... but my pride kept me from admitting that I wasn't a descendent of a Pond-thing ... or a Monkey's Cousin!!!:D

The peace and love of Jesus Christ to you all.:)

J C · 08-03-2012 09:10AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I've learned more about evolution from reading your posts than I did at Uni

There obviously isn't much real stuff to learn in the first place!!:)

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The infuriating thing is he's going to take the evidence you put up and somehow bastardise it in an attempt to claim it supports creationism.

The bastardisation of the evidence is on the W2M Evolutionist side of the house ... I'm just 'un-bastardising' it!!!:)

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Can I also point out once more that this notion that every bit of sedimentary rock on earth came from one flood should be obviously untrue to anyone who's studied any large sedimentary formation in any detail whatsoever. There is nothing, nothing to suggest these rocks were deposited in one flood. We just wouldn't see the kind of layering that we see.

This is what happened after the Mount St Helens Volcanic and water explosion ...
Quote:- "the bottom layer formed in 6 hours on 18th May 1980, the middle layer was formed on 12th June 1980 and the top layer by mud flow in March 1982,
Please note the scale of the deposition ... and the evidence of layers ... that would be called varves ... but for the fact that everybody saw them forming!!!

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We wouldn't see everything organised chronologically, that's for sure. It's horseshit of the highest order and anyone claiming nonsense like this is true should be ashamed of themselves.

We don't see this ... except in out imaginations ... we see billions of dead things buried catastrophically in rock layers laid down by water all over the Earth ... how we choose to interpret this ... is largely down to our worldview!!

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

J C, it's also pretty laughable that you claim 'Microbe to man' (as you like to call it) evolution over millions of years is a ridiculous theory, while claiming the amount of speciation required in the few thousand years required to support this 'Baramin' rubbish is a plausible scientific theory. Do you realise how much you're contradicting yourself here? Do you even think before you post?

I've upgraded it to Worm to Man Evolution in deference to the 'discovery' of out supposed worm ancestor!!!:)
... and the difference is that Creationists postulate that speciation occurred rapidly using pre-existing intelligently designed CFSI ... which is entirely possible (because of the intelligent input) ... while Evolutionists postulate that speciation occurred via a series of 'happy accidents' ... which is completely implausible.
... and how do ye explain polystrate fossils ... like this tree fossil extending through supposed millions of years of rock layers??

Love ye all ... (i.e. I wish you all the very best that this life ... and eternal life can give).;):)

Monty Burnz · 08-03-2012 09:19AM

J C wrote: »

The Flood is depicted in the Bible as having two sources of water ... rain falling from above ... and (by far the greater) underground water bursting forth from below (the fountains of the great deep)!!!

It's kind of reassuring that in order to be a nutter Christian you don't just have to abandon everything we know about biology - physics goes out the window too.

I look forward to chemistry being scrapped too as soon as it is found to disprove some 2500 year old yarn.

Delirium · 08-03-2012 09:32AM

J C wrote: »

As W2M (Worm to Man) Evolution has it's funny sides ... I never take you guys seriously!!!:):D
I'll reply to oldrnwisr's substantial posting at the weekend.

You guys are starting to learn Creation Science ... slowly ... and against your wills ... but ye are learning it nontheless!!!
I was a bit like that myself, when I first discovered that I wasn't an Ape with a large Cranium ... I went into denial and had a personal faith crisis ... in W2M Evolution.:D
... but my pride kept me from admitting that I wasn't a descendent of a Pond-thing ... or a Monkey's Cousin!!!:D

The peace and love of Jesus Christ to you all.:)

Hold on. you claim that you were an evolutionary scientist and you didn't know you weren't an ape?? How the hell did you get any accrediation if you didn't know that basic fact?

robindch · 08-03-2012 10:33AM

koth wrote: »

How the hell did you get any accrediation if you didn't know that basic fact?

By going to a creationist diploma-mill?

Delirium · 08-03-2012 10:43AM

robindch wrote: »

By going to a creationist diploma-mill?

would explain why JC has such a terrible knowledge of evolution.

fatmammycat · 08-03-2012 10:48AM

koth wrote: »

would explain why JC has such a terrible knowledge of evolution.

Guys, he's not a scientist, he's not anything except THE most tedious troll to ever dis-grace this forum.

Sarky · 08-03-2012 10:50AM

J C wrote: »

I'll reply to oldrnwisr's substantial posting at the weekend.

Don't bother unless your post includes some EVIDENCE for your retarded claims. You've posted enough stupid things to keep us laughing at you for years to come we really don't need more ammunition.

Oh, and if you could finally get around to posting up a robust mathematical definition of cfsi that'd be super. If it isn't included in one of your next 2 posts, I'll take it to mean you admit that Dembski is a lying scumbag.

Sonics2k · 08-03-2012 11:00AM

GODS DAMMIT JC STOP SAYING MONKEY!
Learn the damn difference!

:mad:

Monty Burnz · 08-03-2012 01:08PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

GODS DAMMIT JC STOP SAYING MONKEY!
Learn the damn difference!

:mad:

Meh, they're more or less the same thing. God created them both with the same wave of a tentacle.

Bannasidhe · 08-03-2012 01:17PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Meh, they're more or less the same thing. God created them both with the same wave of a tentacle.

and therein lies a tail...ba-boom-ching!:p

dlofnep · 08-03-2012 01:36PM

J C wrote: »

... and how do ye explain polystrate fossils ... like this tree fossil extending through supposed millions of years of rock layers??

It's already been explained a few pages back. You're arguing from personal incredulity again (as per usual). 'Polystrate fossils' are well understood and do not contradict the dating of the Earth at 4.5 billion years old.

Genghiz Cohen · 08-03-2012 05:46PM

Since J C Is so busy coming with with Dempskis proof, I feel the gap should be filled with knowledge!

The move from asexual reproduction to sexual repoduction.

I kind of imagine the process as moving from mitosis to a system like what plants have, to a distinct gender deal.

Problem is I have no idea what kind of selection pressures would account for the shifts.

RichieC · 08-03-2012 06:21PM

Every single example J C brings up is a first page Google result from some other creationist.

The mount St Helen Strata is indeed real and formed instantly in geological terms. Just because one formed this way does not mean they all did. poor.

J C · 08-03-2012 11:13PM

koth wrote: »

Hold on. you claim that you were an evolutionary scientist and you didn't know you weren't an ape??

... I know I'm not an Ape ...
... the point I'm making is that when I was an Evolutionist I believed that I was an Ape ...
... a belief that most other Evolutionists also subscribe to!!!:)

koth wrote: »

How the hell did you get any accrediation if you didn't know that basic fact (that Humans aren't Apes)?

Here is what one of your fellow Evolutionists has to say about Humans supposedly being Apes:-
Quote:-
"All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.
Despite many arguments by people to the contrary, I'd never seriously questioned the fact that humans are apes. After all, I acquired that particular tidbit of knowledge from my father, who is an anthropologist and therefore should know."

It would seem that it is ye guys who have the question mark hanging over your Evolutionist credentials ... and not me ... on the issue of Humans supposedly being 'Naked Apes'!!!:D

J C · 08-03-2012 11:18PM

RichieC wrote: »

The mount St Helen Strata is indeed real and formed instantly in geological terms. Just because one formed this way does not mean they all did.

It proves that catastrophic interactions between water and tectonic explosions (such as happened with Mount St Helens, (which we all observed) ... and in the Flood, (which we didn't observe) can produce fine stratification within the resultant sedimentary rocks.
... and it can do so within hours ... rather than millions of years.:)

Delirium · 08-03-2012 11:21PM

J C wrote: »

... I know I'm not an Ape ...
... the point I'm making is that when I was an Evolutionist I believed that I was an Ape ...
... a belief that most other Evolutionists also subscribe to!!!:)

I seriously doubt that actual evolutionists believe they are apes. Even a 5 year old can tell the difference between an ape and a human. It really is shocking that primary, secondary and a college education was needed before you had that realisation.:eek:

Here is what one of your fellow Evolutionists has to say about Humans being Apes:-
Quote:-
"All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.
Despite many arguments by people to the contrary, I'd never seriously questioned the fact that humans are apes. After all, I acquired that particular tidbit of knowledge from my father, who is an anthropologist and therefore should know."

More distorting of what people say.

for anyone who is interested, here's the complete quote that JC dishonestly presented in edited form:

Humans did not come from apes. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.
Source

Truly shameful stuff, JC.

and btw, you still have to explain why you dismissed the article about the worm being an ancestor to modern man.

J C · 08-03-2012 11:28PM

dlofnep wrote: »

It's already been explained a few pages back. You're arguing from personal incredulity again (as per usual). 'Polystrate fossils' are well understood and do not contradict the dating of the Earth at 4.5 billion years old.

... I'm arguing from damning evidence against millions of years being represented by rock layers that are several metres deep!!
... so how exactly do ye guys explain polystrate fossils ???
... or is is yet another Evolutionist miracle ... that just happened to happen ???

J C · 08-03-2012 11:44PM

koth wrote: »

I seriously doubt that actual evolutionists believe they are apes. Even a 5 year old can tell the difference between an ape and a human. It really is shocking that primary, secondary and a college education was needed before you had that realisation.:eek:

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

koth wrote: »

More distorting of what people say.
I've distorted nothing!!
for anyone who is interested, here's the complete quote that JC dishonestly presented in edited form:
Humans did not come from apes. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.

Truly shameful stuff, JC.

Nothing shameful about it ... the quote clearly states that Humans didn't come from Apes ... but that they are Apes.
If you recall, that was my original point (that I believed myself to be an Ape when I was an Evolutionist.

J C wrote:

You guys are starting to learn Creation Science ... slowly ... and against your wills ... but ye are learning it nontheless!!!
I was a bit like that myself, when I first discovered that I wasn't an Ape with a large Cranium ... I went into denial and had a personal faith crisis ... in W2M Evolution.

As ye are now saying that ye don't believe yourselves to be Apes ... this is another indication that ye are moving in the direction of Creationism ... and away from Evolutionism.:)
That was also my first step towards Creationism ... when I stopped believing that I was an Ape!!!
Welcome to the world of Creation Science ... but don't say anything to your fellow Evolutionists ... they tend to get very emotional if they are told that somebody is rejecting W2M Evolution.:eek:

koth wrote: »

and btw, you still have to explain why you dismissed the article about the worm being an ancestor to modern man.

Missing CFSI !!!!:D

Delirium · 08-03-2012 11:56PM

J C wrote: »

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

Descended from a common ancestor, and not a silver-back in a suit.

Nothing shameful about it ... the quote clearly states that Humans didn't come from Apes ... but they are Apes.
If you recall, that was my original point (that I believed myself to be an Ape when I was an Evolutionist.

It says that we're descended from a common ancestor.

As ye are now saying that ye don't believe yourselves to be Apes ... this is another indication that ye are moving in the direction of Creationism ... and away from Evolutionism.:)
That was also my first step towards Creationism ... when I stopped believing that I was an Ape!!!

Sorry, I'm not Christian and I've no plans to convert.

Missing CFSI !!!!:D

well first you best define what CFSI is, and I don't mean what each word means. I mean what the actual term means. And then you can explain what exactly is missing that backs up your claim.

J C · 09-03-2012 12:04AM

koth wrote: »

Descended from a common ancestor, and not a silver-back in a suit.

It says that we're descended from a common ancestor.

It also says that we are Apes!!!

... but it's nice to see that ye don't believe that ye are Apes ... progress in the direction of Creation Science at last!!!!:)

koth wrote: »

Sorry, I'm not Christian and I've no plans to convert.

You have the freedom to choose to be Saved ... or lost.

koth wrote: »

well first you best define what CFSI is, and I don't mean what each word means. I mean what the actual term means. And then you can explain what exactly is missing that backs up your claim.

CFSI is the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!:)
Happy now???:eek::)

robindch · 09-03-2012 12:09AM

J C wrote: »

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

Shocking to a creationist perhaps, but I think that's probably ok with most people here.

Sarky · 09-03-2012 12:12AM

No definition of cfsi in the last few of J C's posts.

It's official then- he has admitted he can't do it, and that Dembski was lying.

J C · 09-03-2012 12:14AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'll take my third level education over the inane ramblings of cretinist nutjobs anyway, thanks.

No argument ... just an unfounded Ad Hominem.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

But J C, surely even from a creationist viewpoint there must be some evidence that humans and apes are related. If all big cats (which can look quite different while sharing genetic and physical traits) came from the 'big cat baramin' or whatever the fuck you called it, then surely to be consistent you must also believe that humans and apes (which look quite different while sharing genetic and physical traits) are also related. Either that or you're just being inconsistant and picking and choosing when you want to bring any form of science into the debate.
Wait, actually, im starting to see a pattern here....

Many of the Cat species are interfertile to some degree and they all share an almost identical anatomy and body proprtions. Humans and Apes aren't interfertile to any degree ... and their anatomy and body proportions are distinctly different.
So the Creation Science position is objectively correct and consistent.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

All this word twisting is getting a bit tiresome.
I'd say it's more likely your first step to creationism was when you got a blow to the head.

Which, as any sane person knows, isn't even a real thing.

No argument ... just two more unfounded Ad Hominems.

J C · 09-03-2012 12:28AM

wrote:

Originally Posted by J C
It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

robindch
Shocking to a creationist perhaps, but I think that's probably ok with most people here.

Koth seems to think that Evolutionists don't believe they are Apes ... and is shocked that even a 5 year old would believe such nonesense!!!
... whereas you seem to think that most people on the thread think they are Apes.

wrote:

Originally Posted by koth
I seriously doubt that actual evolutionists believe they are apes. Even a 5 year old can tell the difference between an ape and a human. It really is shocking that primary, secondary and a college education was needed before you had that realisation

Ye really are a mixed up bunch of dudes ... not knowing your Apes from your elbows ... to coin a phrase!!!:D

J C · 09-03-2012 12:42AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Which makes more sense to a lot of people than the whole 'magically appeared out of thin air' argument put forward by your lot.

... so which is it?
... do ye believe ye are Apes ... just like I said ... and if ye do what have ye been arguing about for the past two pages? ... or do ye not know your Apes from your elbows???:)

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't think the word 'progress' should ever be used with the words 'creation science'

Wait until you become a Creation Scientist ... that will change your mind !!!:)

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yes J C we get it, you're scared of dying so you're kissing god's ring in the hope it gets you into the afterlife. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy my life.

Why should I be scared? ... I'm Saved.
... now, if I were like you ... and still Lost ... I might be afraid ... very afraid!!!:)

wrote:

J C
CFSI is the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!

Doctor Jimbob
Even for you that's a breathtakingly idiotic statement.

No argument ... just another unfounded Ad Hominem.
... and CFSI is indeed the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!

"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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