Why Australia and Canada ?

keithclancy · 07-03-2012 09:14PM #1

Was listening to Joe Duffy on the way home in the Car and there was people going on about these Expos in Dublin and Cork and the massive queues.

Two things stood.

1. The expo seemed like an opportunity to rip people off, basically just get a tenner a head and make some money out of people wanting to leave the Country.

2. There seems to be a total mania around heading to Australia and Canada, I didn't hear anyone once mention that they couldn't find a job in the UK, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Malta, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic (to name a few). English speaking jobs too.

I moved abroad myself back in 2007, not due to any financial or job reason, but just to get out and see whats out there. (Granted it was a change not being called a complete and utter moron on a regular basis for not buying a house)

TBH I see here as home now, I like my Neighbours, the lifestyle is great, the services are great, the Tax is high but i've found now working in different countries no matter what you earn the cost of living makes it all even.

So why move so far away from Ireland if its thats upsetting to be so far away from 'home' ?

It almost seems like the 'buying a house mania' has been replaced with a 'getting to Canada and Australia mania'

Even heard one lady on the show talking about there being no future in Ireland and moving to Australia for 'stability' when the Australians that i've met (Came to Europe) think the cost of living there has gone through the roof and the country is screwed if China stops buying raw materials since the arse will fall out of the mining industry which is essentially the reason for the economic boom.

Napper Hawkins · 07-03-2012 09:17PM

Because **** Ireland.

Sindri · 07-03-2012 09:22PM

There is supposedly lots of jobs out in British Columbia at the moment. My brothers in Canada at the moment and he couldn't work for a while as it was too cold.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 07-03-2012 09:26PM

In europe you need brains to survive. Most of the people I know who went to Australia are a bit thick and have no hope of learning French, Dutch, German etc

Toby Take a Bow · 07-03-2012 09:30PM

2 reasons. There are companies trying to get people to work in these countries. And secondly, they speak English. The vast majority of people in Ireland will have a huge problem getting well-paid work in the Czech Republic. Where abouts did you move to?

Toby Take a Bow · 07-03-2012 09:31PM

Juelz Slimy Ox wrote: »

In europe you need brains to survive. Most of the people I know who went to Australia are a bit thick and have no hope of learning French, Dutch, German etc

Lucky for them they moved to Australia, and not France, the Netherlands or Germany so.

Agricola · 07-03-2012 09:36PM

Because Europe and the Eurozone is in the shítter and will be for a long time. Oz and Canada are booming and they speaka d english. They are also more culturally similar to Ireland, i.e you dont get funny looks for ordering a pint of alcohol with your meals.

FoxT · 07-03-2012 09:38PM

Canada & Australia are English speaking.
Economically Canada seems excellent while Australia seems strong for now at least. Many of the people in Ireland who are out of work now are connected with the building trade, which is in a slump all across Europe - ( though there may be exceptions to this?) - so where else should they consider going?

I have a lot of sympathy for these people - heard one guy on the radio this morning was queuing since 1:30am to get in to the expo. The thousands queuing clearly are people who want to work, make a life for themselves & get off the dole.

Fair play to them I say.

OP if you have better ideas I am sure there are many who would be keen to hear them.

-FoxT

eth0 · 07-03-2012 09:41PM

I don't know about australia or canada and i'm not particularly interested in them but one place I'd hate to live in again is Holland. Overcrowded place full of restrictive laws and regulation, nosy people, tiny expensive houses, begrudgers (certainly not a uniquely irish thing)

Every country I go to has a serious amount of things wrong with it. People moving are enticed by the 'greener fields'. Unless someone offers me a high paying job in one of those places I can't see the point of going

FoxT · 07-03-2012 09:43PM

Juelz Slimy Ox wrote: »

In europe you need brains to survive. Most of the people I know who went to Australia are a bit thick and have no hope of learning French, Dutch, German etc

If I was to express what I truly feel about this post I'd be banned.It is a sweeping statement that implies that people looking for work in English - speaking countries are thick.

I'll confine myself to saying that it is one of the more offensive posts I've read in quite a while.

FatherLen · 07-03-2012 09:44PM

sorry stopped caring after i read joe duffy

PCPhoto · 07-03-2012 09:45PM

FoxT .... why queue for an expo though ...and simply get as much money as possible, do as much research online and go .... no point in paying money to chat to someone at a stand when they cant give you guarantees of a job....if people are desperate enough to leave the country and can afford to do it .... then ... best of luck - hope it all works out.

my sister emmigrated 2yrs ago to canada - she had a job here but gave it up to move to Canada and try find something better.... she may not have a better job now - but she is enjoying life.

krudler · 07-03-2012 09:45PM

eth0 wrote: »

I don't know about australia or canada and i'm not particularly interested in them but one place I'd hate to live in again is Holland. Overcrowded place full of restrictive laws and regulation, nosy people, tiny expensive houses, begrudgers (certainly not a uniquely irish thing)

Every country I go to has a serious amount of things wrong with it. People moving are enticed by the 'greener fields'. Unless someone offers me a high paying job in one of those places I can't see the point of going

experience? travel? say you've lived in another country for a while? because its not Ireland? I'm looking at going to Canada this year just to get out of Ireland for a year or two.

Yakult · 07-03-2012 09:46PM

FoxT wrote: »

I'll confine myself to saying that it is one of the more offensive posts I've read in quite a while.

Not even offensive, just pure stupid!

Might head to Canada in a year or two myself.

keithclancy · 07-03-2012 09:46PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

2 reasons. There are companies trying to get people to work in these countries. And secondly, they speak English. The vast majority of people in Ireland will have a huge problem getting well-paid work in the Czech Republic. Where abouts did you move to?

Moved to the Netherlands, now living in the South and Working over the Border in Germany.

I'd think the opposite, especially if your highly skilled or willing to contract.

E.G:
http://jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/contract-z%C3%BCrich

Or one of the European Offices (Their looking for a bunch of people) :
http://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/vacancies/examiners.html

Last I heard they only paid 3.5% Internal Tax and can buy a car BPM (VRT) free.

Plus a sh*t load of other benefits.

Agricola wrote: »

Because Europe and the Eurozone is in the shítter and will be for a long time. Oz and Canada are booming and they speaka d english. They are also more culturally similar to Ireland, i.e you dont get funny looks for ordering a pint of alcohol with your meals.

Me ar$e. I'd say the Germans (The Bavarians at least) drink more beer than the Irish do.

eth0 wrote: »

I don't know about australia or canada and i'm not particularly interested in them but one place I'd hate to live in again is Holland. Overcrowded place full of restrictive laws and regulation, nosy people, tiny expensive houses, begrudgers (certainly not a uniquely irish thing)

I suspect you were living 'above the rivers'
Myself I can't stand the Randstad for all the reasons you just pointed out.

Friends of mine just bought a house for very decent money with a massive garden and enough space for 2 cars, a Caravan, chickens and all sorts.

Princess Peach · 07-03-2012 09:50PM

Well for one the countries are fully English speaking so there's no barrier there. That makes it a lot easier to look for a job than in European countries that may have English speaking jobs but not that many.

Because of the language then the culture is quite similar. Not hard to make friends with the locals at all, and you don't feel so homesick or foreign.

People who find it "upsetting " to be so far away from Ireland don't move away so. Plenty of unemployed people who choose to stay in Ireland because it is their home. But some don't mind going away.

FoxT · 07-03-2012 09:58PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

FoxT .... why queue for an expo though ...and simply get as much money as possible, do as much research online and go .... no point in paying money to chat to someone at a stand when they cant give you guarantees of a job....if people are desperate enough to leave the country and can afford to do it .... then ... best of luck - hope it all works out.

my sister emmigrated 2yrs ago to canada - she had a job here but gave it up to move to Canada and try find something better.... she may not have a better job now - but she is enjoying life.

I expect that many of these people are trying to gather as much information as they can. I am sure that many are using online resources, contacting people they know who have aready moved abroad etc.

I have not attended these expos myself so cant say if they were worthwhile or not - but if I was in that position - I would have attended the expo also, as well as doing the other research.

Part of me feels that the expos may have been opportunistic or perhaps even exploitative - many so-called expos are - but not having attended I cant really comment.

eth0 · 07-03-2012 09:59PM

krudler wrote: »

experience? travel? say you've lived in another country for a while? because its not Ireland? I'm looking at going to Canada this year just to get out of Ireland for a year or two.

Overrated.

"Just to get out of ireland" - More of the greener fields, self hating paddy carry on.

I have nothing against going travelling, just the obession with it and why it has to be for years at a time in to the one place? In order for Irish people to want to go to a place it must be at least 5 hours flight away, english speaking, full of Irish already and it has to be a place that's perceived to be as "bigger and better" than Ireland. 100 well paid jobs in the backarse of Russia or some other remote obscure place? nobody would get off their arse for those.

FoxT · 07-03-2012 10:01PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Moved to the Netherlands, now living in the South and Working over the Border in Germany.

I'd think the opposite, especially if your highly skilled or willing to contract.

E.G:
http://jobs.trovit.co.uk/jobs/contract-z%C3%BCrich

Do you really think these thousands of people are Sybase experts, Java FX analysts, & SQL developers?

You've been away a good while, I'd say.

Princess Peach · 07-03-2012 10:06PM

eth0 wrote: »

Overrated.

"Just to get out of ireland" - More of the greener fields, self hating paddy carry on.

I have nothing against going travelling, just the obession with it and why it has to be for years at a time in to the one place? In order for Irish people to want to go to a place it must be at least 5 hours flight away, english speaking, full of Irish already and it has to be a place that's perceived to be as "bigger and better" than Ireland. 100 well paid jobs in the backarse of Russia or some other remote obscure place? nobody would get off their arse for those.

Why would anyone want to go to the backarse of Russia?

Travelling is about being sociable. You go to Canada or Australia and you can work but also you're in a developed country that's well populated and you can make friends and have a good time. People like to go for long periods of time so they can fully immerse themselves in a new culture while working and earning money.

Also they are going for a long time now because they can get work there, not in Ireland.

I'm in a part of Canada with very few Irish immigrants, even though all the Canadians claim to be Irish!

krudler · 07-03-2012 10:15PM

eth0 wrote: »

Overrated.

"Just to get out of ireland" - More of the greener fields, self hating paddy carry on.

I have nothing against going travelling, just the obession with it and why it has to be for years at a time in to the one place? In order for Irish people to want to go to a place it must be at least 5 hours flight away, english speaking, full of Irish already and it has to be a place that's perceived to be as "bigger and better" than Ireland. 100 well paid jobs in the backarse of Russia or some other remote obscure place? nobody would get off their arse for those.

unless you've done it you cant really say that. and if you want to experience whats its like to live in the back arse of Russia you could just go to Mayo.

eth0 · 07-03-2012 10:22PM

krudler wrote: »

unless you've done it you cant really say that. and if you want to experience whats its like to live in the back arse of Russia you could just go to Mayo.

Bah. All these far off 'exotic' places are more like Mayo than people like to let on

Can't think of one good reason to get excited over Canada or Australia if its at all possible for me to find a half decent job over here

keithclancy · 07-03-2012 10:37PM

FoxT wrote: »

Do you really think these thousands of people are Sybase experts, Java FX analysts, & SQL developers?

You've been away a good while, I'd say.

Well if you read what I posted:

I moved abroad myself back in 2007

And if you bothered to read the other link:

http://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/vacancies/examiners.html

Technical fields

We currently have job opportunities in various technical fields and EPO locations. Just click on the links below for more detailed information about vacancies in each technical field.

Applied thermodynamics
Audio video media
Civil engineering
Computers
Electronics
Industrial chemistry
Lighting/vehicle lighting/electromechanics
Measuring and testing
Mechanical engineering
Medical technology
Telecom

Everything I heard they were banging on about highly qualified people not able to find jobs?

Yeh, High Tech and Highly educated I would say theres a good few highly qualified people in various areas in Ireland

krudler · 07-03-2012 11:06PM

eth0 wrote: »

Bah. All these far off 'exotic' places are more like Mayo than people like to let on

Can't think of one good reason to get excited over Canada or Australia if its at all possible for me to find a half decent job over here

have ever been to canada? or the states? if it was easier to get into america to work I'd be there now

oppenheimer1 · 07-03-2012 11:13PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Well if you read what I posted:

And if you bothered to read the other link:

http://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/vacancies/examiners.html

Everything I heard they were banging on about highly qualified people not able to find jobs?

Yeh, High Tech and Highly educated I would say theres a good few highly qualified people in various areas in Ireland

At the moment, any large economy will have opportunities for those that are highly qualified - even Ireland has construction opportunities for the highest skill levels. The problem is that many on our live register are not highly qualified. Many were early school leavers that found employment in manufacturing, construction and consumer services and have no formal qualifications. Emigration will be highly difficult for those people as there is no shortage of shop assistants in Canada.

Over half of our unemployed are over a year on the dole. What I don't understand is this apparent sudden rush for the boat. Surely if you were going to leave, you'd have left at this stage?

It almost appears to be a right-of-passage (Canada and Australia), or for want of a better word, a bandwagon.

n900guy · 07-03-2012 11:23PM

EURES says 1,357,414 current vacancies. No visa required, 1-2 hrs max from Dublin or Cork airport.

People go to the ass end of Australia or Canada because they want to earn bigger money working in rural areas. They coudl get a job in Ireland, but want the celtic tiger incomes. For now, that is Australia. In 3 years, it may be China. This justification that it's language of "culture" (balony IMO) will wear thin once the booms in Canada and Aus/NZ blow open.

People are going because they want to do little work like for as much money as posisble, just like the developer/morkeshing industries in ireland did for the celtic tiger years. You can go to Aus, exploit the temporarily strong Aus currency, keep celtic tigering it by getting plastered and plastering some walls. Win win.

eth0 · 07-03-2012 11:26PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

It almost appears to be a right-of-passage (Canada and Australia), or for want of a better word, a bandwagon.

It would be alright. Seems much more pressure to go to some place for a few years to act the maggot and come back gloating about your diverse cultural experiences (getting high with a bunch of canadian slappers in a dingey flat and having 'the craic' with the Irish lads at the local bar and giving the barman a few of the 10 $1 notes he gave you as change) than in any other country. This isn't so much the case in other countries I find, there is no pressing need to go to some other place because their own is "good enough", other places are interesting but not a necessity to visit.

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why would anyone want to go to the backarse of Russia? Travelling is about being sociable. You go to Canada or Australia and you can work but also you're in a developed country that's well populated and you can make friends and have a good time. People like to go for long periods of time so they can fully immerse themselves in a new culture while working and earning money.

Also they are going for a long time now because they can get work there, not in Ireland.

I'm in a part of Canada with very few Irish immigrants, even though all the Canadians claim to be Irish!

The backarse of russia to me seems more interesting than some other western country, sure don't we get enough of their culture already in the form of TV and everything else? Make friends you might see once or twice after your visa runs out or never.. brilliant.

The work does seem to be the only valid reason to go over.

@krudler, have been to the States, don't see what draws people to the place or what in the f*ck makes people think it's in any way better than Ireland

Princess Peach · 07-03-2012 11:36PM

I'm not even working in Canada. I'm in college here. I came on a scholarship to do intercultural research.

But I love it and I wouldn't mind staying here if I got a job when I finish. Seeing something on tv and living it are totally different things. And every province in Canada has a different culture and atmosphere to it, you just can't get that thing without visiting. Travelling is my passion. I love visiting new places and having new experiences. You can see a photo of a place 1000 times but it never compares to the real thing.

If you are interested in going to Russia, thats fine! But there's nothing wrong with people wanted to experience life in Canada or Australia. Yes they are similar and speak English, but there are many aspects of the culture that are great.

And if you make friends you don't keep in touch with, then that's one person's problem. I lived in the states 3 years ago. Spoke to best friend from there just today, because we make the effort. Will I ever see her again? Who knows, but we still keep in contact.

PirateShampoo · 07-03-2012 11:37PM

Because in Australia I earn 2k a week after tax doing literally **** all. I fix roads over here and its like working for the council.

HalloweenJack · 07-03-2012 11:58PM

I live in the Czech Republic. There are three industries which are crying out for people with native English: teaching English, IT and customer support.

The money is good in relation to the cost of living here and the place is nice. I wouldn't dismiss a place just because they don't speak English. If anything, there could be more opportunities there than in other English-speaking countries.

grindle · 07-03-2012 11:58PM

eth0 wrote: »

Can't think of one good reason to get excited over Canada or Australia if its at all possible for me to find a half decent job over here

Australia --> Sunshine.

Canada --> A thousand tiny cultural units that make up a great sum of reasons to check it out, just as we have a few that should make other people want to come here, though given our passive-aggressive, wolf-pack thug mentality (obvious generalism), we have slightly less.
Yes, I know scum exists in Canadialand. But less of it, and less of a miserable, curmudgeonly attitude from the average "grass isn't greener" naysayers.

Why Australia and Canada ?

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