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Should Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen be put on trial?

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  • #62
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Its a hard one, we some people voted them in and most some of us loved that we could borrow endless amounts of money


    Just amended some incredible sweeping generalisations in that post.


  • #63
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Should he be put on trial (if only for possibly changing laws so that his mates could benefit?)... Yes.

    Will he? No.

    Why?
    ...Because I suspect he knows just too much about who also is involved in many of his antics which possibly extends over many decades and possibly with others of all parties that used to sit across from him in the Dail.

    The last place the present government wants Mr Ahern, is in the dock.
    The stuff he might come out with if he decided to take a few down with him, would shake this country to its core - and that I suspect is what they are afraid partly of.


  • #64
    cloptrop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    Eduardo Calm Cue wrote: »
    What kind of a chocolate factory rents out rooms to yoga classes?

    An intelligent one that has its chocolate fingers in many moonpies.


  • #65
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Motorist wrote: »
    As much as I'd like to see MaFFia pay for ruining the country, this thread is just fanciful nonsense.

    Eh.......
    Ms Burton says all those who sat around the Cabinet table of the last government need to come before a Dáil inquiry to answer questions about what happened.
    Three inquiries have been held into the collapse of the banks but Ms Burton says they were all held in private and none dealt with the role of the ECB or the former government.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0425/economy.html
    Anyone wrote: »
    Is stupidity and incompetence a crime now?

    How are they stupid and or incompetent?
    Domo230 wrote: »
    Last time I checked it was not illegal to be incompetent.

    I took a well educated, experienced politician about a year and a half to successfully scam the public into bailing Anglo. The central bank had to counterfeit €51 billion at one point just to feed it's bosses egos.
    Bailing out Anglo is economic treason says An Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore

    http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/bailing-out-anglo-is-economic-treason-says-an-tanaiste-eamon-gilmore/

    It won't take wikileaks or something to bring to light what happened here. Dogs on the street knew then and know now what went on between the leaders of FF & FG when they bailed their mates and bankrupted the state.

    Brenda Powers article on page 13 of yesterdays Sunday Times gives a fairly good account of the feeling of the nation. People need jailing over this. That's the actual reality. No amount of FF sand bagging can cover this up.


  • #66
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    The PR guys should all be taken to court. They actively conspired against the Irish people by encouraging our politicians to corrupt the facts for political gain. All they do is corrupt information that we should be getting straight. If not taken to court the use of PR and media guys should be completely banned from politics.

    All politicians should be held accountable for their actions during their service, every other worker is. We should be looking for any way of not paying them any more money.


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  • #67
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    cloptrop wrote: »
    If Tommy the chocolate factory worker ran out of space to store his chocolate one day and decided to stick it in another room up the hall that seemed empty , just stuck a couple of pallets in the corner and sure nobody will notice its Friday evening and he was gonna move it monday morning when the trucks took some stuff out of the way.
    Put poor Tommy didnt realise that a yoga instructor rented that room on weekends to do bikram yoga classes.
    Chaos ensues and Tommy comes in monday to a room of melted chocolate.
    Should Tommy face trial or just be deported.

    Where's the part where everyone shouts at Tommy that it's a bad idea to park there an he turns around and tells them to f**k off and commit suicide ?


  • #68
    cloptrop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    The newspapers should be brought to court for sabotaging the Irish government by talking down the economy .
    Its treason.
    All them people that lied about their wages to get a mortgage and a new car and now cant pay it should be jailed.
    The investment people who are still getting paid should be told to **** off.
    Bertie should be made go on the late late show and do the im a little tea pot dance . Brian Cowen should be made diet .
    The makers of m night shalanans last god knows how many films should be made watch them .
    Mary Harney should be made work as a nurse for the rest of her life.


  • #69
    Jasonx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭Jasonx


    Instead of paying the costs of a court case why not just strip these people of the fat state pensions they are receiving. if they like they can hold a referendum on it and let the taxpayers decide what they get and in the referendum let the current shower know if they too continue to **** up the country the fat pensions wont be there for them either.

    But as someone said this is Ireland. where people like Sherlock can ignore the people and do what he wants knowing the worst that will happen to him is he doesnt get voted back in. sure again he has that pension to look forward to and a job with his friends in the music industry.

    may be in a 100 years from now people will ask how were the Irish people so stupid to stand by and allow politician after politician to screw the country


  • #70
    toxicity234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭toxicity234


    Yeah,
    As should all the opposition leaders over the last 14 years.
    If you don't believe me read any of there campaign propaganda in full over the period your talk about.
    I remember all the talk about how to get first time buyers on the properties ladder


  • #71
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    [QUOTE=Biggins;77432666

    Why?
    ...Because I suspect he knows just too much about who also is involved in many of his antics which possibly extends over many decades and possibly with others of all parties that used to sit across from him in the Dail.

    The last place the present government wants Mr Ahern, is in the dock.
    The stuff he might come out with if he decided to take a few down with him, would shake this country to its core - and that I suspect is what they are afraid partly of.[/QUOTE]

    That's about it. It's why so many of us wanted people to vote independent. PS workers, politicians, developers and bankers conspired against the state.


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  • #72
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    France 24 are covering the story of the Icelandic PM who faces trial, simply because he is accountable for the bubble in Iceland.

    ''Haarde’s trial - the culmination of a long fight by
    the politician to avoid prosecution - marks a new
    chapter in the aftermath of the meltdown:
    accountability.''

    Honestly can't see any reason why Cowen and co are still free and drawing salaries from the state.


  • #73
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    smash wrote: »
    Personally I think them, and the financial regulator and the whole dept of finance should be put on trial!

    forget a trial none of them are worth the expense.... but them against a wall a shoot them...


  • #74
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    France 24 are covering the story of the Icelandic PM who faces trial, simply because he is accountable for the bubble in Iceland.

    ''Haarde’s trial - the culmination of a long fight by
    the politician to avoid prosecution - marks a new
    chapter in the aftermath of the meltdown:
    accountability.''

    Honestly can't see any reason why Cowen and co are still free and drawing salaries from the state.

    because other than complain about no one will do anything about it.


  • #75
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »

    Honestly can't see any reason why Cowen and co are still free and drawing salaries from the state.

    €2,596 euro a week pension


    Poor Bertie
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1028/1224306623410.html

    FORMER TAOISEACH Bertie Ahern has defended his State pension of approximately €135,000 (it was €152,331) and said he had worked for it for 40 years.


    Cowen is on a grand a year less than bertie



    ALMOST €8.8 million of taxpayers’ money will be paid out in pensions for 109 former ministers this year.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1110/1224307311467.html



    Top pensions


    Top Pensions
    Bertie Ahern €152,331

    Michael D Higgins €87,928

    Albert Reynolds €149,740

    Ray Burke €103,838

    John Bruton €141,849

    Dick Spring €121,108

    Liam Cosgrave €133,023

    Charlie McCreevy €119,177


    Mr Ahern said he had taken a reduction both in his taoiseach’s salary and then in his pension.


  • #76
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    They are only guilty of incompetence, cronyism, greed and a large dash of stupitidy.
    I wonder how many pople at the jobs fair last weekend would queue up to shake their hands and have a pic taken with them...:rolleyes:


  • #77
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    galwayrush wrote: »
    They are only guilty of incompetence, cronyism, greed and a large dash of stupitidy.

    That simply isn't true. Hiring a bunch of advisers, ignoring everything they say and spending the next 18 months figuring out how to defraud the tax payer isn't anything an incompetent person could do.


  • #78
    Alessia Kind Traitor
    Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭ Alessia Kind Traitor


    I still firmly believe that cowen will in the future be exposed as a complete crook there is something really suspicious about that mans involvement in bank of ireland .

    I hope it will eventually come out .


  • #79
    Nodster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Nodster


    No question, I'd throw my shoes at the lot of them


  • #80
    HOS 1997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭HOS 1997


    Seeing Ray Burke's salary is enough to make me sick.


  • #81
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Don't bother with the trial for this lot, waste of money, just jail the lot of them..

    Set up stocks in O'Connell street, once a week we get to throw rotten tomatoes at the lot of them


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  • #82
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Yes because i want to know word for word what was said on the night of the bank guarantee.


  • #83
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,717 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    the culture of deference wrote: »

    Top pensions
    Top Pensions
    Bertie Ahern €152,331
    Albert Reynolds €149,740
    Ray Burke €103,838
    Charlie McCreevy €119,177

    Dont forget Mary Hanafin and other members of that most destructive Cabinet are also on >100k pensions... The thing that I find most exceptional is that they think it's still okay to take these lubricious pensions from the State (pensions which they boosted while in office), even though the State is now borrowing to pay these pensions because of THEIR mistakes...

    If FF were really "sorry" as Michael Martin said, then they would force the ex party Ministers to show a bit of humility..

    And Ray Burke should still be in jail, never mind being paid his pension.. I mean what do you have to do in this country to LOSE a public service pension??


  • #84
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    woodoo wrote: »
    Yes because i want to know word for word what was said on the night of the bank guarantee.

    Probably something like this:

    Cowen: How'd the game of golf go lads, great course isn't it

    Bankers: The best.

    Cowen: Do you have that ahem...Donation for me

    *Bankers hand over brown envelope

    Cowen: Nice one lads. Drinks?

    Bankers: Make mine a large Middleton rare on the rocks

    Cowen: Session on! Wooohoo!


  • #85
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Its a hard one, we voted them in

    The icelanders voted in their ex PM and that hasn't stopped them at seeking justice and accountibility.

    The Germans voted in Hitler and Hitler was due on trial after WW2 before he hanged himself.
    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    most of us loved that we could borrow endless amounts of money

    Like the developers who borrowed millions and millions selfishly and greedily for their developments? In which many failed and went into nama.

    Some other people borrowed in proportion to their incomes.

    Many, many others did not borrow.


  • #86
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    what do you have to do in this country to LOSE a public service pension??

    Develop Alzheimers?


  • #87
    the culture of deference
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    micropig wrote: »
    Probably something like this:

    Cowen: How'd the game of golf go lads, great course isn't it

    Bankers: The best.

    Cowen: Do you have that ahem...Donation for me

    *Bankers hand over brown envelope

    Cowen: Nice one lads. Drinks?

    Bankers: Make mine a large Middleton rare on the rocks

    Cowen: Session on! Wooohoo!

    Pretty sure every that every brown envelope that went around had a little taste for Bertie. Not much would have went on without him pulling the strings.


  • #88
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    the culture of deference wrote: »
    Pretty sure every that every brown envelope that went around had a little taste for Bertie. Not much would have went on without him pulling the strings.

    Naturally, that goes without saying, he got his at the 5th hole:D


  • #89
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    squod wrote: »
    Develop Alzheimers?

    Nah, you'd still blend right in:D


  • #90
    jumpguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Anyone wrote: »
    Is stupidity and incompetence a crime now?
    Yes, it comes in many guises: malpractice, negligence...

    Bertie Ahern should definitely be put on trial. Nevermind the reckless policies that put the country in an insanely vulnerable position - the question of his dodgy payments has been brushed under the carpet. It seems if you're a politician in this country all you have to do to escape the law is to resign or take on a role of lesser significance.


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  • #91
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Just amended some incredible sweeping generalisations in that post.

    That's fine, but the main point i was getting at is still true!
    Politicians are kept in their jobs by the people, and i'm sorry to say but a lot of people haven't a clue what's best for them, so a lot of times, the politicians give them whatever they think they want, just to save their own jobs!

    No way around this really :o


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