Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

TomMc · 05-03-2012 08:29PM

At some point in the future, management types and company car parks might have less 520d's and more of these ..........

http://www.rtcc.co.uk/index.php?do=lanciaclassics&car=502e4a16930e414107ee22b6198c578f

05-03-2012 08:34PM

Next comes Bicycle tax!

veritable · 05-03-2012 08:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Next comes Bicycle tax!

It would be funny if it weren't possible!

Seweryn · 05-03-2012 08:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Next comes Bicycle tax!

Yeah, and number plates for pedestrians.

RandomAccess · 05-03-2012 09:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Next comes Bicycle tax!

Co2 based of course, heres the dyno

Basil Fawlty · 05-03-2012 09:24PM

1: Its an article from the Independent with no facts or meaningful quotes.

2: How many of the people on here complaining to each other took two minutes to email
their local TD and voice their opinions.

05-03-2012 09:26PM

RandomAccess wrote: »

Co2 based of course, heres the dyno

HAHA

Our man in Havana · 05-03-2012 09:31PM

The Government believes too many cars are falling into lower tax bands, based on carbon emissions, which were introduced by the previous administration.

Justice at last.

MaxPower131 · 05-03-2012 09:31PM

ciarancapri wrote: »

1: Its an article from the Independent with no facts or meaningful quotes.

2: How many of the people on here complaining to each other took two minutes to email
their local TD and voice their opinions.

It strikes me as a bit of kite flying as usually happens in these situations. Someone in government leaks the story to the Indo and then they gauge the response. If there is outrage they pull back........can't see any any pensioner type outrage on this one.

05-03-2012 09:52PM

ciarancapri wrote: »

1: Its an article from the Independent with no facts or meaningful quotes.

True

2: How many of the people on here complaining to each other took two minutes to email
their local TD and voice their opinions.

I've been on to my local T.D over a few issues, one over the condition of a local road and the safety concerns especially for school children crossing a particular road with 0 lights or crossing.

Waste of time, because in Ireland if you complain you are classed as a winger and moaner with nothing better to do, while everyone else turns a blind eye living in cuckoo land, you will never get the numbers behind you, and it's numbers that count, but Irish people are a nation of moaners but won't do anything about it.

I have conversations with people about stuff that needs sorting in my local area and they are all for it, that is of course until I ask them to help or do something, then it's dum de doo, la la look at the sky, oh is that the time ? must dash!

But if the Government decide to close the GAA clubs, or pubs, or bookies then the numbers will turn out, if the E.U say no more cheques to the farmers then every tractor in Ireland will block the roads.

I'm not talking riots, obviously that won't solve anything, but numbers is what we need in the hundreds of thousands to march, bring Dublin to a standstill and demand Edna Kenny address the people who elected him.

This Island will always be utterly corrupt and rotten to the core!

heate · 05-03-2012 10:03PM

Awaiting the breathing tax. 50000 free a week and then €1.23 for evey 5000 over that.

Big Nasty · 05-03-2012 10:09PM

I've a fcukin' pain in me moobs with this sh1te at this stage!

We're (myself and Mrs MCM) down about €1k a month expendable between Dec 10 and Jan 12. That's fcukin' €12k per year!!! In better times we always had the guts of €5k in our current account now it's overdrawn by €3k and both credit cards are constantly maxed, another €6k. We enjoy our comforts but are not that extravagant and have changed our ways a lot the last few years since the good times.

Petrol now is cq. €1.62 / liter and we spend maybe €500 on fuel a month between us. Our motor tax comes to €2240 a year. That's €8240 a year before you consider tyres, servicing, repairs, etc.

I understand the country is fcuked and the exchequer needs more moola but how about this for a fcukin' novel idea: LOWER the motor tax rates; LOWER the tax on fuel; LOWER the VAT rate and maybe then I would have some more fcukin' money to spend in the economy and keep people in jobs and NOT have them be a burden on society?

I know there's plenty of people worse off than we are but I'm sick to death of being screwed to the wall by taxes. You can't tax your way out of a recession!

CLINTS! :mad::mad::mad:

bbam · 05-03-2012 10:30PM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I've a fcukin' pain in me moobs with this sh1te at this stage!

We're (myself and Mrs MCM) down about €1k a month expendable between Dec 10 and Jan 12. That's fcukin' €12k per year!!! In better times we always had the guts of €5k in our current account now it's overdrawn by €3k and both credit cards are constantly maxed, another €6k. We enjoy our comforts but are not that extravagant and have changed our ways a lot the last few years since the good times.

Petrol now is cq. €1.62 / liter and we spend maybe €500 on fuel a month between us. Our motor tax comes to €2240 a year. That's €8240 a year before you consider tyres, servicing, repairs, etc.

I understand the country is fcuked and the exchequer needs more moola but how about this for a fcukin' novel idea: LOWER the motor tax rates; LOWER the tax on fuel; LOWER the VAT rate and maybe then I would have some more fcukin' money to spend in the economy and keep people in jobs and NOT have them be a burden on society?

I know there's plenty of people worse off than we are but I'm sick to death of being screwed to the wall by taxes. You can't tax your way out of a recession!

CLINTS! :mad::mad::mad:

Bloody well said...
Money that was going to the government via the economy was creating jobs and activity, good for society as a whole and still ending up with the government through vat, additional paye through extra jobs etc.. Lower social welfare bills..

Now this money is being taxed directly into the government coffers.. Much less being spent in the real economy, jobs are lost, companies go to the wall and the money that went directly to the government has to be used to support those who have lost their jobs...

I mean it's not rocket science?? If I have no money left I can't spend it in the shops, so the shops close !!

AND
Would the drop off in motor tax revenue not be largely due to less economic activity... Fewer cars as less people going to work... damn sight less vans and trucks going the road... I can think of 4 quarries round me and I'd say each has axed 25-30 trucks in the last three years...

We're taxing ourselves into a depression (economic and mentally).. It's stupid !

S28382 · 05-03-2012 10:39PM

The country is being run by dopey motherf**kers, there will be no one left in this country by time they are finished with all their taxes......it doesnt affect politicians one bit and they dont care as long as they get all of their own expenses, Irish people have got to stand up sometime and let them know that we wont and cant take no more as there is too many people who are on the brink and just cant afford anymore hikes....its a disgrace our so called leaders are a disgrace our country is ruined because of gob****es.

05-03-2012 10:41PM

bbam wrote: »

..........

AND
Would the drop off in motor tax revenue not be largely due to less economic activity... Fewer cars as less people going to work... damn sight less vans and trucks going the road... I can think of 4 quarries round me and I'd say each has axed 25-30 trucks in the last three years...........

In fairness I'd say it's largely due to the emissions based system.

creedp · 05-03-2012 10:43PM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

You picked me up wrong, my point was in relation to the constant demonising by the government and media of anything over 2 litres, regardless of how old it is and how few miles the driver may do.

I completely agree the C02 rates need to be rocketed to the moon to come in line with the older CC system. And I completely agree that running a CC based system, and then a C02 based system side by side is a lot of shíte. Mainly due to the fact that the C02 based system never had anything to do with the environment. The system should be changed to either:

Tax on fuel.
Flat tax rate for everyone

I've been reprimanded for mis quoting people already today so I'm simply on a roll:) I agree that using the 2L cut off to crucify car owners in tax is madness in that a 2.2L or above car may be just as efficient as a 2L or below. However, I suppose the purpose of this is not to reflect the efficiency of cars but simply to raise more taxes. Nothing about car tax taxes has anything to do with efficiency despite what those Green gobsh1tes spouted on about in the last Govt. I still think there is some basis for increasing tax levels on bigger cars but the differentials should be a lot lower, e.g. €300 per anum below 2L, €400 pa above between 2L and 3L and €500 above 3L. I don't think there would be too much arguments against those kind of increments, whatever about the rates themselves. Alternatively have equivalent rates based on category of car, small, family, executive. Forget the Co2 based rubbish because that's all it is and apply same rates to all cars irrespective of year of registration and fuel source. The efficiency issue is then dealt with using fuel taxes in that the more inefficient your car or the more you drive the more you pay in fuel taxes. Seems much fairer to me given that car owners will have no option to pay taxes and the current system is completely off the rails.

CharlieR · 05-03-2012 10:48PM

The Prius is the most un green car in the country but is taxed low, ships to canada and brazil from japan and back with nickel and cadmium and then the cars to europe and none of these figures are included in the emmisions figs like some othe rmanufacturers do and create carbon offset programmes.

The greens screwed us all over.

05-03-2012 10:54PM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I've I would have some more fcukin' money to spend in the economy and keep people in jobs and NOT have them be a burden on society?

The unemployed are not a burden on society. They are victims of a failed system. They would not be non the dole if given the choice.

You made some good points and I'm assuming you didn't mean that in a bad way!

The biggest burden on society are politicians and bankers, and property developers, solicitors and barristers and the god damn farmers who are the ones who benefited the most from land sales and road building during the boom. What they charged for land was downright immoral and they will still receive,cheques from the E.U !!! Greedy bastards the whole lot of them.

creedp · 05-03-2012 11:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

the god damn farmers who are the ones who benefited the most from land sales and road building during the boom. What they charged for land was downright immoral and they will still receive,cheques from the E.U !!! Greedy bastards the whole lot of them.

Its even worse than that because it seems there is a boom in farm land prices at moment as farmers who sold development land for crazy money are now buying it back again for farm land money. Nearly as good as investing in Facebook!! I think they are mad to buy it back because new EU rules to come in shortly which will base their cheques on farm sizes rather than no. of livestock ... salt in the wounds:)

woodoo · 06-03-2012 12:12AM

They better not put tax for pre-08 cars up one more cent. A perfectly reasonable 1.9 diesel family car costs €660 to tax. Utter madness.

Sonnenblumen · 06-03-2012 12:23AM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I've a fcukin' pain in me moobs with this sh1te at this stage!

We're (myself and Mrs MCM) down about €1k a month expendable between Dec 10 and Jan 12. That's fcukin' €12k per year!!! In better times we always had the guts of €5k in our current account now it's overdrawn by €3k and both credit cards are constantly maxed, another €6k. We enjoy our comforts but are not that extravagant and have changed our ways a lot the last few years since the good times.

Petrol now is cq. €1.62 / liter and we spend maybe €500 on fuel a month between us. Our motor tax comes to €2240 a year. That's €8240 a year before you consider tyres, servicing, repairs, etc.

I understand the country is fcuked and the exchequer needs more moola but how about this for a fcukin' novel idea: LOWER the motor tax rates; LOWER the tax on fuel; LOWER the VAT rate and maybe then I would have some more fcukin' money to spend in the economy and keep people in jobs and NOT have them be a burden on society?

I know there's plenty of people worse off than we are but I'm sick to death of being screwed to the wall by taxes. You can't tax your way out of a recession!

CLINTS! :mad::mad::mad:

What does the Gov need to do, to get car owners like you to change and motor within more reasonable means?

Voodoomelon · 06-03-2012 12:27AM

I drive the same car as himself. They have large engines, but are worth frig all (about €5000). Are you suggesting we go out and waste €20,000 on a new car, to loose €3000 a year in depreciation to avail of lower tax rates?

Jimbob 83 · 06-03-2012 01:00AM

It's stupid since i started driving in 2007 motor tax on my 1.4 has gone up 50%, when does this **** end

puppetmaster · 06-03-2012 01:16AM

LIGHTNING wrote: »

How are the unemployed not a burden? If you ask me the dole should have a year cut off period. Far too many people sitting on it for a indefinite amount of time.

I'd agree with that to a point alright, there was circa 178,000 people on the dole in 2007, when we needed about 30k ppl a year to fill the jobs we had on offer. Every one of the dole 'lifers' should be examined and removed onto a food stamp system of sorts. But as for the other 250k people. They are mostly people who don't want to be on it of course there are exceptions. The whole system needs to be changed, rather than paying people who once employed 20 people nothing for their dole/allowance, but hiking up all working peoples taxes to pay for the lazy arsed who couldn't be bothered. I saw the rates paid out for rent allowance recently and nearly got sick tbh.

On another note, shouldn't the 20 odd cent that they put on fuel per litre go to compensate the losses from the amount of take on motor tax..

yourpics · 06-03-2012 02:12AM

Why is motor tax for taxis only €88 regardless of the type of car and in spite of the fact that they never leave the road?? Total scandal.

I see motor tax and diesel hikes don't bother Minister for Arrogance Leo Veruka, he has changed his Golf for a 2011 Superb since being elected.

vetstu · 06-03-2012 07:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What they charged for land was downright immoral and they will still receive,cheques from the E.U !!! Greedy bastards the whole lot of them.

What a stupid post.
For roads you got a cpo and the council valued your land, you didn't name your price.
And most land sales are auctions so the buyers decided the price of land, and they were tripping over themselves to pay more than everyone else.

Slig · 06-03-2012 07:20AM

The reality is that cars are viewed as luxury items by those in power which in reality is just not the case. For everyone living outside the major cities (and many living in them) a car is a necessity. The public transport system in the country is either too unreliable, to expensive or more often than not, non-existent.

This new tax hike will hit alot of people that can't afford it and will inevitably put cars off the road or mean more people will drive without tax. If this offsets the expected increase what will they do next? Increase tolls? Raise tax on fuel? Raise her rates?

Gophur · 06-03-2012 08:37AM

CharlieR wrote: »

.......

The greens screwed us all over.

I assume you mean The Green Party? They were not responsible for the CO2 based taxation, it was a Fianna Fail initiative.

As to why buyers of low emissions cars should be continuously rewarded? I think they benefit when they purchase the car and benefit from lower fuel costs, due to lower consumption, there's no reason for them to benefit from lower annual motor taxes also.

We have 29 different tax bands. We don't need anything that complicated, except to keep some civil servants busy.

Sonnenblumen · 06-03-2012 08:47AM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

I drive the same car as himself. They have large engines, but are worth frig all (about €5000). Are you suggesting we go out and waste €20,000 on a new car, to loose €3000 a year in depreciation to avail of lower tax rates?

So you don't like depreciation associated with buying new cars (but forget to mention the many other benefits) and you also appear not to like the increased taxes/costs for drivers of old cars with very large and energy inefficient engines which are also causing much more pollution than their modern equivalents.

I suggest you make your choices and learn to cope with the consequences?

Gophur · 06-03-2012 09:02AM

If you take a 2007 registered BMW 320d, the annual motor tax is now €660 (outrageous)
a 2008 version of the same car is now €200 (ish)

That €440 difference would finance a loan of €4,000.

Therefore the 2007 car should be worth €4,000, PLUS the normal year's depreciation, less than a 2008 car, something in the order of €7,000 difference between the car's values.

Now, apply this to something like an Avensis or Mondeo and you will see how the tax system has completely f'cked up the market.

Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

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