Polish welfare cheats "conspired against the Irish"

Gigiwagga · 02-03-2012 12:37AM

I'll get flamed for this but anyway...because this country is bankrupt and must borrow money from external sources to pay our day to day expenses why does the country continue to pay social welfare to people from other countries? This doesn't make sense to me. If it's because we're all european? well then let all Europe pay for this, not just us, we have enough of our own scroungers bleeding us dry without this extra weight. Send home all non Irish longterm unemployed. Does this make me racist? Well sorry, nothing against any nationality but we're f****d and we can't afford this anymore.

cloptrop · 02-03-2012 12:42AM

Gigiwagga wrote: »

I'll get flamed for this but anyway...because this country is bankrupt and must borrow money from external sources to pay our day to day expenses why does the country continue to pay social welfare to people from other countries? This doesn't make sense to me. If it's because we're all european? well then let all Europe pay for this, not just us, we have enough of our own scroungers bleeding us dry without this extra weight. Send home all non Irish longterm unemployed. Does this make me racist? Well sorry, nothing against any nationality but we're f****d and we can't afford this anymore.

Excellent point dude , I think all countries should commit to the social welfare fund, maybe it could be based on their GDP but itd spread the cost and probably stop the whole go back to your own country racism .
Probably the best point I ever seen here for actually problem solving.

xyl.az · 03-03-2012 12:30PM

Polish welfare cheats eh?

nice title...

How about certain irish communities who are living off this system for several decades now?

Knocknaheeny in Cork, Mayfield, Glen... we're talking about thousands of people in every major city in Ireland. I know whole generations who are practically funded by welfare for their entire life (grandfathers, fathers, sons etc.) I know people who doesn't know what job means because they have never needed one. Welfare gives them all they need.

How about that?

cloptrop · 03-03-2012 12:33PM

xyl.az wrote: »

Polish welfare cheats eh?

nice title...

How about certain irish communities who are living off this system for several decades now?

Knocknaheeny in Cork, Mayfield, Glen... we're talking about thousands of people in every major city in Ireland. I know whole generations who are practically funded by welfare for their entire life (grandfathers, fathers, sons etc.) I know people who doesn't know what job means because they have never needed one. Welfare gives them all they need.

How about that?

These people are very good at stretching their money . This is all I have to say on the subject . Applaud them I say .

mikemac1 · 03-03-2012 12:36PM

xyl.az wrote: »

Polish welfare cheats eh?

How about certain irish communities

How does that excuse what the Poles in the article did?

We have lots of threads here about Irish people on welfare
And you are free to start one too

Liam Byrne · 03-03-2012 12:42PM

Marcin_diy wrote: »

we took yerr jobs
we took yerr benefits
we took yerr cars
we fraude yerr social welfare
we took yerr hospital beds and trolleys
we took yerr schools places
we helped yerr road accidents numbers to grow

but.....

u toook ur women

1:1

How is it 1:1 if they took their own women ?

irishgeo · 03-03-2012 01:00PM

If you're caught defrauding the social welfare then it's simple your not entitled to any more handouts till the money is paid back. And your doing community service until it is.

All the people who don't pay fines should have it deducted from their wages or social welfare as well.

xyl.az · 03-03-2012 01:01PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

How does that excuse what the Poles in the article did?

We have lots of threads here about Irish people on welfare
And you are free to start one too

True that,

It doesn't, obviously... I just find a bit hypocritical... thats all

I still think that the easiest solution would be just to cut all welfare payments by 80%. Not just for immigrants but for everyone living in the state. Fair, easy and effective.

irishgeo · 03-03-2012 01:04PM

Gigiwagga wrote: »

I'll get flamed for this but anyway...because this country is bankrupt and must borrow money from external sources to pay our day to day expenses why does the country continue to pay social welfare to people from other countries? This doesn't make sense to me. If it's because we're all european? well then let all Europe pay for this, not just us, we have enough of our own scroungers bleeding us dry without this extra weight. Send home all non Irish longterm unemployed. Does this make me racist? Well sorry, nothing against any nationality but we're f****d and we can't afford this anymore.

Europe is paying for it. You don't honestly think Joan Burton is cleaning up social welfare payments because she felt it needed doing. The trokia have said it needs to be done.

Gigiwagga · 03-03-2012 09:38PM

Europe isn't paying for it, we are, and we will. Money we borrow from the IMF or ECB we must repay. We are borrowing money to pay social welfare to people from other countries, many of whom come here for this reason alone. Irish social welfare is considerably better than basic wages in many countries and many times greater with all the 'add ons'

Ireland is in "Lifeboat" mode and the life boat is waaay above capacity. To save the country we must send home those non national long term unemployed now. Then deal with our own scroungers.

Nodin · 03-03-2012 10:51PM

Gigiwagga wrote: »

Europe isn't paying for it, we are, and we will. Money we borrow from the IMF or ECB we must repay. We are borrowing money to pay social welfare to people from other countries, many of whom come here for this reason alone. Irish social welfare is considerably better than basic wages in many countries and many times greater with all the 'add ons' .

......how many fucking times does it have to be pointed out that you can't just arrive and claim?

You realise that the cost of living here is far higher than these other countries?

Gigiwagga · 04-03-2012 03:20AM

Plenty do, arrive and claim, and leave and still claim through others, refer to OP. Happening all over the country. The system is there to be milked and that is what is happening, milked and milked. If you think otherwise...well, poor you.

Gigiwagga · 04-03-2012 03:23AM

The cost of living is not higher here if your rent, medical bills, heating some food bills etc etc are looked after by this country. The dole is just the cherry on top!!

ReVoP · 04-03-2012 03:59AM

Do foreign folk get sent back home after serving time?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-03-2012 04:00AM

Do you know if your a self employed member of the middle class in this country your entitled to nothing. If your business folds that's it you go hungry like in the States. Its obviously a hard thing for any enterprising go getter to take, but get guess what we get back out there and try again.

How could any self respecting able bodied person sit on the dole for years? They're killing this country and its a ****ING DISGRACE..

EarlERizer · 04-03-2012 04:10AM

ReVoP wrote: »

Do foreign folk get sent back home after serving time?

Not sure,but wouldn't it be more cost effective to just 'send them home' once found guilty of any wrongdoing? why exhaust the coffers by keeping them housed & fed in one of our overcrowded understaffed prisons? Why not allocate those places to those of our own that are found guilty of crime instead of wagging a finger and tellng them we'll let you off this time but not to let it happen again!

Spread · 04-03-2012 04:33AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Do you know if your a self employed member of the middle class in this country your entitled to nothing. If your business folds that's it you go hungry like in the States. Its obviously a hard thing for any enterprising go getter to take, but get guess what we get back out there and try again.

How could any self respecting able bodied person sit on the dole for years? They're killing this country and its a ****ING DISGRACE..

AFAIK there is a Welfare net. If you're savings are exhausted you get Social Security. Otherwise the rise in robberies (to buy food) would be off the scale.

Nodin · 04-03-2012 02:46PM

Gigiwagga wrote: »

Plenty do, arrive and claim, and leave and still claim through others, refer to OP. Happening all over the country. The system is there to be milked and that is what is happening, milked and milked. If you think otherwise...well, poor you.

You can't just arrive and claim. Theres a residency condition.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/social_assistance_payments/residency_requirements_for_social_assistance_in_ireland.html

What "food bills" are paid for by the dole?

mikemac1 · 04-03-2012 02:57PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Do you know if your a self employed member of the middle class in this country your entitled to nothing.

Maybe you don't pay enough PRSI

Can you ask to pay additional contributions to cover yourself?

Scruffles · 04-03-2012 03:16PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

How could any self respecting able bodied person sit on the dole for years? They're killing this country and its a ****ING DISGRACE..

probably because they lose their self respect and motivation after being on it for so long with no routine in their day.

AFAIK there is a Welfare net. If you're savings are exhausted you get Social Security. Otherwise the rise in robberies (to buy food) would be off the scale.

doubt it,it woudnt be off the scale at all,a quick search shows there are food banks in ireland but they dont seem to directly deal with the public,guess the first place to start then woud be the citizens advice beurough.
ireland needs food banks which directly deal with the public like over here, that woud help a lot.

V_Moth · 04-03-2012 06:16PM

Wow. This thread drew in the racists/xenophobes quicker than flies to a turd.

dubbie82 · 04-03-2012 06:35PM

Crime doesn't know nationality. If you are a cheating, lazy criminal you are a lazy, cheating criminal and I don't really care if you are polish, irish or from timbuktu.

Unfortunately welfare cheat seems to be still regarded as a petty crime or a matter of "oh sure he didn't mean to cheat". Fair play to the judge, she doesn't seem to take that nonsense.

The irish welfare system is open to abuse and has plenty of loopholes like any welfare system, ours is just a bit more generous and you don't need a particular high IQ to figure it out.

Monty Burnz · 04-03-2012 06:43PM

With regard to Polish people in general: I've met and know perhaps 5. And I liked them all - nice people, good people.

A few Polish people are crooks - well knock me down with a feather. :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz · 04-03-2012 06:52PM

Gigiwagga wrote: »

I'll get flamed for this but anyway...because this country is bankrupt and must borrow money from external sources to pay our day to day expenses why does the country continue to pay social welfare to people from other countries? This doesn't make sense to me. If it's because we're all european? well then let all Europe pay for this, not just us, we have enough of our own scroungers bleeding us dry without this extra weight. Send home all non Irish longterm unemployed. Does this make me racist? Well sorry, nothing against any nationality but we're f****d and we can't afford this anymore.

Prepare to welcome home the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Irish people claiming welfare in the UK :rolleyes: Nice move.

Monty Burnz · 04-03-2012 06:53PM

cloptrop wrote: »

These people are very good at stretching their money . This is all I have to say on the subject . Applaud them I say .

Good at stretching whose money?

cloptrop · 04-03-2012 08:48PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Do you know if your a self employed member of the middle class in this country your entitled to nothing. If your business folds that's it you go hungry like in the States. Its obviously a hard thing for any enterprising go getter to take, but get guess what we get back out there and try again.

How could any self respecting able bodied person sit on the dole for years? They're killing this country and its a ****ING DISGRACE..

They arnt really killing the country , maybe giving it a slight rash.

Nodin wrote: »

You can't just arrive and claim. Theres a residency condition.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/social_assistance_payments/residency_requirements_for_social_assistance_in_ireland.html

What "food bills" are paid for by the dole?

How many times do you have to be told they get same money but with a digfferent name nobody is sent to the street to starve

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Good at stretching whose money?

Their money although they shouldnt be they are entitled to it. Its theirs.

Nodin · 04-03-2012 09:09PM

cloptrop wrote: »

How many times do you have to be told they get same money but with a digfferent name nobody is sent to the street to starve

.

Really? What "different name" is it referred to?

Lawrence1895 · 04-03-2012 09:48PM

In 2005, I was working for a home carer agency. For some reason, I didn't get paid twice in a row, then they sent me a cheque, which bounced back.
The rent was due to be paid, so I went to the dole office.
The officer just refused my claim within 2 minutes talking to him, because I didn't fulfill the residential condition (I came to Ireland in 2004). No payment at all, he was just telling me, I should ask the bank for a credit or maybe my neighbors.

So 'knocking at your neighbor's door' is a payment with a 'different name'?

cloptrop · 04-03-2012 10:52PM

Lars1916 wrote: »

In 2005, I was working for a home carer agency. For some reason, I didn't get paid twice in a row, then they sent me a cheque, which bounced back.
The rent was due to be paid, so I went to the dole office.
The officer just refused my claim within 2 minutes talking to him, because I didn't fulfill the residential condition (I came to Ireland in 2004). No payment at all, he was just telling me, I should ask the bank for a credit or maybe my neighbors.

So 'knocking at your neighbor's door' is a payment with a 'different name'?

You had money coming in Lars it was just going to take a while.

homerjay2005 · 04-03-2012 10:54PM

they learned well from the 1000s of irish people doing the same thing. theres dozens of people convicted every day of fraud, but its only the foreigners that seem to headlines..

Polish welfare cheats "conspired against the Irish"

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