Youths Rugby

ormond lad · 21-02-2012 10:54pm

Stanza2 wrote: »

So who should the young Exiles play for then? The schools are bursting with players and would be even stronger with some of the top Exiles, as you say we don't have the biggest pool of players? So should Irish club players who get offered places in Irish schools not be allowed to take up that place?

IMO you are wrong, these boys come because they want to play for Ireland. Surely the aim is to develop the best Irish qualified players, wherever they come from? If you had your way, you would be denying Exiles of places as the schools has more boys to choose from and you would be making the youths team weaker by keeping them out of it. Does not make sense to me!

You are way, way to sceptical about these young lads going to play for England.

Im not being too skeptical about them going to play for england but the facts are that many of these exiles are in some of the top english schools

And if you actually look at the last IRFU annual report that is available between the 4 provinces there is only a few hundred kids in the difference between kids registered to play in the top schools and in the youths system

Its my opinion that those exiles that are in the top english rugby playing schools, and there has been a few, the past few years should be playing on the irish schools team as they are "schools" players

I want them to play for Ireland if that is their wish but those that are in the top rugby playing schools in england should play for the irish schools not the youths.

profitius · 21-02-2012 11:06pm

Good article from Ward there. Late developers are at a mighty disadvantage so players should be screened at a later age. The Irish system is better than the English system in that regard because in England they bring them into academies younger so its more of a guessing game as to who will turn out to be good players.

That also leads us to the exiles. One of the posters said the exiles lads are more developed and its because of that reason. It doesn't make them better players in the long run and could be blocking potentially better Irish players that have not developed yet. So not only do England take the best players for themselves but the exiles could also be blocking better Irish players.

clubrug · 21-02-2012 11:09pm

Reading Tony Wards article there, "I am astonished at the emphasis placed on size over skill by many of those doing the screening".

This really stands out for me. Every development officer have done this, everyone is saying, oh he is too small, won't be able to progress, so they put the bigger lad through to the division or provincial, national team, yet that lad would no way touch the talent of the smaller one. We see it, however it is accepted throughout.

If a lad does not make his divisional team (south or east munster for example) at the age of 16, he might as well stop trying. Those that do make that divisional team yet does not move on to the provincial team future chances are seriously reduced.

ormond lad · 21-02-2012 11:22pm

clubrug wrote: »

Reading Tony Wards article there, "I am astonished at the emphasis placed on size over skill by many of those doing the screening".

This really stands out for me. Every development officer have done this, everyone is saying, oh he is too small, won't be able to progress, so they put the bigger lad through to the division or provincial, national team, yet that lad would no way touch the talent of the smaller one. We see it, however it is accepted throughout.

If a lad does not make his divisional team (south or east munster for example) at the age of 16, he might as well stop trying. Those that do make that divisional team yet does not move on to the provincial team future chances are seriously reduced.

The size issue is a problem but not always and the size issue isnt as bad s it was 4-5 years ago when i was in the development system. Oisin O Meara from kilfeacle played munster youths this season and nearly wasnt picked for both east munster and munster youths as coaches thought he was way too small to play 7 but after watching him play and seeing how technically good he is, they kept him on.
Just because you dont make your regional side at 16 doesnt mean your chances to make it into the elite pathway, the pan munster 17s and especially 19s gives players chances to impress provincial coaches the sme for those players who make the regional squads but not provincial. Tom Kiersey from waterpark is a case in point, he was dropped off the east munster 17s team after 1 round of the regional series the year he was u17 and didnt play in the other games and only got a shot at munster youths because of waterparks run to the all ireland title and his role in the run to that title

Stanza2 · 22-02-2012 12:19am

Can't get over your attitude on the Exiles, you say that the irish schools don't want them and say that you guy's don't want them in the irish youths team as they are holding back young club players ! that's a great way of welcoming potential future Irish players. Welcome home lads. not.

Lets just play with young munster lads eh! Get those young lads with the Irish names and English accents back on the boat.

ormond lad · 22-02-2012 12:31am

Stanza2 wrote: »

Can't get over your attitude on the Exiles, you say that the irish schools don't want them and say that you guy's don't want them in the irish youths team as they are holding back young club players ! that's a great way of welcoming potential future Irish players. Welcome home lads. not.

Lets just play with young munster lads eh! Get those young lads with the Irish names and English accents back on the boat.

My biggest problem with the exiles is that quite a few have went on after playing for the youths straight into english 20s squads and further, for example shane geraghty and there has been others

Plenty of the exiles have been in fee paying rugby playing schools like stoneyhurst college, etc therefore if they want to play for ireland(which i do want) they should look to play for the irish schools team.

Amazotheamazing · 22-02-2012 1:11am

Stanza2 wrote: »

You are way, way to sceptical about these young lads going to play for England.

Shane Geraghty, Keiran Brookes, Paul Doran-Jones. All capped by England now.

ormond lad · 22-02-2012 2:55am

East 17s/19s cup draws up on munster rugby
East u19 Cup
1/4s
1. Dungarvan - Waterford City v Kilfeacle and District
2. Cashel - Thurles v Clonmel
3. Waterpark bye
4. Nenagh v Clanwilliam
Semi-Final
1 v 2
3 v 4

East u17 Cup
Round 1
1. Cashel v Clanwilliam
2. Thurles v Clonmel
3. Waterpark v Dungarvan
4. Fethard v Nenagh
5. Galbally bye
6. Kilfeacle bye
7. Waterford City bye
8. Carrick on Suir bye
1/4s
A. 1 v 2
B. 3 v 4
C. 5 v 6
D. 7 v 8
Semis
A v B
C v D

League final wont be repeated in cup final at either age group with it likely to happen in semis at 19s and it will happen in 1st round at 17s

1st round games due to be played this weekend

clubrug · 22-02-2012 1:58pm

ormond lad wrote: »

The size issue is a problem but not always and the size issue isnt as bad s it was 4-5 years ago when i was in the development system. Oisin O Meara from kilfeacle played munster youths this season and nearly wasnt picked for both east munster and munster youths as coaches thought he was way too small to play 7 but after watching him play and seeing how technically good he is, they kept him on.
Just because you dont make your regional side at 16 doesnt mean your chances to make it into the elite pathway, the pan munster 17s and especially 19s gives players chances to impress provincial coaches the sme for those players who make the regional squads but not provincial. Tom Kiersey from waterpark is a case in point, he was dropped off the east munster 17s team after 1 round of the regional series the year he was u17 and didnt play in the other games and only got a shot at munster youths because of waterparks run to the all ireland title and his role in the run to that title

Remembering seeing that O' Meara lad from Kilfeacle at an u12 blitz years ago and he really caught the eye and every time I have seen him since he has been I believe probably the best all round player, around the east anyway at his age group, does serious work for Kilfeacle and is super consistent. Saw him play for munster youths against Ulster in Thomand and he was exceptional, by far the best player on the pitch, everyone was talking about him that day and heard he had a great series. No doubt he is small, but don't believe Tony Ward would discard him, he probably be too small for a back too, the way they are growing but from what I have seen, this lad has no respect for size and is a tough boy that works very hard for his team.
Had lads from our club playing east rugby with Kiersey (not too big either), he was class, and from I remember that was pre development officers and there was a strong waterpark presence, can't believe he was dropped at the time. Again he is excellent, always was, maybe he wasn't bothered, heard he wasn't bothered with Irish youths at the time. Two excellent players you mentioned Ormond, think it would be daft not to see them developed until fully matured.

But a very small group of lads if not gone through regional or provincial squads will get an invite to train with squads, perhaps only seen at the real business end of competitions, so if you don't make it there, chances seriously lessened again. Heard a couple of lads impressing down south were included in munster 19s training squad, but two isn't a lot.

ormond lad · 22-02-2012 2:14pm

clubrug wrote: »

Remembering seeing that O' Meara lad from Kilfeacle at an u12 blitz years ago and he really caught the eye and every time I have seen him since he has been I believe probably the best all round player, around the east anyway at his age group, does serious work for Kilfeacle and is super consistent. Saw him play for munster youths against Ulster in Thomand and he was exceptional, by far the best player on the pitch, everyone was talking about him that day and heard he had a great series. No doubt he is small, but don't believe Tony Ward would discard him, he probably be too small for a back too, the way they are growing but from what I have seen, this lad has no respect for size and is a tough boy that works very hard for his team.
Had lads from our club playing east rugby with Kiersey (not too big either), he was class, and from I remember that was pre development officers and there was a strong waterpark presence, can't believe he was dropped at the time. Again he is excellent, always was, maybe he wasn't bothered, heard he wasn't bothered with Irish youths at the time. Two excellent players you mentioned Ormond, think it would be daft not to see them developed until fully matured.

But a very small group of lads if not gone through regional or provincial squads will get an invite to train with squads, perhaps only seen at the real business end of competitions, so if you don't make it there, chances seriously lessened again. Heard a couple of lads impressing down south were included in munster 19s training squad, but two isn't a lot.

O Meara is 1 of the best tacklers and plyers at the breakdown ive ever seen play rugby, gives perfect balance to your backrow if you have 2 decent big ball carriers and lineout jumpers etc at 6 and 8
Remember going to a game he played against Nenagh about 2 years ago and i can remember watching him do a job on the outhalf for nenagh who if given any space at all would have been the difference between the sides but he wasnt let as o meara just chopped him down and literally sat on him at every breakdown
I wouldnt call him the best all round player at his age group, but he is one of the top players. Theres 1 or 2 in 'park who id rate higher overall esp Jack o Don
I was involved with east in the pre development officers and waterpark and the southern half and the very north of the east region always to me seemed to have the greater representation in the coaching staff. For as long as i can remember the coaches/selectors/managers have mainly been from Nenagh, Thurles, Waterpark, Dungarvan and Carrick on Suir

clubrug · 22-02-2012 11:58pm

You got him, some boy to tackle, and loves the breakdown, plays with hunger. Jack O' D very very good player, super ball carrier and strong, needs others to do the dirty work for him to be at his best, they'd work well. Boys in Waterpark and surrounded by much better players then O' Meara would be, think they would love to have him, they have lacked a 7 at that age.
Helped the rest of the 19s team in the east having Waterpark out of the pan-munster, lads were going on too long without competitive games and struggled to even train, so will welcome the arrival of the cup competition.

ormond lad · 23-02-2012 12:02am

clubrug wrote: »

You got him, some boy to tackle, and loves the breakdown, plays with hunger. Jack O' D very very good player, super ball carrier and strong, needs others to do the dirty work for him to be at his best, they'd work well. Boys in Waterpark and surrounded by much better players then O' Meara would be, think they would love to have him, they have lacked a 7 at that age.
Helped the rest of the 19s team in the east having Waterpark out of the pan-munster, lads were going on too long without competitive games and struggled to even train, so will welcome the arrival of the cup competition.

Waterpark have a bye in 1st round of cup so everyone would have got at least 1 game in the wait for waterpark to finish their munster run.

ormond lad · 23-02-2012 12:46pm

2 remaining u19 1/4s are on this weekend. On Saturday Highfield playing host to Crosshaven in Woodleigh Park at 1.45pm
And on Sunday Garryowen have home advantage against Bruff in Dooradoyle at 12:30pm
Winners of Saturdays game will have home advantage against Shannon in 1 semi and the winner of Sundays game will be at home to Bandon in the other semi

If you are around saturday or sunday, drop into either game and you will get to see some of the best 17 and 18 year old rugby players in munster for free

muscleshirt · 23-02-2012 2:43pm

ormond lad wrote: »

2 remaining u19 1/4s are on this weekend. On Saturday Highfield playing host to Crosshaven in Woodleigh Park at 1.45pm
And on Sunday Garryowen have home advantage against Bruff in Dooradoyle at 12:30pm
Winners of Saturdays game will have home advantage against Shannon in 1 semi and the winner of Sundays game will be at home to Bandon in the other semi

If you are around saturday or sunday, drop into either game and you will get to see some of the best 17 and 18 year old rugby players in munster for free

agree,hope to go see the u19 garryowen/bruff game on sunday
i fancy garryowen not sure about the highfield/cross game could go either way..

Catalpa1 · 23-02-2012 6:49pm

Highfield 19s have played Crosshaven twice this year. 9-3 to Highfield and 6-3 Crosshaven were the outcomes, although the latter was at the beginning of the season.

skip64 · 24-02-2012 4:05pm

Parish Lad wrote: »

Tuesday February 21 2012

Tony Ward
Irish Independent

Putting players 'on report' a welcome advance by IRB

With the Six Nations enjoying its mid-tournament break -- there were to be the traditional two weeks gap but the French Rugby Federation put paid to that -- the Pro12 League took centre stage last weekend.

Far be it from me to knock the Celtic competition that keeps the professional game afloat, particularly when it attracts over 16,000 paying punters to the RDS on a February Friday night to watch two under-strength teams, but there is another show in town -- the Ulster Bank All-Ireland League.

Lest some of you forget, it used to be the gateway to professional rugby -- and if there is any semblance of sense at union level, it should be again.

As someone involved in underage coaching, the notion of screening and fast-tracking through provincial academies sticks in the craw. But sadly, such is now the way of the rugby world: identify players young, screen them and slot them instantly into fast-lane mode. I abhor the notion.

Perhaps I am a fossil from a bygone age, but I defy anyone to point out a flaw in the four-tier system of underage, club, provincial and international levels that has long served Irish rugby so well.

The rate of physical and emotional maturation varies dramatically. Just because a boy develops early, say at U-13 or U-14, it does not mean he will end up any better than a late developer.

I am astonished at the emphasis placed on size over skill by many of those doing the screening.

When our greatest ever player was at school in Blackrock -- contrary to popular myth -- he was very talented, but nothing exceptional. However, when Brian O'Driscoll left school and moved on to club rugby at UCD, that spark of magic began to emerge.

I accept that the game today is a different animal to what it once was, but I still find it sad that of the 16,000-odd supporting Leinster at the RDS on Friday night, I doubt if even one-tenth had been inside a club ground.

But the club game still has a very real role to play in Irish rugby.

Unfortunately, with the onset of professionalism, the club game -- globally -- got caught in limbo.

I fully appreciate the benefit of the Celtic League and the investment of the various sponsors, and it's great to see Leinster, Munster and Ulster flying high, but give me an AIL match any day.

And I fully support Fergus Slattery in his campaign to have the club game return to full amateur status. Here, as with elements of the GAA, the main issue surrounds policing the rules surrounding amateurism.

Meanwhile, with minimal fuss, the first straight race for All-Ireland honours since the play-off system came into play in 1998 is hotting up nicely.

With five series of games to go, it is effectively a three-club scramble between Clontarf, St Mary's and Young Munster.

Just two points separate the leading three and, intriguingly, they all have to play each other.

On March 24, Young Munster will welcome Clontarf to Greenfields, while on April 14 the cross-Dublin clash will take place at Castle Avenue.

And on the final day a week later, Young Munster will travel to play St Mary's at Templeville Road.

Recollections of 1993 come instantly to mind -- back then, because of the extraordinary demand, and in the interest of safety -- the IRFU shifted that final-day showdown from Templeville Road to Lansdowne Road.

While Munsters deservedly took the title and Ger Clohessy lifted the trophy, Mary's could justifiably feel aggrieved given that they had to surrender home advantage.

Should it come down to a case of '93 revisited this year, I wouldn't bet against another contentious final-day venue battle arising, even in these lean times.

The trophy's destination may well have been decided at that stage, but 19 years on the parallels are almost freakish.

Munsters won that final match of the 1993 campaign 17-14 by way of a late Aidan O'Halloran penalty, but not before Brent Pope floored Francis Brosnihan to earn red, with Brosie ending up in hospital, and Ger Earls (father of Keith) electrifying Lansdowne Road and the incredible 17,000 present with a scintillating 60-yard opportunist try. It was a score worthy of tipping such a tense and dramatic finale.

Keith Earls, set to be named again in the Ireland side later today, certainly didn't lick it off a stone.

putting players 'on report' a welcome advance by irb

With the Super 15 set to kick off and the first 'Rugby Championship' (Tri-Nations plus Argentina) to follow, southern hemisphere referees have been given the power to put players 'on report' for any suspected act of dangerous or foul play.

It is a system borrowed and adapted from rugby league, aimed at making the match official's job less complex and achieving a greater level of consistency for any subsequent judicial hearing.

It will place a player (suspected of foul play) on report for post-match analysis where some element of doubt exists at the time.

The player placed 'on report' will then face a judicial hearing that will determine whether foul play occurred and the level involved. The International Rugby Board will monitor its progress.

It is a welcome addition at a time when the game is becoming increasingly more difficult for match officials to handle.

No sporting code should ever draw back from bringing in ideas of any other code for the betterment of its own.

For this initiative, certain to be adapted full-time and hopefully universally, the IRB is to be commended.

Great read on Tony Ward - i was at the 93 final...and i was neither a Young Munster or St Marys supporter. I just loved following the game back then. I to have a young lad on the Irish Youths that travelled to Italy last week. great weekend had by all. pity about the missed tries... but such is life... as for schools v clubs... wont even comment as it does not deserve such discussion. you all have a nice weekend. and remeber "to the Brave and faithful nothing is impossible"... :-)

skip64 · 24-02-2012 4:25pm

ormond lad wrote: »

O Meara is 1 of the best tacklers and plyers at the breakdown ive ever seen play rugby, gives perfect balance to your backrow if you have 2 decent big ball carriers and lineout jumpers etc at 6 and 8
Remember going to a game he played against Nenagh about 2 years ago and i can remember watching him do a job on the outhalf for nenagh who if given any space at all would have been the difference between the sides but he wasnt let as o meara just chopped him down and literally sat on him at every breakdown
I wouldnt call him the best all round player at his age group, but he is one of the top players. Theres 1 or 2 in 'park who id rate higher overall esp Jack o Don
I was involved with east in the pre development officers and waterpark and the southern half and the very north of the east region always to me seemed to have the greater representation in the coaching staff. For as long as i can remember the coaches/selectors/managers have mainly been from Nenagh, Thurles, Waterpark, Dungarvan and Carrick on Suir

Can i give my comments on O'Meara... i travelled to Italy last week.. and beleive me the #7 was no bigger that O'Meara.. and to be honest O'Meara would have loved that game. A bit suprised to about the last line on coaches. I am a GAA man out and out... and dont think my son made the cut because of a coach from our club (which there are noe). he worked as hard...and probally more that the more noted club players to make the cut for Irsh Youths...

ormond lad · 24-02-2012 5:38pm

skip64 wrote: »

Can i give my comments on O'Meara... i travelled to Italy last week.. and beleive me the #7 was no bigger that O'Meara.. and to be honest O'Meara would have loved that game. A bit suprised to about the last line on coaches. I am a GAA man out and out... and dont think my son made the cut because of a coach from our club (which there are noe). he worked as hard...and probally more that the more noted club players to make the cut for Irsh Youths...

Any underage representative team is rife with political picks and as more of the coaches/selectors of east munster 17s have been from the southern half of east munster than the northern half and the clubs that coaches are from will nearly always have a few players in a squad

skip64 · 25-02-2012 1:27am

ormond lad wrote: »

skip64 wrote: »

Can i give my comments on O'Meara... i travelled to Italy last week.. and beleive me the #7 was no bigger that O'Meara.. and to be honest O'Meara would have loved that game. A bit suprised to about the last line on coaches. I am a GAA man out and out... and dont think my son made the cut because of a coach from our club (which there are noe). he worked as hard...and probally more that the more noted club players to make the cut for Irsh Youths...

Any underage representative team is rife with political picks and as more of the coaches/selectors of east munster 17s have been from the southern half of east munster than the northern half and the clubs that coaches are from will nearly always have a few players in a squad

Wow.. Not sure if you class Nenagh/Cashel as southern part of east Munster. Sometimes it's hard to accept that other clubs are catching up to the more historical teams.

ormond lad · 25-02-2012 1:54am

ormond lad wrote: »

Any underage representative team is rife with political picks and as more of the coaches/selectors of east munster 17s have been from the southern half of east munster than the northern half and the clubs that coaches are from will nearly always have a few players in a squad

skip64 wrote: »

Wow.. Not sure if you class Nenagh/Cashel as southern part of east Munster. Sometimes it's hard to accept that other clubs are catching up to the more historical teams.

Where did i say nenagh/cashel were in the southern half of east munster???

No, dungarvan and other clubs have improved in recent years but the facts are that the majority of coaches/selectors of east munster u17s for the past 7 age groups(players born in 89 to players born in 95)have been from clubs in the southern half of east munster(mainly dungarvan, waterpark and carrick on suir) and even taking account of waterparks 3 u16/17 munster titles in this time, some of the weaker clubs in the southern half have had more players picked in squads ahead of stronger players from clubs not represented by coaches. Politics are rife in these squads and some of the stronger clubs in the region over this time have had much less numbers than the weakers clubs in the region

rugby_fan · 25-02-2012 10:14am

With regard to Leinster I'd have to say that the club representative teams wouldnt be rife with political picks due mainly to the fact that Leinster employ independent coaches and development officers with no real connection to any club which IMO is a good idea

muscleshirt · 25-02-2012 10:52am

in a team sport human nature will sometimes prevail selection is based on opinion and even development officers have opinions.....that is why i love athletics if you win you are in..the us olympic comm. select 123 at their trials ,no other criteria

Catalpa1 · 25-02-2012 3:34pm

Highfield beat Crosshaven 11-6 in u-19. Typical bad temper encounter. Luckily Highfield won out, and justice was done.:D

rugby_fan · 25-02-2012 4:01pm

Have heard the u19 Leinster league final where the r and b rebels take on gorey will take place next Saturday in Carlow

muscleshirt · 25-02-2012 4:53pm

Catalpa1 wrote: »

Highfield beat Crosshaven 11-6 in u-19. Typical bad temper encounter. Luckily Highfield won out, and justice was done.:D

heard the score was 8-6

Catalpa1 · 25-02-2012 7:07pm

Sorry you are right 8 - 6 Highfield missed a kick at the end to make it 11, good win still though

muscleshirt · 25-02-2012 8:15pm

Catalpa1 wrote: »

Sorry you are right 8 - 6 Highfield missed a kick at the end to make it 11, good win still though

ye..highfield always put out good under age ,could be favorities at u19 now

ormond lad · 25-02-2012 8:44pm

rugby_fan wrote: »

With regard to Leinster I'd have to say that the club representative teams wouldnt be rife with political picks due mainly to the fact that Leinster employ independent coaches and development officers with no real connection to any club which IMO is a good idea

Underage squads no matter how much people say it doesnt happen will be impacted in some way by coaches picking players they know be it the players are from their club/school and that still does happen in leinster except its not as big a problem in leinster as in munster

Munster use development officers as well but the development officers used in leinster to me seem to be elite development officers and generally are ex pros or guys whove played at leinster A level while playing AIL 1 and these guys pick players based on ability not who the kids are or where they are from

ormond lad · 25-02-2012 11:57pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

ye..highfield always put out good under age ,could be favorities at u19 now

Their semi against Shannon-St Marys will be a real cracker of a game when its played in a few weeks time.Either side could win that game with both appearing to be very strong sides based on their appearances so far
2nd semi to be decided tomorrow with Garryowen playing Bruff in dooradoyle to decide who has home advantage in the semis v Bandon.

ormond lad · 26-02-2012 6:28pm

Garryowen beat Bruff 38-8 in dooradoyle. Caught the very end of it, bruff were nowhere near g'owen who will hav it much tougher against bandon in their semi final in a few weeks time

rugby_fan · 26-02-2012 9:58pm

u19 Leinster Premier League Final between the R and B rebels and Gorey is now fixed for next Saturday @ 3 p.m in Naas.. Should be an interesting affair with provincial representative players on both sides..any thoughts?

muscleshirt · 26-02-2012 10:51pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Garryowen beat Bruff 38-8 in dooradoyle. Caught the very end of it, bruff were nowhere near g'owen who will hav it much tougher against bandon in their semi final in a few weeks time

the f/h score was 10 -3 in g/owens favour,bruff had no answer in s/h ,no defensive line ,bandon should be tougher

ormond lad · 26-02-2012 10:58pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

the f/h score was 10 -3 in g/owens favour,bruff had no answer in s/h ,no defensive line ,bandon should be tougher

Bandon will be much tougher, very strong team.
Hopefully the garryowen bandon and shannon highfield games will be previewed on munsterrugby ala the senior cup games

Omvad · 26-02-2012 11:10pm

Sorry for being so late with this post but how dud clon u17 s lose to bruff by so much when they were unlucky to beat highfield what player were they missing

ormond lad · 26-02-2012 11:27pm

Omvad wrote: »

Sorry for being so late with this post but how dud clon u17 s lose to bruff by so much when they were unlucky to beat highfield what player were they missing

I dont know if they were missing players but from what ive heard, Bruffs u17s are huge with 2 or 3 of their forwards well over 6 feet tall and physically monstrous) and Bruff backboned a strong north u17 squad that did well in the regional games that decide this septembers munster youths.

Catalpa1 · 27-02-2012 12:01am

Equally Bruff beat Waterpark 6 - 3 and Highfield beat Waterpark by 20+ points. I was wondering were Bruff resting players, did Waterpark have a lot missing when they played Highfield. The suggestion from a number of sources seems to be that Bruff are almost unbeatable

ormond lad · 27-02-2012 12:11am

Catalpa1 wrote: »

Equally Bruff beat Waterpark 6 - 3 and Highfield beat Waterpark by 20+ points. I was wondering were Bruff resting players, did Waterpark have a lot missing when they played Highfield. The suggestion from a number of sources seems to be that Bruff are almost unbeatable

Bruff are good, had plenty of players in the north u17 development team but ive never suggested(nor has anyone else) that they or any other team are unbeatable.(we'll leave the silly bigging up of teams to the leinster schools thread)
Highfield look strong and will be the first highfield team since the team at u18 level(who beat nenagh in the munster final and went on to win the all ireland) 3 years ago to make a munster underage semi final

Catalpa1 · 27-02-2012 12:28am

Didnt get that from you Ormond, anyway Highfield have a huge task ahead this weekend away in Kanturk, tough place to play but give it a lash and see what happens but should be a good game, our local friends in the Well take on Bruff in Musser thats a pretty handy Well team but Bruff start as favourites

ormond lad · 27-02-2012 1:27am

Catalpa1 wrote: »

Didnt get that from you Ormond, anyway Highfield have a huge task ahead this weekend away in Kanturk, tough place to play but give it a lash and see what happens but should be a good game, our local friends in the Well take on Bruff in Musser thats a pretty handy Well team but Bruff start as favourites

Kanturk will be tough, have been producing some very good backlines from what ive seen the past few years and usually have packs to give their backline enough ball to create decent opportunities

All to play for on the day to see who gets a chance to play in musgrave in the munster final. Hopefully previews and/or match reports of the games are out up on munsterrugby.ie similar to what happens with the schools games

Catalpa1 · 27-02-2012 8:46am

Clon were missing a few against Bruff. Bruff and Kanturk are the teams to beat.

handsaway · 27-02-2012 11:34am

muscleshirt wrote: »

the f/h score was 10 -3 in g/owens favour,bruff had no answer in s/h ,no defensive line ,bandon should be tougher

any players stand out?

muscleshirt · 27-02-2012 12:58pm

handsaway wrote: »

any players stand out?

not really..bruff had'nt a clue from 9 out,any team would have run up a score especially when they got tired in the last quarter,bruff forwards did their best..

handsaway · 27-02-2012 4:29pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

handsaway wrote: »

any players stand out?

not really..bruff had'nt a clue from 9 out,any team would have run up a score especially when they got tired in the last quarter,bruff forwards did their best..

Yeah I heard they have some decent fowards alright

ormond lad · 27-02-2012 4:47pm

Anyone know what the training session that is on in Nessans community college today is for. A few lads from Nenagh are gone into the training. Is it schools/youths what exactly? The lads that went into the session are 94s so will be u19s in september

muscleshirt · 27-02-2012 5:30pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Anyone know what the training session that is on in Nessans community college today is for. A few lads from Nenagh are gone into the training. Is it schools/youths what exactly? The lads that went into the session are 94s so will be u19s in september

it's a first screening of the munster A schools for the inter/pro series later in the year,looks like they are taking it serious this year.last years side was very successful winning all their games and also a good win over the munster youths

ormond lad · 27-02-2012 5:31pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

it's a first screening of the munster A schools for the inter/pro series later in the year,looks like they are taking it serious this year.last years side was very successful winning all their games and also a good win over the munster youths

if its for the A schools Then why is there players gone to the session if they will be overage for the A schools games in september?

muscleshirt · 27-02-2012 6:20pm

ormond lad wrote: »

if its for the A schools Then why is there players gone to the session if they will be overage for the A schools games in september?

don't know? it was for 95/96 but would't 94 make them under age for u19 schools

ormond lad · 27-02-2012 6:22pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

don't know? it was for 95/96 but would't 94 make them under age for u19 schools

There is no u19 schools team, just 2 u19s teams

muscleshirt · 27-02-2012 6:30pm

ormond lad wrote: »

There is no u19 schools team, just 2 u19s teams

93 were allowed play last year ,so they must be taken it as 2011/12 which would 94s ok

ormond lad · 27-02-2012 6:53pm

muscleshirt wrote: »

93 were allowed play last year ,so they must be taken it as 2011/12 which would 94s ok

My brother was at the trial. There was a game with 3 periods of 30 minutes to account for over 100 lads at the trial.
Anyone who is in school can play,age doesnt matter

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