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Tralee to Fenit Greenway

  • 10-12-2011 3:16pm
    #1
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭


    Just seen that there is another walk planned for tomorrow on the old Tralee-Fenit railline, would be great to see this project come to fruitition !

    tralee_fenit_walk_2_poster_a4.png?w=500&h=353

    http://traleetofenitcycleway.wordpress.com


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  • #2
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    I see the tracks are still down in parts of it, amazing they havent been removed.


  • #3
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    @carchaeologist are you amazed that they haven't been officially removed or that they haven't been half-inched ?


  • #4
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    That was some action packed Sunday stroll, it had something for everyone; stand-offs, manned barricades, barbed-wire defenses, JCB action, Gardaí, Santa, kid playing in puddles, dogs making new friends and not to forget the free tae and buns !


  • #5
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    kingdumb wrote: »
    @carchaeologist are you amazed that they haven't been officially removed or that they haven't been half-inched ?

    Second option! Genuinely surprised they havent been nicked, or that the rail crowd didnt take them.
    Anyone know the gauge?


  • #6
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    It was a mainline route, so standard gauge, according to wikipedia that is 1,600 mm (5 ft 3 in)
    carchaeologist wrote: »
    Anyone know the gauge?


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  • #7
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    Didn't think of wiki! Ta KD!:)


  • #8
    Kerrydude1981
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    How did the walk go on Sunday? Was there a big turnout?


  • #9
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    Kerrydude1981 wrote: »
    How did the walk go on Sunday? Was there a big turnout?

    Yes, despite ankle deep mud and a hail shower the turnout again was great, and it was well worth the effort. We even made it on the front page of today's Kerryman :) The situation was fairly tense when the crowd reached the barricades, but thanks to a little help from the friendly Gardaí all stayed more or less peaceful. I think the next walk will be decisive and I encourage everybody to join in. The date for that will surely be published here...


  • #10
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    http://www.kerryseye.com/walkers-stopped-in-their-tr.html
    http://kerryman.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/pageview.aspx?issue=71542011121400000000001001

    It's a pity that none of the people opposing the way do actually care to explain why they want to stop it.


  • #11
    manoverboards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭manoverboards


    Aw come on now, you would come across as very selfish if you were to say that you wish to stop a 8 mile walkway which would be of benefit to 1000's of people in your community just so you can extend you back garden by a couple of feet !
    Quaderno wrote: »
    http://www.kerryseye.com/walkers-stopped-in-their-tr.html
    http://kerryman.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/pageview.aspx?issue=71542011121400000000001001

    It's a pity that none of the people opposing the way do actually care to explain why they want to stop it.


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  • #12
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    If there are gardens extended out into the line its surely illegal to have done so? :confused:


  • #13
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    I think you are correct, but the Land Owner [CIE/IR] are the one who have to tackle them on it.


    carchaeologist wrote: »
    If there are gardens extended out into the line its surely illegal to have done so? :confused:


  • #14
    theaceofspies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    The heart of the issue here is that the barricaders think they have squatters rights on the line. The key party here is CIE - until they own up to their repsonsilities it seems that this will be ongoing. It is a National issue and not just a local one as if they decide here it will set a precedent for other disused lines.
    From my dealings with CIE things don't happen in a hurry; a bit like all the other organs of the State.


  • #15
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    Also I can't for the life of me understand why every business and tourist promotion agency/group are not all over this.

    According to Failte Ireland a route of similar length in Mayo was worth €7.2 million to the local economy. And that was in Mayo, this is Kerry #1 tourist destination in Ireland !!

    The mind boggles...


  • #16
    TigerTim
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    kingdumb wrote: »
    Also I can't for the life of me understand why every business and tourist promotion agency/group are not all over this.

    According to Failte Ireland a route of similar length in Mayo was worth €7.2 million to the local economy. And that was in Mayo, this is Kerry #1 tourist destination in Ireland !!

    The mind boggles...


    If this was Killarney, guarranteed it would be resolved very quickly.

    T.


  • #17
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    congrats on your efforts on tralee/fenit...ANYYHING WORTH HAVING DOSENT COME EASY..we know it here in west limerick..when progress is being made as it is to be seen now purely by people power the politicians will be allover the project. :).Southern Trail News...

    CHRISTMAS WALK along old railway: TUE. 27th DEC at 1pm: NEWCASTLE WEST to RATHKEALE.

    Nollaig Shona agus gach dea-ghuí i 2012; Happy Christmas from the Great Southern Trail and best wishes for the New Year of 2012. Sincere thanks to each and everyone who supported the GST in any way during the past year.

    We look forward to as many of you as possible participating in our Christmas Walk from Newcastle West to Rathkeale on Tuesday Dec.27th. at 1p.m.[WEATHER PERMITTING].

    Assembly is at the Old Station, Bishop Court, Newcastle West, Co. Limerick and the 8 mile[13km] journey will take about three hours. Walkers joining at Ardagh Station should commence at 2p.m.

    The newly completed extension at Castlematrix, Rathkeale now enables a safe crossing under the N21 River Deel bridge and the provision of this link (and a similar one at Barnagh) by Limerick Co. Co. under the 'SMARTER TRAVEL PROGRAMME' is to be commended.

    At journey's end light refreshments will be provided at Rathkeale House Hotel and there will be a complimentary return coach to Ardagh/N.C.West at 5.30p.m. We thank the Hotel management and Coach House Travel for their generosity in these arrangements.
    [N.B. A courtesy coach will also leave from Rathkeale House Hotel at 12.45 p.m. to connect with the start of the walk.] Please wear strong, comfortable, waterproof walking shoes. Tel. or text 0876471956 for any enquiries    the project......keep up the good work..


  • #18
    trad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭trad


    Why not invite the John Murray Show on Radion 1 to have one of their organised walks on the Line. Plenty of publicity there.

    Did a section of the Wesport to Achill route last month. 4 of us went specially down to travel the route so it is worth money to the local economy.


  • #19
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    we have invited mr murray but he has no interest in coming to west limerick..we have on a number of occasions extended an invite.....


  • #20
    amadain
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    Happy New Year !

    It is great that we can bring such good news in the first post of the year. Following negotiations CIE have given Kerry County Council the authority to act on their behalf in dealing with the redevelopment of the line and any issues that may arise.

    As you may be aware clearance work on the line began in late 2010 but later stalled. These works were required to allow Kerry County Council’s engineers to survey the line in order to prepare plans for the line.

    Since then Kerry County Council were awaiting permission from CIE to act on their behalf.

    We have been informed that Kerry County Council staff are now progressing plans for the line.

    Hopefully it will not be long before we see this amenity come to fruition !

    (Copied from the thread title's blog on this subject for discussion here)


    Thanks from: kingdumb

    19-01-2012, 09:02 #2
    kingdumb

    That's great news alright Amadain, let hope there is some action on it soon, apparently is in not a huge job, so if all goes according to planned if it could quite possibly be open for the summer.

    Also just to let you know that there is a thread about this already

    MODS can you merge them ?



    19-01-2012, 12:22 #3
    theaceofspies

    It is critical that the "authority" given to the council will stand up in a court of law otherwise the project will stall again. it will be a great facility for North Kerry if/when it is completed.


    SORRY kingdumb,
    Looked for other threads first on this subject but must have missed it.


  • #21
    amadain
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    When is the next WALK THE LINE planned ?


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  • #22
    amadain
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDzGXTYXyc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m40s


  • #23
    amadain
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    amadain wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDzGXTYXyc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m40s

    Sorry meant to add that the video of the North Kerry railway line is from 1986.

    It begins at Adare and follows the line to Tralee and on to Fenit.

    It gets to Ballyroe after about 5 1/2 minutes of the video with views of Ballyroe, the Black Bridge, and Tralee.


    It then follows the Fenit line, with views out from Rock Street, Kilfenora and the Tankard, and then Fenit station.


  • #24
    kingdumb
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    amadain wrote: »
    When is the next WALK THE LINE planned ?
    Seen as the biggest stumbling block has now been sorted [CIE awarding KCC a licence] hopefully the next walk will be the official opening !

    That said, it is state owned land so you could walk it whenever you want @amadain, you might need welly's tho' :)


  • #25
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    Most of the Limerick part of that line /video is reopened, let hope it is contagious !

    southerntrail.net
    amadain wrote: »
    Sorry meant to add that the video of the North Kerry railway line is from 1986.

    It begins at Adare and follows the line to Tralee and on to Fenit.

    It gets to Ballyroe after about 5 1/2 minutes of the video with views of Ballyroe, the Black Bridge, and Tralee.


    It then follows the Fenit line, with views out from Rock Street, Kilfenora and the Tankard, and then Fenit station.


  • #26
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    The next time you take a stroll along the route to Fenit spare a thought for all those hard working volunteers with the Great Southern Railway Preservation Society who spent so much time and money in the 1980s to try and reopen the railway: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66963749&postcount=1


  • #27
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    The next time you take a stroll along the route to Fenit spare a thought for all those hard working volunteers with the Great Southern Railway Preservation Society who spent so much time and money in the 1980s to try and reopen the railway: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66963749&postcount=1

    Hi guys am sure that they tried very hard...
    for the record we dont have any preserved railway in the republic..you have to go to northern ireland for such a treat..
    The limerick to tralee line was offered up to them all those years ago but they considered it too rural....and not worth preserving...


  • #28
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    Fair play to all involved in this, it's a pity it all didn't work out. I was only a young fella when this all took place thus had little real idea of what was going on in the background, so that post you linked to was very insightful.

    I had thought that the project was driven locally so it was a surprise that most of those involved were living far from Fenit/Tralee.

    Just a quick question, you mention an engine (a Ruston) ending up in Clonakilty, was that located in Fenit for a while, I seem to remember an engine on the platform/plinth opposite the West End
    Judgement Day wrote: »
    The next time you take a stroll along the route to Fenit spare a thought for all those hard working volunteers with the Great Southern Railway Preservation Society who spent so much time and money in the 1980s to try and reopen the railway: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66963749&postcount=1


  • #29
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    That's the same engine that is now in Clonakilty - it came out of the sugar factory in Mallow. The Great Southern Railway Preservation Society were also involved in the Blennerville project but were pushed out by local vested interests and we all know what happened to that railway. Perhaps it too can become a greenway?


  • #30
    Kerry County Council
    Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    PRESS RELEASE
    For immediate release

    Council to start clearance work on section of Tralee-Fenit Railway Line
    25/02/2012



    Kerry County Council will be starting clearance works today, Friday, February 24th on a stretch of the Fenit Railway line from Rock Street to Bracker O'Regan Road, Mounthawk.

    The works will involve the cutting back of the trees and undergrowth, back to the railway boundary, along with the removal of rubbish and debris. The work, which is being carried out by Kerry County Council staff is expected to continue until next Friday.

    In some cases, the clearance works may see some residential properties along the route have their properties exposed. In these cases, Kerry County Council will be working with the owners to secure the property.

    "There will be some properties where the clearance works will expose their property," a Council spokesperson stated. "Where that happens, security fencing will be immediately erected to protect their property and we will be putting more permanent boundaries in place afterwards.

    "We will be speaking to those residents during the next few days and those who have queries are asked to contact Kerry County Council's Roads Department on 066 7183588 or email: roads@kerrycoco.ie

    The clearance works will allow the Council to prepare detailed drawings and costings for works along the route relating to the proposed Tralee-Fenit walkway.

    "We are currently finalising a number of issues and hope to be in a position to start the Part 8 Planning Process in relation to the Rock Street to Mounthawk section of the walkway in the next few weeks," the spokesperson said.


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  • #31
    Judgement Day
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    Very interesting but as I understand it the NTA have serious reservations about the walkway given that the Tralee/Fenit line is still part of the National rail network - it has never been closed.


  • #32
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    That's great news, when do expect clearance work to start on the Bracker o'Reagan to Fenit and Rock Street to the Train Station sections to begin ?
    Kerry County Council wrote: »
    PRESS RELEASE
    For immediate release

    Council to start clearance work on section of Tralee-Fenit Railway Line
    25/02/2012



    Kerry County Council will be starting clearance works today, Friday, February 24th on a stretch of the Fenit Railway line from Rock Street to Bracker O'Regan Road, Mounthawk.

    The works will involve the cutting back of the trees and undergrowth, back to the railway boundary, along with the removal of rubbish and debris. The work, which is being carried out by Kerry County Council staff is expected to continue until next Friday.

    In some cases, the clearance works may see some residential properties along the route have their properties exposed. In these cases, Kerry County Council will be working with the owners to secure the property.

    "There will be some properties where the clearance works will expose their property," a Council spokesperson stated. "Where that happens, security fencing will be immediately erected to protect their property and we will be putting more permanent boundaries in place afterwards.

    "We will be speaking to those residents during the next few days and those who have queries are asked to contact Kerry County Council's Roads Department on 066 7183588 or email: roads@kerrycoco.ie

    The clearance works will allow the Council to prepare detailed drawings and costings for works along the route relating to the proposed Tralee-Fenit walkway.

    "We are currently finalising a number of issues and hope to be in a position to start the Part 8 Planning Process in relation to the Rock Street to Mounthawk section of the walkway in the next few weeks," the spokesperson said.


  • #33
    kingdumb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    To you have a link/ref. to NTA's stance ?

    I am sure the NTA should be more concerned at IR/CIE's lack of care for state owned lands.

    Of course I would love to see trains running on the the line again but, that's not going to happen in the near future, so at least by having it as a greenway it will stop encroachments onto the land and keep the line intact !
    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Very interesting but as I understand it the NTA have serious reservations about the walkway given that the Tralee/Fenit line is still part of the National rail network - it has never been closed.


  • #34
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    CIE dont give a hoot about the line and would gladly wash their hands of it..
    as far as the nta are concerned i wouldnt loose too much about it..
    The hurdle to cross will be the landowners That will be the beechers brook of the fenit line greenway....
    Keep up the good work and anything is possible...
    SOUTHERN TRAIL OLD DOG...


  • #35
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    trail man wrote: »
    The hurdle to cross will be the landowners That will be the beechers brook of the fenit line greenway...

    I thought the ownership issue had already been sorted out between CIE and the town council?
    Anyway, I just went down to have a quick look, and at least on the rock street side I failed to spot any activity apart from the pictured sign. I didn't check from Bracker O'Reagan road, though. Can't wait to see it happen :)

    194080.jpg

    194081.jpg


  • #36
    Kerry County Council
    Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    Work started this morning on the Mounthawk side


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  • #37
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    will there be further photos taken as more work progresses?


  • #38
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    when will they start building the walkway?


  • #39
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    Hey stevie..
    They will start next sunday morning at 5.45 am... come along and give us a hand..:cool:....


  • #40
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    stevielenihan wrote: »
    will there be further photos taken as more work progresses?

    Yes, I am sure there are enough people here (myself included) who will keep an eye on the developments and take pictures every now and then. The County Council will want to have a good documentation of the progress as well, so there will be more pics very soon here or there.
    As for the start of the actual building works: I am quite sure there has to be a proper planning process first and then the work and supply of materials will most likely have to go on tender. So I would think that we are still (at least) several months away from anything that goes beyond clearing out overgrowth and securing adjacent properties. But the first steps are done.


  • #41
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    trail man wrote: »
    Hey stevie..
    They will start next sunday morning at 5.45 am... come along and give us a hand..:cool:....






    Hey Trailman i will give ye a hand. Ok but at least the clearing work is underway


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  • #42
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    when will they be clearing the rest of the railway line back to fenit?


  • #43
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    stevielenihan wrote: »
    when will they be clearing the rest of the railway line back to fenit?

    I think they cleared a large part of the track between the town and Fenit in 2010 - until they were stopped by some residents. But a lot of the work has already been done:
    194255.jpg

    I took another couple of pictures just an hour ago and the clearing in Mounthawk seems to advance quite well:
    194256.jpg
    194257.jpg


  • #44
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    will the tracks have to be lifted for the walk to be build?


  • #45
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    Quaderno wrote: »
    194080.jpg

    194081.jpg
    Here is the updated pictures of the above as of this morning..

    IMG_2967.jpg
    IMG_2966.jpg


  • #46
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    carchaeologist wrote: »
    Second option! Genuinely surprised they havent been nicked, or that the rail crowd didnt take them.
    Anyone know the gauge?

    Nicking them would be way too much work for those who have a habit of nicking scrap metal.


  • #47
    555guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭555guy


    interesting to see how intact the rails are .. you'd never know it from the before pics. Also interesting to see how the clearing so far has opened up onto the housing nearby ...


  • #48
    amadain
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    stevielenihan wrote: »
    when will they be clearing the rest of the railway line back to fenit?

    The stretch from the Spa back down to Mounthawk is next few weeks.

    Won't it be great to walk to Spa this summer !


  • #49
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    It would have been even better to take the train to Spa. There were seaside trains to Fenit from Castleisland and Tralee as late as the 1970s - not bad for a line that lost its regular passenger service as far back as 1934!


  • #50
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    This is a fantastic development and has gigantic potential as a local/tourist amenity...no reason why in the long term it that it couldnt be linked with the rest of the north kerry line and eventually you could cycle/walk from fenit to limerick city via the great southern trail. ...ALL THE REST OF EUROPE HAVE DONE THIS WITH OLD RAILWAY LINES AND ARE MAKING A MINT FROM ECO TOURISM...


  • #51
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    trail man wrote: »
    This is a fantastic development and has gigantic potential as a local/tourist amenity...no reason why in the long term it that it couldnt be linked with the rest of the north kerry line and eventually you could cycle/walk from fenit to limerick city via the great southern trail. ...ALL THE REST OF EUROPE HAVE DONE THIS WITH OLD RAILWAY LINES AND ARE MAKING A MINT FROM ECO TOURISM...

    Where does the great southern trail extent to now? Abbeyfeale?.


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