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why do immigrants want to follow their own culture more

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭simply simple


    wyndhurst wrote: »
    You should really start by understanding the difference between "immigrate" (immigration) and emigrate before asking the more profound & deeper questions.:rolleyes:

    the part u have quoted should say emigrate,yes
    well the question fits well for both of them i guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    People keep their own cultures going in foreign countries for the same reason people delude themselves into believing that saying a prayer will cure HIV or cancer or the common cold.
    Comfort.

    You can buy Kerrygold butter in China, just like Polish people can buy Pork based products that should taste nice, but really taste like crap here in Ireland.

    It works out well until foreign people insulate themselves from the natives. Then you get ghetto culture and it all goes to hell due to innate fear of the unknown.

    There's no harm in assimilating and keeping part of your own cultural identity. Most people won't do that though.


    On a side note, someone mentioned Irish bars and Australia.
    I can understand that if you're there long term, but why go to Lanzarote (or similar) for two weeks and spend all your time in Irish bars?
    Just book a holiday in the farthest Irish city from your home and do the same ****ing thing.

    People suck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    the part u have quoted should say emigrate,yes
    well the question fits well for both of them i guess
    Please don't use text speak or I will be forced to mock you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    I went to Cyprus a few years ago and it was like a sunnier version of England. It was full of English pubs with English people inside them watching football and cheering on Manchester United.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Tricky question there, but I would say, that home sickness plays a vital part as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Terry wrote: »
    People keep their own cultures going in foreign countries for the same reason people delude themselves into believing that saying a prayer will cure HIV or cancer or the common cold.
    Comfort.

    You can buy Kerrygold butter in China, just like Polish people can buy Pork based products that should taste nice, but really taste like crap here in Ireland.

    It works out well until foreign people insulate themselves from the natives. Then you get ghetto culture and it all goes to hell due to innate fear of the unknown.

    There's no harm in assimilating and keeping part of your own cultural identity. Most people won't do that though.


    On a side note, someone mentioned Irish bars and Australia.
    I can understand that if you're there long term, but why go to Lanzarote (or similar) for two weeks and spend all your time in Irish bars?
    Just book a holiday in the farthest Irish city from your home and do the same ****ing thing.

    People suck.

    Because it's that or the English bars and it's the lesser of two evils.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Time was the immigrants in America would fight for the right to be called American and disown their old flag in favour of the Stars and Stripes. A generation later and their kids do the opposite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Marcin_diy


    I don't enjoy going to the pub every second evening drinking buckets of beer and I don't like to run naked and drunk on cold weekend nights in the city centre. (see dub city centre streets after 9pm)
    why should i stick to Irish culture*?


    *don't take it too serious. smile and take it easy. we all know that pubs and drinks is only a smal part of Irish culture.:-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Marcin_diy wrote: »
    I don't enjoy going to the pub every second evening drinking buckets of beer and I don't like to run naked and drunk on cold weekend nights in the city centre. (see dub city centre streets after 9pm)
    why should i stick to Irish culture*?


    *don't take it too serious. smile and take it easy. we all know that pubs and drinks is only a smal part of Irish culture.:-)

    You're right.

    There's nightclubs too! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    I have mates who are in Oz, Canada and England and all they do is go to Irish pubs! They have 'Irish parties' and socialise with Irish people.
    It's pathetic and I tell them all the time, I'm not Irish and I integrated when I moved to Ireland. "When you go to Rome, do as the ROMANS!"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭ihsb


    I was brought up in England as a second generation Irish. I loved coming over here... always supported Ireland. Watch hurling and the rest. I cannot explain why, it was just a connection I always felt. And when I moved over it was like I came home. Even though I wasn't born here. I barely miss England at all even though that is where I have spent most of my life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    but this culture love is sometimes hard for kids as they are born n brought up in the new country and parents are trying hard to teach their culture,why? u love your culture but your kids culture is the new country as they are born there,why try hard to teach then your culture,some does this to an extent that kids rebel against their parents and their culture

    Well when it comes to language, many parents want their children to be able to speak the language of their home country, in part so they can communicate with relatives, and maintain those connections. No matter how hard parents try though, language almost always dies out by the third generation.
    St.Spodo wrote: »
    We Irish, as a people, are famous for that. Our ancestors who emegrated to America were often keen to be seen as hyphenated Americans. If anyone should be complaining about this, it shouldn't really be us.

    Hm, not necessarily. The Irish were treated as a distinct ethnic group, by virtue of both their low socio-economic status and their Catholicism - especially in New England. So this wasn't really a choice.

    Third and fourth-generation Irish people in the US have picked up hyphenated identity, Irish dance, etc., but that doesn't mean they don't see themselves as Americans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    It's probably a lot like how when muppets go on holidays they wear GAA Jerseys and sling an Irish flag over the balcony.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Johnny Foreigner


    I always wonder why do immigrants want to keep their culture alive when they are not in their mother country. they tend to be more strict in following it then the one who lives back there in thier country

    i m not trying to criticize any body,just curious what will be the reason..okay they might be missing their hometown but why are they strict towards their kids as well to make them follow that culture more then the culture of the country they are now living?
    i myself am an immigrant here in ireland and also do so,just dont know why i m doing so :rolleyes:
    immigrants can be from any country to any other country,not just immigrants to ireland

    Not always the case.
    Some do, some don't.
    My parents emigrated from Ireland to London in 1960.
    They became very Anglicised quickly in order to fit in. My mother was a Republican Catholic but even she enjoyed watching the Queens speech on Christmas day which I found bizarre as a child. They embraced many things about British culture and many of my parents Irish family married English people and settled there.
    I was born in London and moved back to Ireland 3 years ago. I was brought up as Irish and love Irish culture. I have no desire to hang on to the British culture I left behind.
    Having experienced the two cultures, I prefer Irish culture as I never felt British, or that I belonged to Britain as my parents were Irish.
    Its personal preference and how you feel in the country you emigrate to.
    A lot depends on if you choose to emigrate to a country, or are forced to in the case of many asylum seekers and refugees.
    If you choose, then you leave your old life and culture behind. But if you are forced, you may feel homesick and cling to your old culture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    OP, There is thing next month called Paddys Day which is celebrated in a lot of places around the world whether they like it or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,916 ✭✭✭jluv


    Do we want people to totally drop their culture and ways,yet if I went to another country and came back to Ireland speaking with a different accent and behaving differently they would be saying"who does she think she is"
    I lived in another country and really enjoyed discovering different culture but because they wanted to learn mine also it made me "a little more irish" if you know what I mean. Because they were interested I think it made me that more proud to be Irish.
    So maybe some people here are interested in the other nationalities culture and their curiosity makes the person proud of their ways...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Johnny Foreigner


    ihsb wrote: »
    I was brought up in England as a second generation Irish. I loved coming over here... always supported Ireland. Watch hurling and the rest. I cannot explain why, it was just a connection I always felt. And when I moved over it was like I came home. Even though I wasn't born here. I barely miss England at all even though that is where I have spent most of my life.

    I know exactly what you mean.
    I am London-Irish and feel exactly the same.
    I never felt I belonged in England, I always felt Irish.
    We are an ethnic minority, part of the Irish diaspora of immigrant children who grew up with a hybrid hypenated identity; a mixture of the two cultures.
    But unlike American-Irish we couldn't call ourselves British-Irish due to the Troubles, and the history of conflict between Britain and Ireland.
    Our parents brought us up believing in the utopia they felt homesick for, and so we never felt we belonged and returned.
    Its common for children of the diaspora to become political and polarised when they return. For example take hard line political views like Republicanism, this is so they feel a sense of belonging to a group. It fills the gap of feeling displaced from their home.
    The problem we have as hybrids is that we only feel Irish when we are accepted by the Irish born.
    During Italia 90 I experienced prejudice from Dubliner's and was called a plastic paddy for supporting the Republic of Ireland. I then pointed out that half the team were born in England, and I was as Irish as they were.
    I then asked the man abusing me why he was wearing Liverpool football shirt if he hated the English so much? He shut up then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    I lived abroad for 12 years,it takes a while before we integrate our own beliefs with our new ones,personally I found ways to exist with both cultures and became very proud of my own Irishness while not disrespecting my new one,Some people who have children would become alarmed if there children start to lose there language and culture and object to them adapting the mainstream culture of there new country as a lot of children will forget and reject that, so they start just being with like minded people of there own culture and wont mix or integrate and end up creating ghettos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    1. You are an idiot
    2. You are a troll
    3. New york, 1850's,-Irish immigrants


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭ihsb


    I know exactly what you mean.
    I am London-Irish and feel exactly the same.
    I never felt I belonged in England, I always felt Irish.
    We are an ethnic minority, part of the Irish diaspora of immigrant children who grew up with a hybrid hypenated identity; a mixture of the two cultures.
    But unlike American-Irish we couldn't call ourselves British-Irish due to the Troubles, and the history of conflict between Britain and Ireland.
    Our parents brought us up believing in the utopia they felt homesick for, and so we never felt we belonged and returned.
    Its common for children of the diaspora to become political and polarised when they return. For example take hard line political views like Republicanism, this is so they feel a sense of belonging to a group. It fills the gap of feeling displaced from their home.
    The problem we have as hybrids is that we only feel Irish when we are accepted by the Irish born.
    During Italia 90 I experienced prejudice from Dubliner's and was called a plastic paddy for supporting the Republic of Ireland. I then pointed out that half the team were born in England, and I was as Irish as they were.
    I then asked the man abusing me why he was wearing Liverpool football shirt if he hated the English so much? He shut up then.

    I get the same whenever I say I am Irish or when I say I support Kilkenny in hurling. They think that I don't have a right to support the team I do. I say the same as you in response about them supporting English teams. It is great over here though!

    Of course not in all countries but I think that a lot of cultures that miss their homeland are cultures that have experienced war and oppression. I don't have much to back this one up but just what I was thinking.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Alot of people are proud of their heritage and so on and its important they keep traditions alive whether that is in their own country or another, SOME Irish people have bizarre logic to their heritage to the point that they are only proud of it when locked in some new york bar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Johnny Foreigner


    ihsb wrote: »
    I get the same whenever I say I am Irish or when I say I support Kilkenny in hurling. They think that I don't have a right to support the team I do. I say the same as you in response about them supporting English teams. It is great over here though!

    Of course not in all countries but I think that a lot of cultures that miss their homeland are cultures that have experienced war and oppression. I don't have much to back this one up but just what I was thinking.

    This quote sums us up:

    “ I do not think this country will afford sufficient allurements to the citizens of other States ... The children of Irish parents born abroad are sometimes more Irish than the Irish themselves, and they would come with added experience and knowledge to our country.... ”
    —Sen. Patrick Kenny, 1924


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭alandublin33


    I think being proud of your heritage and culture it a great thing for everyone , but I dont think being proud of your culture should mean "sticking to your own" and isolating yourself and your family from society .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    I think being proud of your heritage and culture it a great thing for everyone , but I dont think being proud of your culture should mean "sticking to your own" and isolating yourself and your family from society .

    Having lived as a foreigner in Ireland, it's not like natives are falling all over themselves to hang out with newcomers - they have their own sets of friends and networks already. This is perfectly normal - it's been the case in pretty much every country I've lived in. Most of my friends when I've lived abroad have been other foreigners (not from my home country necessarily), largely because we are the ones who are looking to make new friends and connections. When I lived in Dublin, the few Irish people I ended up hanging out were themselves recent arrivals there who didn't know anyone either.

    I also have to wonder how many people who complain about migrants sticking to their own have lived in another country where you had to learn or use a language that wasn't your own all day. I'm a native English speaker, and when I lived in Spain, I would get home and be so drained from having to function in another language all day, that it was often a relief to socialize with other native English speakers in the evening. You may call that 'sticking to my own', but I call it sanity preservation.

    Finally, I wish people would stop insisting that migrants incorporate, without being clearer about what they are supposed to do. Incorporate into what? As long as people speak the language, pay their taxes, and obey the law, who cares what language they speak at home or with friends, or who they choose to socialize with outside of work?

    /rant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭alandublin33


    Having lived as a foreigner in Ireland, it's not like natives are falling all over themselves to hang out with newcomers - they have their own sets of friends and networks already. This is perfectly normal - it's been the case in pretty much every country I've lived in. Most of my friends when I've lived abroad have been other foreigners (not from my home country necessarily), largely because we are the ones who are looking to make new friends and connections. When I lived in Dublin, the few Irish people I ended up hanging out were themselves recent arrivals there who didn't know anyone either.

    I also have to wonder how many people who complain about migrants sticking to their own have lived in another country where you had to learn or use a language that wasn't your own all day. I'm a native English speaker, and when I lived in Spain, I would get home and be so drained from having to function in another language all day, that it was often a relief to socialize with other native English speakers in the evening. You may call that 'sticking to my own', but I call it sanity preservation.

    Finally, I wish people would stop insisting that migrants incorporate, without being clearer about what they are supposed to do. Incorporate into what? As long as people speak the language, pay their taxes, and obey the law, who cares what language they speak at home or with friends, or who they choose to socialize with outside of work?

    /rant

    ok first of all I wasnt making a hate speech , the inverted commas were to let you know thats what other people would say " stick to .... " and i wasnt sayin that immigrants have to totally adopt a new culture , but be opened minded when they interact with the locals , one more thing , who the fcuk pissed on your cornflakes today ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    ok first of all I wasnt making a hate speech , the inverted commas were to let you know thats what other people would say " stick to .... " and i wasnt sayin that immigrants have to totally adopt a new culture , but be opened minded when they interact with the locals , one more thing , who the fcuk pissed on your cornflakes today ?

    Who said you were making a hate speech? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭alandublin33


    cool beans , lets split hairs. I wasnt trying to be down on foreigners at all ( oh , I hope I didnt offend anyone saying foreigners ), but coolio have fun, take care


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Because we dont ridicule their ways and beliefs enough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    cool beans , lets split hairs. I wasnt trying to be down on foreigners at all ( oh , I hope I didnt offend anyone saying foreigners ), but coolio have fun, take care

    I doubt you will. :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    Because they are proud of their roots?

    Because they want to hold onto their heritage?

    Pretty stupid question tbh.

    What I find crazy is why are there so many Irish people , living in Ireland that want us to be different, like giving us examples of what the finnish do , or hey you may think your right but in china they dont use chairs?
    Is this people who just want you to know they have been to china or are they that ashamed of their Irish culture tht they want to be Finnish.


    Paddy 1: hey Tom wanna play hurling
    Paddy 2: In austrailia they play aussie rules , we as a culture should play this instead to show everyone we are civilised.


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