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The Ireland Visit Of China Vice President Xi Jinping

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  • #32
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    fluorescence wrote: »
    What is that supposed to mean?
    China is one of the most powerful and biggest countries in the world. They are hardly going to pay much attention to what what Republic of Ireland has to say. Plus with all the latest scandalous stories coming out in recent years about Priests and cover ups and so on, it would be very easy for the vice President of China to ignore any complaints.


  • #33
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    If Enda didn't have the balls to mention to Tim Geithner about the 20 billion i don't see them say anything to this Chinese guy about human rights.

    Besides he won't give a rats ass what we think anyway.


  • #34
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Will he shoot a ping pong ball out he's gee?


  • #35
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    I think he chose Ireland so he can tell his nation how democracy has failed. Show them how the banks run Europe consequently write a speech when he gets home on the evils of capitalism.


  • #36
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Enda might try and be the hero and bring up the human rights issue in front of the cameras. He will end up making a hash of it and making an enemy for us. The Chinese guy will still go home and not take heed of what he said though.


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  • #37
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I don't see any harm in it. It's a diplomatic visit. They chose Ireland as their single European stopover. There's loads of time for questions about their human rights record etc. Kenny even said that he'll be raising those questions when he visits China soon.

    What questions would the media be asking him anyway? I don't remember that Queen or Obama doing any press conferences on their visits.

    No major power in history has ever cared about human rights, why should the Chinese?


  • #38
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Yakult wrote: »
    Will he shoot a ping pong ball out he's gee?

    Enda? No, hes too uptight.


  • #39
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    China is one of the most powerful and biggest countries in the world. They are hardly going to pay much attention to what what Republic of Ireland has to say. Plus with all the latest scandalous stories coming out in recent years about Priests and cover ups and so on, it would be very easy for the vice President of China to ignore any complaints.

    The clerical abuse scandal while deplorable pales in comparison with Chinese abuses of human rights in recent years.

    Freedom of the press.

    Freedom of Religion.

    Freedom of Movement.

    Falun Gong.

    Tibet.

    Not to mention Tienanmen Square.

    But don't worry spineless Enda will not mention a thing about human rights to the Chinese no.2.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #40
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    They should send in Martin. He speaks their language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5Rcc17eb8

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #41
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Plus with all the latest scandalous stories coming out in recent years about Priests and cover ups and so on, it would be very easy for the vice President of China to ignore any complaints.
    The Republic, Keith, unlike Northern Ireland, has moved on in the last 60 years. Or the last 600 years if you like.


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  • #42
    patrickn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭patrickn


    Maybe its a coincidence that he arrives in one bailout country about to sell off part of energy companies as part of Troika deal, a couple of months after China invested in another bailout country, namely a Portugese energy company.


  • #43
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    No major power in history has ever cared about human rights, why should the Chinese?

    That's terribly fallacious. Just because some people have done bad things before; it shouldn't give others the freedom or justification to continue to do the same.


  • #44
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's terribly fallacious. Just because some people have done bad things before; it shouldn't give others the freedom or justification to continue to do the same.

    Why should we only choose to hold the Chinese to account and not the UK or the USA?

    Is it because they are not on "our" side?


  • #45
    EdgarAllenPoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭EdgarAllenPoo


    It gives Enda a chance to lick some serious arse plus it's an attempt to put a polite face on the chinese government to all the chinese living here so they'll tell their family back home what a great guy he is.

    Least that's.what my (chinese) wife said when she heard he was coming here.


  • #46
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Why should we only choose to hold the Chinese to account and not the UK or the USA?

    Is it because they are not on "our" side?

    I don't think so. What do you mean by "on our side"?

    We should hold up all instances of human rights abuses as examples of why it shouldn't be tolerated. I don't think any sane or rational person would excuse one country's abuses over anothers, just because of some separately held ideology.

    fwiw, I have no problem with this visit, and don't think the guy needs to be grilled about that stuff while over here. There's other avenues for nations to go through in order to bring up that stuff. Having closer ties with the country you take issue with tends to make them take you more seriously when discussing that stuff.


  • #47
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    This is a huge deal, this guy is the next President of China and is coming here for 3 days.

    Gilmore should be locked up for the duration.


  • #48
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I wonder what pub they will bring him to.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #49
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    EdgarAllenPoo wrote: »
    It gives Enda a chance to lick some serious arse plus it's an attempt to put a polite face on the chinese government to all the chinese living here so they'll tell their family back home what a great guy he is.
    This all sounds well and good. We strengthen relationships with the largest growing economy in the world and we make the Chinese people living here happy.

    So why is it 'licking arse'?


  • #50
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    They should get Brendan Grace to entertain him, that would enhance diplomatic relations between the two countries :p

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEeeqCihFI


  • #51
    Sindri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The wealthier the wider population of China becomes the more people will agitate for greater freedom and the less the regime will be able to do about it imho.

    I don't know, they get away with a lot as long as they keep providing for the dear proletariat, which they are. It'll be when their property bubble bursts, that I suspect they'll handle, we'll see more social disorder.


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  • #52
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    fryup wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEeeqCihFI
    Quality, now thats a professional. He takes the piss out out of Irish people with as great a facility as he does anyone else.


  • #53
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    44leto wrote: »
    I say lick his arse so much you could crawl up it. Some may see human rights abuses I see trade deals with the biggest emergung market in the world'

    China rocks

    Apartheid South Africa was also a powerful trade partner. Not to mention that everyone was falling over themselves to condemn anyone who did business with Gaddafi about five minutes after he was ousted. Or that Dev was a monster for acknowledging the death of a German head of state. It's very easy to criticise people in the past for not standing up to tyrants; it's hard to actually stand up to tyrants when you have something to lose.


  • #54
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    Yakult wrote: »
    Will he shoot a ping pong ball out he's gee?

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  • #55
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Enda should ask for. Billion euros at a better rate than we are getting. Off Europe. Then tell the Germans and French where to go.
    Also there is talk of a Chinese buisness man educated inn trinity with an eye on buying electric Ireland


  • #56
    Sindri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    ted1 wrote: »
    Enda should ask for. Billion euros at a better rate than we are getting. Off Europe. Then tell the Germans and French where to go.
    Also there is talk of a Chinese buisness man educated inn trinity with an eye on buying electric Ireland

    That's not necessarily a good thing. Chinese businesses investing in foreign countries/industries tend to be closely linked to the Chinese government. And some, if it suits them, don't honour contractual agreements.


  • #57
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Sindri wrote: »
    ted1 wrote: »
    Enda should ask for. Billion euros at a better rate than we are getting. Off Europe. Then tell the Germans and French where to go.
    Also there is talk of a Chinese buisness man educated inn trinity with an eye on buying electric Ireland

    That's not necessarily a good thing. Chinese businesses investing in foreign countries/industries tend to be closely linked to the Chinese government. And some, if it suits them, don't honour contractual agreements.

    I'm saying ask the government not the buisness men. They may have a not so great human rights record, but they didn't start two world wars.


  • #58
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Have they finished fudging his Irish family tree yet?


  • #59
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    This country is in the sh1tter, we should be prostrate for our Chinese overlords. It won't be exporting boxes of "Quaint" to Germany (I suspect they ain't buying that stuff any more) that'll lift this country.


  • #60
    previous user
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    We're the base that they're gonna launch an invasion of Europe from.


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  • #61
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    The clerical abuse scandal while deplorable pales in comparison with Chinese abuses of human rights in recent years.

    Freedom of the press.

    Freedom of Religion.

    Freedom of Movement.

    Falun Gong.

    Tibet.

    Not to mention Tienanmen Square.

    But don't worry spineless Enda will not mention a thing about human rights to the Chinese no.2.
    What happens in China is none of our business.


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