The Ireland Visit Of China Vice President Xi Jinping

Freddie59

Will be carefully choreographed - with NO questions from the media.

Censorship - or diplomacy?

Over to you.......

Biggins

Well stage managed.
The speeches have been written already (I have no doubt) and the PR exercise's by both states involved will be carefully carried out.

Sunnyisland

:rolleyes: I blame Israel :rolleyes::)

Benny_Cake

I say we play the national anthem of the Republic of China for him to spice things up..

Nodin

Censorship. Bit more honest than microphone "breakdowns" but still.

sgb

Very negative comments so far

In AH we think they are a great bunch of lads

boobar

Freddie59 wrote: »

Will be carefully choreographed - with NO questions from the media.

Censorship - or diplomacy?

Over to you.......

Sure if it gets us afew euro, what harm?

My name is URL

I don't see any harm in it. It's a diplomatic visit. They chose Ireland as their single European stopover. There's loads of time for questions about their human rights record etc. Kenny even said that he'll be raising those questions when he visits China soon.

What questions would the media be asking him anyway? I don't remember that Queen or Obama doing any press conferences on their visits.

Sindri

Isn't this the chap who'll be the successor to Hu Jintao?

I'd like to see him eat in a Chinese restaurant over here.:D

RonMexico

Always amuses me to hear them trot out the "question them about human rights" waffle. As if China gives two shits about what we think. I don't even think Gilmore would have the balls to bring it up. He'll probably be down on his knees grovelling with the begging bowl.

44leto

I say lick his arse so much you could crawl up it. Some may see human rights abuses I see trade deals with the biggest emergung market in the world'

China rocks

Phill Ewinn

I'm giving him my cv

Son Of A Vidic

Freddie59 wrote: »

Over to you.......

Nah, don't bother sending it over.

I'll wait until you put forward your own opinion. It is your thread after all, so it's the least you could do.

Chuck Stone

The wealthier the wider population of China becomes the more people will agitate for greater freedom and the less the regime will be able to do about it imho.

mikom

Freddie59 wrote: »

The Visit Of Xi Jinping

Was expecting pandas in this thread.
"I am disappoint"

Seachmall

I think it's fantastic.

Wonder how much he charges for a 4 in 1 though.

biko

Why discuss human rights with China? They don't give a **** about human rights.

Einhard

Seachmall wrote: »

I think it's fantastic.

Wonder how much he charges for a 4 in 1 though.

Sounds kinky.

Benny_Cake

biko wrote: »

Why discuss human rights with China? They don't give a **** about human rights.

So we can ease our troubled consciences with empty platitudes. And then move swiftly onto how we can make some money.

King of Kings

Benny_Cake wrote: »

So we can ease our troubled consciences with empty platitudes. And then move swiftly onto how we can make some money.

indeed.
I read on RTE.ie Gilmore is going to raise human rights with him. Like **** he is.
They have the cash we need - gilmore will bend over and take it with a smile.

after which gilmore can compare notes with kenny over who was the most tender ? Sarkozy or Xi Jinping?

Dr Bob

I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords..

Stiffler2

Ah the vice president of China. A great bunch of lad.






Zinggg

AngryBollix

He can stay as long as he likes as long as he can cook a trio

KeithAFC

I don't see what the Republic can say to China about the abuse of Human rights.

AngryBollix

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't see what the Republic can say to China about the abuse of Human rights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbk4yaPdurI

Doc Ruby

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't see what the Republic can say to China about the abuse of Human rights.

Sorry Keith, we're talking about the Republic of Ireland, not Northern Ireland. Easy to get those two confused for foreigners I'll grant you.

Nodin

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see any harm in it. It's a diplomatic visit. They chose Ireland as their single European stopover. .............

...which I wouldn't neccessarily take as a compliment.

'It can't be that fucked'
'Tellin ye now. Stop over on the way back and take a look for yourself'

Fluorescence

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't see what the Republic can say to China about the abuse of Human rights.

What is that supposed to mean?

HavingCrack

fluorescence wrote: »

What is that supposed to mean?

For once in my time on boards I think I actually agree with Keith. As far as I can see he's basically saying that it's pointless for any Irish politican to raise human rights issues with China because the Chinese government couldn't give fcuk.

There is something else he could be implying but I don't think even Keith would say what could also be inferred from his post.

Nodin

HavingCrack wrote: »

For once in my time on boards I think I actually agree with Keith. As far as I can see he's basically saying that it's pointless for any Irish politican to raise human rights issues with China because the Chinese government couldn't give fcuk.

There is something else he could be implying but I don't think even Keith would say what could also be inferred from his post.

No, I think ye'd be wrong there.

Fluorescence

HavingCrack wrote: »

For once in my time on boards I think I actually agree with Keith. As far as I can see he's basically saying that it's pointless for any Irish politican to raise human rights issues with China because the Chinese government couldn't give fcuk.

I wouldn't expect Ireland to raise Human Rights issues with China because, tbh, China don't want to take advice from anything not-Chinese.

I don't think that's what Keith was implying though.

KeithAFC

fluorescence wrote: »

What is that supposed to mean?

China is one of the most powerful and biggest countries in the world. They are hardly going to pay much attention to what what Republic of Ireland has to say. Plus with all the latest scandalous stories coming out in recent years about Priests and cover ups and so on, it would be very easy for the vice President of China to ignore any complaints.

woodoo

If Enda didn't have the balls to mention to Tim Geithner about the 20 billion i don't see them say anything to this Chinese guy about human rights.

Besides he won't give a rats ass what we think anyway.

Yakult

Will he shoot a ping pong ball out he's gee?

Phill Ewinn

I think he chose Ireland so he can tell his nation how democracy has failed. Show them how the banks run Europe consequently write a speech when he gets home on the evils of capitalism.

woodoo

Enda might try and be the hero and bring up the human rights issue in front of the cameras. He will end up making a hash of it and making an enemy for us. The Chinese guy will still go home and not take heed of what he said though.

oppenheimer1

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't see any harm in it. It's a diplomatic visit. They chose Ireland as their single European stopover. There's loads of time for questions about their human rights record etc. Kenny even said that he'll be raising those questions when he visits China soon.

What questions would the media be asking him anyway? I don't remember that Queen or Obama doing any press conferences on their visits.

No major power in history has ever cared about human rights, why should the Chinese?

Nodin

Yakult wrote: »

Will he shoot a ping pong ball out he's gee?

Enda? No, hes too uptight.

SafeSurfer

KeithAFC wrote: »

China is one of the most powerful and biggest countries in the world. They are hardly going to pay much attention to what what Republic of Ireland has to say. Plus with all the latest scandalous stories coming out in recent years about Priests and cover ups and so on, it would be very easy for the vice President of China to ignore any complaints.

The clerical abuse scandal while deplorable pales in comparison with Chinese abuses of human rights in recent years.

Freedom of the press.

Freedom of Religion.

Freedom of Movement.

Falun Gong.

Tibet.

Not to mention Tienanmen Square.

But don't worry spineless Enda will not mention a thing about human rights to the Chinese no.2.

SafeSurfer

They should send in Martin. He speaks their language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5Rcc17eb8

Doc Ruby

KeithAFC wrote: »

Plus with all the latest scandalous stories coming out in recent years about Priests and cover ups and so on, it would be very easy for the vice President of China to ignore any complaints.

The Republic, Keith, unlike Northern Ireland, has moved on in the last 60 years. Or the last 600 years if you like.

patrickn

Maybe its a coincidence that he arrives in one bailout country about to sell off part of energy companies as part of Troika deal, a couple of months after China invested in another bailout country, namely a Portugese energy company.

My name is URL

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

No major power in history has ever cared about human rights, why should the Chinese?

That's terribly fallacious. Just because some people have done bad things before; it shouldn't give others the freedom or justification to continue to do the same.

oppenheimer1

My name is URL wrote: »

That's terribly fallacious. Just because some people have done bad things before; it shouldn't give others the freedom or justification to continue to do the same.

Why should we only choose to hold the Chinese to account and not the UK or the USA?

Is it because they are not on "our" side?

EdgarAllenPoo

It gives Enda a chance to lick some serious arse plus it's an attempt to put a polite face on the chinese government to all the chinese living here so they'll tell their family back home what a great guy he is.

Least that's.what my (chinese) wife said when she heard he was coming here.

My name is URL

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Why should we only choose to hold the Chinese to account and not the UK or the USA?

Is it because they are not on "our" side?

I don't think so. What do you mean by "on our side"?

We should hold up all instances of human rights abuses as examples of why it shouldn't be tolerated. I don't think any sane or rational person would excuse one country's abuses over anothers, just because of some separately held ideology.

fwiw, I have no problem with this visit, and don't think the guy needs to be grilled about that stuff while over here. There's other avenues for nations to go through in order to bring up that stuff. Having closer ties with the country you take issue with tends to make them take you more seriously when discussing that stuff.

hmmm

This is a huge deal, this guy is the next President of China and is coming here for 3 days.

Gilmore should be locked up for the duration.

SafeSurfer

I wonder what pub they will bring him to.

dvpower

EdgarAllenPoo wrote: »

It gives Enda a chance to lick some serious arse plus it's an attempt to put a polite face on the chinese government to all the chinese living here so they'll tell their family back home what a great guy he is.

This all sounds well and good. We strengthen relationships with the largest growing economy in the world and we make the Chinese people living here happy.

So why is it 'licking arse'?

fryup

They should get Brendan Grace to entertain him, that would enhance diplomatic relations between the two countries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEeeqCihFI

Sindri

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The wealthier the wider population of China becomes the more people will agitate for greater freedom and the less the regime will be able to do about it imho.

I don't know, they get away with a lot as long as they keep providing for the dear proletariat, which they are. It'll be when their property bubble bursts, that I suspect they'll handle, we'll see more social disorder.