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Sexism in advertising......

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  • #32
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    I'm all for banning these type of ads, if it means I don't have to look at David Beckhams crotch every corner I turn. It's f*ckin everywhere the last few weeks, plus I think he's meant to be selling to men... go figure that one out!


  • #33
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    LittleBook wrote: »
    My problem with the ads isn't that they're sexist but that they're demeaning to Ryanair cabin crew (not the "models").
    The "models" are real crew as far as I know. There was an article about it in the paper a while ago. I don't see how it's demeaning to them, they wanted to do that ad. Same way they did the Ryanair calendar!


  • #34
    Dana Wooden Hobo
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Dana Wooden Hobo


    summerskin wrote: »
    funny how the diet coke ads featuring men stripping to the waist on a "diet coke break" while women ogled him and made suggestive comments were never pulled for being sexist....

    funny how men always refer to an ad from about 2 decades ago when they want to counter sexism ads
    if that's all you got... :confused:

    in any case i didnt get the fuss over the hunky dory ones or this one etc
    nothing wrong with it


  • #35
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    If it was an ad series which included scantily clad male cabin crew in some and scantily clad female cabin crew in others then I doubt the ad would/could have been pulled...


  • #36
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    I haven't seen the Ryanair ad, but I can't imagine it's any more revealing or in your face than H&Ms ads with Beckham?


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  • #37
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I like looking at scantily clad wimmins. They don't make me think I want to hop on a plane to some not so far flung destination. The only problem with the ad in my opinion is the lack of a definitive relationship between the product and the setting of the ad.

    Well, the product is a ticket on a ryanair flight and the advertisement suggests your cabin crew could look like the model in the ad. You like ogling women, so why not get on a short flight and ogle a real live one in a restricted environment?
    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    We've come a long way since ads like this::D

    http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a96674_WomanCanOpenIt.jpg

    ... or this:

    http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a96674_ifyourhusband.jpg

    How come all your posts seem to start with this icon: :cool: ?

    Even when it's just a post with links that don't work?


  • #38
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    bluewolf wrote: »
    funny how men always refer to an ad from about 2 decades ago when they want to counter sexism ads
    if that's all you got... :confused:
    2 decades? There's a new diet coke ad released every few years with woman drooling over men on their diet coke break. There's also the aero melt ad and more.


  • #39
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    bluewolf wrote: »
    funny how men always refer to an ad from about 2 decades ago when they want to counter sexism ads
    if that's all you got... :confused:

    in any case i didnt get the fuss over the hunky dory ones or this one etc
    nothing wrong with it

    There's hundreds of examples of scantily clad (or even naked) guys used to sell product through advertising.

    The fact that guys don't seem to remember much is a testement to the fact that we don't give a sh1te if sexy guys are used to sell things. What's the big deal?

    I'm serious when I say that most of these complaints made (by ladies) stem from their own insecurities!


  • #40
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I doubt anyone really gives a flying ****, to be honest. A lot of people like to pretend to be offended for some reason. I prefer to avoid any contact with such people.


  • #41
    Batsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Batsy


    I don't if anyone saw this story but basically Ryanair have had to pull one of their ads because there were lots of complaints to the affect that it was sexist and offensive to women.


    Yet, despite this, the fact majority of television adverts are sexist against men.


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  • #42
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    I thought the complaint re Ryan Air stemmed from female cabin crew objecting to the fact that only female cabin crew were being used?


  • #43
    Dana Wooden Hobo
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Dana Wooden Hobo


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    There's hundreds of examples of scantily clad (or even naked) guys used to sell product through advertising.

    The fact that guys don't seem to remember much is a testement to the fact that we don't give a sh1te if sexy guys are used to sell things. What's the big deal?
    summerskin wrote: »
    funny how the diet coke ads featuring men stripping to the waist on a "diet coke break" while women ogled him and made suggestive comments were never pulled for being sexist....

    If it's not a big deal then why bring it up every time a woman has a problem?
    "yeah well what about male ads"
    "well what about them"
    "we don't care about them"
    okay ?


  • #44
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    bluewolf wrote: »
    If it's not a big deal then why bring it up every time a woman has a problem?
    "yeah well what about male ads"
    "well what about them"
    "we don't care about them"
    okay ?
    Just to prove that you don't hear people complain about it when it's a man. And that there's double standards. But for arguments sake, next time there's an ad with a half naked man we should get an AH petition and send it to RTE or whoever to see what happens.


  • #45
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    bluewolf wrote: »
    If it's not a big deal then why bring it up every time a woman has a problem?
    "yeah well what about male ads"
    "well what about them"
    "we don't care about them"
    okay ?

    Why bring it up? Because it's relevant to the discussion. it's an example of sex selling.

    I think that's pretty obvious. I'm not sure how you fail to see this.


  • #46
    Dana Wooden Hobo
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Dana Wooden Hobo


    smash wrote: »
    Just to prove that you don't hear people complain about it when it's a man.
    Because men don't care, apparently. So complaining would be just a tad petulant.
    Some women do seem to care, even if I disagree with them.

    But for arguments sake, next time there's an ad with a half naked man we should get an AH petition and send it to RTE or whoever to see what happens.

    Great. Why don't you start with all the posters on this thread that have a problem with the ryanair ad and wanted it pulled?


  • #47
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    smash wrote: »
    Just to prove that you don't hear people complain about it when it's a man. And that there's double standards. But for arguments sake, next time there's an ad with a half naked man we should get an AH petition and send it to RTE or whoever to see what happens.

    Also, why is it that these women who complain seem to ONLY complain when it's a woman being sexy?

    When was the last time you heard of a load of women writing letters saying that David Beckham shouldn't be objectified?


  • #48
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Some women do seem to care, even if I disagree with them.
    Seems like some women need to change channel when that ad comes on, or just simply get a life!

    :D


  • #49
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Because men don't care, apparently. So complaining would be just a tad petulant.
    Some women do seem to care, even if I disagree with them.

    A lot of these women don't "care" though do they? Let's be honest!

    They complain out of jealousy and insecurity, wouldn't you agree?


  • #50
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    Napper Hawkins wrote: »
    The way I see it, the scantily clad women/men being 'objectified' in these ads don't seem to have a problem with it and more than likely get paid handsomely for it too.

    So why should anyone else?

    Change the channel, turn off your tv or get a ****ing grip and realise that the world isn't how you think it should be. (that's not directed at you, Feisar)

    That's a poor argument for anything, just because the people appearing in an ad, any ad, don't have a problem with it that you know of doesn't mean nobody else should have a problem.
    The fact that "the world isn't how you think it should be" is a poor argument, by that logic we'd never try to improve anything.

    I have little problem with these ads, but those arguments are weak.
    Batsy wrote: »
    Yet, despite this, the fact majority of television adverts are sexist against men.


    No they're not. The majority of television ads are not offensive to anyone at all, group or individual.


  • #51
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Amusingly the ad at the bottom of this thread for me currently is a female model sporting American Apparel lingerie.


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  • #52
    Batsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Batsy


    No they're not. The majority of television ads are not offensive to anyone at all, group or individual.

    The majority of television ads in Britain are sexist towards men. These adverts usually involve some sour-faced harridan - who looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp - doing something awful to some bloke who is portrayed as being hapless, gormless and a bit thick.

    The worst ones at the moment are the adverts for Boots, with their annoying "Here Come The Girls" by The Sugababes theme tune. The one I've got in my head at the moment is the one that ends with the line “when he’s ill and you don’t have time to be – get cold and flu products for just 99p at Boots”.


  • #53
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    doesn't mean nobody else should have a problem.

    I'd love to know exactly what their problems are. How exactly is it sexist or demeaning or indecent? You see worse walking down any high street or through any shopping centre.


  • #54
    Bad Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    ixoy wrote: »
    Amusingly the ad at the bottom of this thread for me currently is a female model sporting American Apparel lingerie.

    Was just going to post something similar - I saw an ad with two women having a pillow fight and a guy watching. :D

    At least, that's what I think I saw!


  • #55
    Katgurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭Katgurl


    I thought the hunky dorys ad was hilarious. I love looking at beautiful people on tv, I'm sick of all this everyone is beautiful movement, celebrating real women etc, models should look better than the average person, that's why they are paid to model.

    However, promoting the staff (not models) for their looks, not the work they do is offensive. If my boss sent my photo out to clients and said "this is a reason why you should use us" I would be bulling.


  • #56
    LittleBook
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭LittleBook


    smash wrote: »
    The "models" are real crew as far as I know. There was an article about it in the paper a while ago. I don't see how it's demeaning to them, they wanted to do that ad. Same way they did the Ryanair calendar!

    Yes, that's why I said "they're demeaning to Ryanair cabin crew (not the "models")."


  • #57
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    ixoy wrote: »
    Amusingly the ad at the bottom of this thread for me currently is a female model sporting American Apparel lingerie.

    I'm going to guess it's doing nothing for you :D


  • #58
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Some women do seem to care, even if I disagree with them.

    But the fact that some women care and more-or-less no man does the whole argument of equality in advertising is undermined.

    It's inherently flawed. They can't be equal when both sides have different fundamental ideas on what's sexist and what's not.


  • #59
    Napper Hawkins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    That's a poor argument for anything, just because the people appearing in an ad, any ad, don't have a problem with it that you know of doesn't mean nobody else should have a problem.
    The fact that "the world isn't how you think it should be" is a poor argument, by that logic we'd never try to improve anything.

    I have little problem with these ads, but those arguments are weak.

    So you disagree with me that people offended by this ****e need to get a grip? Ok.


  • #60
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    Batsy wrote: »
    The majority of television ads in Britain are sexist towards men. These adverts usually involve some sour-faced harridan - who looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp - doing something awful to some bloke who is portrayed as being hapless, gormless and a bit thick.

    Yeh, they're still not. Both your statistical analyisis and your analysis of the content are bullshít.
    Batsy wrote: »
    The worst ones at the moment are the adverts for Boots, with their annoying "Here Come The Girls" by The Sugababes theme tune.

    This shows how unreconstructed your views on this are. That series of ads is inoffensive, even if you do find it annoying. You've confused "ads I don't like" with "ads that could objectively be said to be offensive or discriminatory".


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  • #61
    Bad Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    LittleBook wrote: »
    Yes, that's why I said "they're demeaning to Ryanair cabin crew (not the "models")."

    You say they're demeaning to the cabin crew, what do you say to those women who might disagree with you?


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