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I have no-one to vote for...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Morlar wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, can you name an Irish politician, (alive or dead) who you would be 100% comfortable voting for ?

    Hmmmmmm.....there must be one......


    James Connolly
    Con Markievicz
    Noel Browne
    Terence MacSwiney
    Mary MacSwiney


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Well thats FF, FG and Labour pretty much out.

    Greens too.

    Whats your stance on taxing the rich? How should it be balanced, tax the rich or slash hospitals, schools etc. Depending on that answer you may want to look at the ULA.

    I would say though that Sinn Féin are probably a good fit but you have ruled them out solely based on expenses, but that brings me back to what I said earlier, only fools with no minds of their own blindly support everything their party does.

    You seem to be looking for a party that exactly promotes the same views you do, one doesn't exist an will never exist unless you yourself start a party and limit its membership to one person, you.

    Best of a bad lot, or run yourself :)

    I'd reccomend going along to events organised by the various parties and see how you get on

    On a human rights level I'd object to your punishment of criminals, thats for the courts to do and I'm a big believer in rehabilitation as well as democracy, if the public want to elect a master criminal then thats up to them, not for me to dictate who and who not people can vote for. Besides that I'd largely agree with you :)

    SF ruled themselves out to be honest. I am sick of people saying one thing and doing the opposite. Doherty was all talk about expenses being too high then claims 51k - you can buy a house outright in his constituency for less then that.

    I don't expect a party to fit me exactly, not by any means, but I do want then to at least practice what they bloody preach and it seems to me SF are just as guilty as the other parties in saying one thing and doing the opposite.

    I don't want to run - I had a taste of politics when I lived in London and it's a pain in the hole. I just want someone to vote for rather then 10/12 people to vote against.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Hello to my fellow Cork North-central candidate.

    Dowcha!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Has no one told you, you should vote for Pedro?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Has no one told you, you should vote for Pedro?

    If Pedro runs in Cork North Central I just might, it's between him and ThinksAmoral at the moment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    If Pedro runs in Cork North Central I just might, it's between him and ThinksAmoral at the moment.

    Great! Just remember that Pedro has a campaign t-shirt, doubt ThinksAMoral is that organized!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Always used to vote Green:o, although was away for the last term so if I return who knows?

    FF: Nope, and never have.

    FG: Might have been tempted at the last election, but their present performance isn't endearing me to them. Need a much stronger leader

    Labour: Probably consider it, depending on the strength of candidate - there's a few ok TDs in there mixed in with some goddamn awful ones (Sherlock, I'm looking at you!)

    SF: No, and this is regardless of their violent past. Very very flimsy economically, and much too populist.

    Will never vote independents or single-issue candidates.

    In the UK, choices are a little simpler, due mostly to the lack of STV-PR.

    Lib Dems: Yes, and probably will again despite their current poor showing. Seem to be suffering from being the minor party in government and Tories are able enough to pass the rap for difficult decisions which ends up affecting the swing Lab/Lib Dem vote but not their own core supporters. Absolutely got shafted on the watered-down proportional representation vote:mad:

    Lab: Spent too long in government last time (always a bad thing!) and still unsure about them - would consider voting tactically if it meant preventing Conservative getting in.

    Tories: No, although they don't actually differ much from Blair's Lab government. I trust the young breed of Tory MP much less than the old guard, just think about who might have influenced a 19yo David Cameron/George Osbourne to get involved in politics.
    Having had the pleasure of meeting Mattie a few times through work when he was just a humble Councillor - I'd have to say I'd prefer to be represented by serial crook Michael Lowry.
    Anybody who puts forward the idea of devolving more powers (taxation, budgeting, etc.) to local government should take a closer look at their county councillors.

    For all the corruption and ineptitude of our TDs, it's my view that this pales in comparison to local government. Because the media don't take the same level of interest in their activites, it's much easier to go under the radar. Look at pretty much every suspect planning decision, would be much easier to bribe/influence a few local councillors than risk it all on one TD, with greater media scrutiny, don't ya think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I believe the governed and the government have entered a social contract - we, the people, grant to then the 'powers' to rule on our behalf and they accept responsibility to do so with integrity and with the best interests of the people in mind at all times.

    When did we do that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    When did we do that?

    Technically 'we' didn't - great granny and grand daddy did it for us when the State was formed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Technically 'we' didn't - great granny and grand daddy did it for us when the State was formed.

    So do you mean you and I are constrained by something that happened before we were even alive?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    So do you mean you and I are constrained by something that happened before we were even alive?

    Yup -it's like original sin ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Yup -it's like original sin ;)

    Imaginary?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Imaginary?

    It would appear our governments certainly think it is.
    I suspect more of them actually believe in original sin then in being anyway accountable to the electorate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    It would appear our governments certainly think it is.
    I suspect more of them actually believe in original sin then in being anyway accountable to the electorate.

    I agree with you there. So if the only enforcement [of the] contract is against you and me, why do you want to continue with it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    I agree with you there. So if the only enforcement contract is against you and me, why do you want to continue with it?

    The question is what do we do when the other side isn't sticking to their side of the contract?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    So why do you feel you have to vote for any? If someone told me to choose between two options that were equally bad, nothing but abstaining can really express your disapproval. If the people who get elected are allowed to abstain from voting, then you certainly can.

    That would only work if an abstained vote counted like any other and enough abstained votes would mean that the election would have to be re-run. Expensive and nobody at the helm of the country for a longer time but in the end might help to make them actually work for our votes and remind them to keep election promises.

    As for the living expenses for TD's in Dublin - surely there must be some apartment complexes or ghost office buildings within walking distance of the Dail which could be converted into dormitory like accommodation for the TD's. Nothing fancy. Just a bed for the night and self-catering options or a cafeteria ideally run along the same lines as Ikea's. They could also get free or subsidised Bus Eireann/JJ Kavanagh tickets to go and come from their constituency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    The question is what do we do when the other side isn't sticking to their side of the contract?

    Go to the labour court?

    Seriously though, I think Ireland is better off without an institution where people get paid six-digit salaries to do a job that is not only unnecessary but harmful to the majority of us.
    That would only work if an abstained vote counted like any other and enough abstained votes would mean that the election would have to be re-run. Expensive and nobody at the helm of the country for a longer time but in the end might help to make them actually work for our votes and remind them to keep election promises.

    As for the living expenses for TD's in Dublin - surely there must be some apartment complexes or ghost office buildings within walking distance of the Dail which could be converted into dormitory like accommodation for the TD's. Nothing fancy. Just a bed for the night and self-catering options or a cafeteria ideally run along the same lines as Ikea's. They could also get free or subsidised Bus Eireann/JJ Kavanagh tickets to go and come from their constituency.

    But they have no legal obligation to keep election promises. Governments in Ireland can quite easily implement policies with few options for the rest of us other than waiting another five years to vote in someone to do the same. As long as people retain this paternalistic attitude of needing someone to make decisions on their behalves and tell them what they can and can't do, we're always going to have power-hungry politicians selling us lies and favours for votes and comfortable jobs after retirement.

    The Oireachtas isn't open 24/7 dealing with issues of urgency; they're hardly ever in work anyway and the country doesn't fall apart so I don't see how the benefit of such an expense. I don't want to try scare politicians into doing a better job. We don't even need them in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Conchir


    You could spoil your vote OP? At least then, while maybe not achieving much, it shows your dissatisfaction with all the candidates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Dracula88


    A way someone could decide who to vote for is look at each parties political spectrum. Decide if you are right or left wing ( excluding far right or left wing views ). then make an informed decision from there.


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