Hypocrisy

cloptrop · 10-02-2012 03:17AM

policarp wrote: »

When IKEA were recruiting, they got thousands of applications.
Turns out that a lot wouldn't work there, 'cause they would take a drop in income.
Something funny there. . .:D

Yeah they were only offering something like 20 hours. I cant remember the exact mount but for me at the time I would have been on 20 quid a week more than the dole. I would then have to pay for travel and lunches and stuff. It was spread over 5 days too so you would get no social welfare payments. I think it was a deal with the government.
The Interview was degrading I have spoken of it before , 30 people in a room at a time competing to make statues out of rubber bands and cardboard boxes.
They also advertised Ikea strongly throughout the 5 or 6 hour interview.
I still didnt get offered the job afterwards. I got a really camp guy on my team making the statue and he was being all dramatic. I have a trade qualification so as I was thinking now is my time to shine he was prancing about my staue trying to put glitter and **** on it and knocking it over. I got bit pissed at him. I think thats whyI didnt get it.

whatsamsn · 10-02-2012 03:17AM

I guess the moral of the story is that a greedy, sucessful company wont pay their staff an adequate wage.

Sadly nothing new there.
But of course same company wants you to work your ass off, to come in your supposed day off if need be, to fill in other areas beyond your duty. .... "But dont expect anything more than minimum wage from us!" :rolleyes:

Johro · 10-02-2012 03:20AM

Senna wrote: »

WTF is this thread about;
People who obviously aren't working full time and have to claim benefits:eek:
Not everyone has a full time job:eek:
You work in an unskilled job, you dont earn a lot:eek:
People who work part time find it difficult to pay the bills:eek:
People who work full time find it difficult to pay the bills:eek:
People cant afford to buy from where they work:eek:
Large companies dont want their staff shooting their mouth off to the media, as staff could be seen as repressing the view of the employer when in fact they probably know very little:eek:
These big companies should not make profits and instead give the money to employees:rolleyes:

I don't know... Is it too much to expect a wage you can live on for doing a full time job?

policarp · 10-02-2012 03:20AM

cloptrop wrote: »

When I was Madonna nipple erecter in the mid 80s I had to sign one of them clauses.

Sucker. . .

RichieC · 10-02-2012 03:26AM

I love how the self styled righties barge into the thread with their kneejerk "pro business" response demonstrating the fact that they show no actual thought behind their media fed "opinions"...

sarahbro · 10-02-2012 03:28AM

I don't know... Is it too much to expect a wage you can live on for doing a full time job?[/Quote]

I can afford to live off the wage i get AND i can afford to shop in Tesco without claiming benefits!

No one starts on minimum wage in Tesco. It's been too€9.27 for a while now afaik which.is a good hourly rate compared to a lot of places

cloptrop · 10-02-2012 03:31AM

[They dont pay in euros in the Uk . And Im sure they pay alot less there.

mikemac1 · 10-02-2012 03:33AM

sarahbro wrote: »

I can afford to live off the wage i get AND i can afford to shop in Tesco without claiming benefits!

No one starts on minimum wage in Tesco. It's been too€9.27 for a while now afaik which.is a good hourly rate compared to a lot of places

Issue is Sarah that Tesco keep staff on contract and hours are limited.

On that rate and a full working week it's certainly possible to get by but Tesco don't give full hours to many so you get your twenty hours or so and if you don't work the rest of the week, you have to claim jobseekers

Tesco and others would prefer to employ two staff on twenty hours each then one person full time
You are ready and available for more work so you are entitled to jobseekers

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 03:34AM

Johro wrote: »

Senna wrote: »

WTF is this thread about;
People who obviously aren't working full time and have to claim benefits:eek:
Not everyone has a full time job:eek:
You work in an unskilled job, you dont earn a lot:eek:
People who work part time find it difficult to pay the bills:eek:
People who work full time find it difficult to pay the bills:eek:
People cant afford to buy from where they work:eek:
Large companies dont want their staff shooting their mouth off to the media, as staff could be seen as repressing the view of the employer when in fact they probably know very little:eek:
These big companies should not make profits and instead give the money to employees:rolleyes:

I don't know... Is it too much to expect a wage you can live on for doing a full time job?

If someone is working a full time job and is earning minimum wage or higher and can't live off it, this is not Tesco's fault.

The person should learn to live within their means like normal people do! The Celtic Tiger died a long time ago

skinny90 · 10-02-2012 03:36AM

Johro wrote: »

Tesco profits were four billion pounds in 2011 btw. Its CEO pocketed 6.9 million.

Have you a link to that?i just did a two hour case study on tesco and it was 2bn profit even that's a pretty fair amount unless it was a different year...

Johro · 10-02-2012 03:36AM

sarahbro wrote: »

I can afford to live off the wage i get AND i can afford to shop in Tesco without claiming benefits!

No one starts on minimum wage in Tesco. It's been too€9.27 for a while now afaik which.is a good hourly rate compared to a lot of places

Well this was a BBC programme about the big four supermarkets in Britain, and what it showed was that their employees don't get paid enough to live on and need additional state benefits. Don't shoot the messenger.

stupidusername · 10-02-2012 03:38AM

I'm not seeing what's hypocrisy is going on here

And I just want to point out that minimum wage,at least in Ireland,is the minimum rate that an experienced worker must get,not just the minimum wage of anyone working,and 8.65 is for over 18's.it's not even clear if that has any relevance here,but people do seem to have the wrong idea.

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 03:39AM

cloptrop wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

you'd say they are or you know they are? Why would the government give these people hand outs if they were breaking the law?

The OP said that there was a woman working nights, 8 hours a shift. Is this 5 days a week? Are the supermarkets paying pennies or not giving enough hours? Why is it exactly they can't pay the bills and why exactly is it Tesco's fault?

Its Tescos fault because Tesco made billions in profit last year and pay their staff **** money.
Its Tescos fault because their staff have to get the dole to survive .
Its Tescos fault because they go to slovakia to recruit their managers.
Its Tescos fault because they put little stickers up saying our butter is 1.99 the lidl price is 1.99 . They dont however tell you that their piss Butter is 1.99 and lidls very nice butter is 1.99 . If you wanted piss butter youd prob get it for a euro in lidl.
Its Tescos fault because they take advantage of ll government schemes deseigned to get people back working . And using these schemes to get free labour.
Its just Tescos fault . I reckon they assaasinated John Lennon . They then threaten Enda with comments like, "you dont wanna end up like that beatle now Enda do you , make a job initiative scheme let us rape it"

The Jobbridge scheme is a completely separate issue.

As far as the rest of your post goes, its seems you just have a problem with Tesco

Johro · 10-02-2012 03:40AM

skinny90 wrote: »

Have you a link to that?i just did a two hour case study on tesco and it was 2bn profit even that's a pretty fair amount unless it was a different year...

It was said in the programme, think it was Newsnight but could've been a different current affairs programme, was on earlier, best I could tell ya is try BBC i-player. Defo said 4 billion.

MickySticks · 10-02-2012 03:41AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

The Jobbridge scheme is a complete joke.

FYP

RichieC · 10-02-2012 03:43AM

Jonro: this is a practice born in the states. Full time Walmart staff still qualifying for food stamps and other benefits. Essentially having the taxpayers footing the bill for their cheap as chips labour.

Then advertising their low low prices..

*I see what they did there*

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 03:44AM

MickySticks wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

The Jobbridge scheme is a complete joke.

FYP

I completely agree, but the thread is about.... well, seems there's 3-4 different opinions on how something is the fault of the Big Four.... but not about Jobbridge

jimmycrackcorm · 10-02-2012 03:45AM

RichieC wrote: »

I love how the self styled righties barge into the thread with their kneejerk "pro business" response demonstrating the fact that they show no actual thought behind their media fed "opinions"...

What if Tesco played the same card as the fairtrade campaign and said "if we give our employees a big wage rise will you come and pay the equivalent in price rises", how many would switch their shopping over?

cloptrop · 10-02-2012 03:48AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

The Jobbridge scheme is a completely separate issue.

As far as the rest of your post goes, its seems you just have a problem with Tesco

I explained my reasons for my problem with tescos.
What you did there was quite strange , I think you just have an affiliation with Tescos.
Somebody posted something . I agreed. You questioned my agreement. I explained it. You then accepted my explanation but said I have a problem with Tesco.
Of course I have problem with Tesco didnt you read the reasons. If I didnt have a problem with them Id be posting somewhere else.

RichieC · 10-02-2012 03:48AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

RichieC wrote: »

I love how the self styled righties barge into the thread with their kneejerk "pro business" response demonstrating the fact that they show no actual thought behind their media fed "opinions"...

What if Tesco played the same card as the fairtrade campaign and said "if we give our employees a big wage rise will you come and pay the equivalent in price rises", how many would switch their shopping over?

Works out the same since your tax is paying their employees wages shortfall.

It's about time multi billion companies start taking their fair share of the hit.

MickySticks · 10-02-2012 03:52AM

We have one of the lowest corporation tax rates in Europe so the least we can expect is for these companies to pay employees a wage they can live on.

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 03:52AM

cloptrop wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

The Jobbridge scheme is a completely separate issue.

As far as the rest of your post goes, its seems you just have a problem with Tesco

I explained my reasons for my problem with tescos.
What you did there was quite strange , I think you just have an affiliation with Tescos.
Somebody posted something . I agreed. You questioned my agreement. I explained it. You then accepted my explanation but said I have a problem with Tesco.
Of course I have problem with Tesco didnt you read the reasons. If I didnt have a problem with them Id be posting somewhere else.

Yeah, but a lot of it was off topic.

You're admitting you have a problem with Tesco for a lot of reasons. So I can't take your opinions as unbiased reasoned arguments because you're not coming from a neutral stand point. Thats all!

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 03:55AM

MickySticks wrote: »

We have one of the lowest corporation tax rates in Europe so the least we can expect is for these companies to pay employees a wage they can live on.

So tell me, do you think the problem is the wage or the hours? I mean, some are complaining they're not being paid enough for full time hours. Some are saying they're not getting hours.....

cloptrop · 10-02-2012 03:56AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah, but a lot of it was off topic.

You're admitting you have a problem with Tesco for a lot of reasons. So I can't take your opinions as unbiased reasoned arguments because you're not coming from a neutral stand point. Thats all!

I am calling into question Tescos whole charachter, why do you argue for them when they are guilty of all these points I posted.

Doc Ruby · 10-02-2012 03:57AM

cloptrop wrote: »

The Interview was degrading I have spoken of it before , 30 people in a room at a time competing to make statues out of rubber bands and cardboard boxes.

...what?

MickySticks · 10-02-2012 03:57AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

So tell me, do you think the problem is the wage or the hours?

The hours, if they aren't working 40 hours weeks the tax-payer ends up subsidizing employees.

The wage rates would be excellent if they were full time rates.

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 03:58AM

cloptrop wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah, but a lot of it was off topic.

You're admitting you have a problem with Tesco for a lot of reasons. So I can't take your opinions as unbiased reasoned arguments because you're not coming from a neutral stand point. Thats all!

I am calling into question Tescos whole charachter, why do you argue for them when they are guilty of all these points I posted.

Where did I argue for them?

I'm posting on topic you see. There's another thread for Jobbridge.

It's just that your opinion is biased that's all. You admit as much.

MrStuffins · 10-02-2012 04:02AM

MickySticks wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

So tell me, do you think the problem is the wage or the hours?

The hours, if they aren't working 40 hours weeks the tax-payer ends up subsidizing employees.

The wage rates would be excellent if they were full time rates.

indeed. its just that there are some saying what you're saying (its completely true by the way) but others saying they should be paying their Full Timers more Monet because they can't live off it and/or need subsidisation.... which isn't the case (or if they can't live off it, learn to budget)

RichieC · 10-02-2012 04:05AM

Wrong thread

StupidLikeAFox · 10-02-2012 04:08AM

MickySticks wrote: »

The hours, if they aren't working 40 hours weeks the tax-payer ends up subsidizing employees.

The wage rates would be excellent if they were full time rates.

What would be the difference in giving two people 20 hr contracts, or having one person on 40 hours and the other on the dole anyway?

In my opinion its the big companies who have dedicated HR making sure they stick to the legislation. If they are operating outside of legislation its a different story, but it seems that the problem here is that the employees are getting short contracts. You cant really force a company to employ someone full time.

Im not sure what the exact issue being raised in this thread is at all

Hypocrisy

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