What would you do with Peyton Manning?

frostie500 · 09-02-2012 04:51PM

I'd take Peyton to the 'Skins with a grain of salt but one thing that has consistently been proven if an elite QB is available everyone bar the Pats, Saints and Giants are going to be interested and viable landing spots for him.

I still think that the Dolphins are the most likely team for him though

Phoenix Park · 09-02-2012 04:52PM

As a Colts fan i'd hate to see him there. If he goes, i would like to see him have a GENUINE chance of another ring and i don't see him getting that with the Redskins, considering he may only have another season or two. I'd like the guy to go out with a bang.

adrian522 · 09-02-2012 05:14PM

frostie500 wrote: »

I'd take Peyton to the 'Skins with a grain of salt but one thing that has consistently been proven if an elite QB is available everyone bar the Pats, Saints and Giants are going to be interested and viable landing spots for him.

I still think that the Dolphins are the most likely team for him though

So you think Eli is now a better QB than Rivers, Big Ben, Rodgers?:)

There are loads of teams that are 100% set at QB for one reason or another and would not take a risk on Manning.

I think the most likely scenario is he stays at Indy. Otherwise he will need to prove that the can make throws and take hits before anyone takes a shot at him.

I think in that case Seattle, Arizona and Miami make the most sense. At a stretch maybe the Jets, but I think that's unlikely too.

HigginsJ · 09-02-2012 05:25PM

Not a chance he will be staying in Indy. Luck & the $28 millon bonus will see to that.

Flynn looks set to join his former OC in Miami, cant see Seattle taking him, they are building and i think Carroll will take someone like Tannehill/Weeden. Manning wouldnt go to the Jets. He'd never work with sexy rexy/sanchize. Browns will get RG3 in the draft.

Peytons landing spots are not that many to be fair. Redskins, possibly jags if new owner wanted to make a splash, outside of that i cant think of too many spots.

frostie500 · 09-02-2012 06:05PM

adrian522 wrote: »

So you think Eli is now a better QB than Rivers, Big Ben, Rodgers?:)

There are loads of teams that are 100% set at QB for one reason or another and would not take a risk on Manning.

No that's not what I'm saying. Obviously I'd put Rodgers in the elite ranks of QBs and everyone knows where I stand on Roethlisber but the main point I was looking to get through was just that if Manning came onto the Free Agents market he would be courted by every team in the league except the ones that have established QBs with bone fide Superbowl credentials.

Everyone outside of those teams would court Manning and he would be most prized free agent in the history of the NFL and I say that regardless of the proof available about his health. Teams have consistently paid on the basis of past production in FA and even though Manning has question marks hanging over his head there is no doubt that teams will be clamouring to sign him.

adrian522 wrote: »

I think the most likely scenario is he stays at Indy. Otherwise he will need to prove that the can make throws and take hits before anyone takes a shot at him.

I think in that case Seattle, Arizona and Miami make the most sense. At a stretch maybe the Jets, but I think that's unlikely too.

I think that there is no chance that he stays with the Colts, presuming that they pick Luck in the draft. According to NFP hey would have over $50m tied up at the QB position for next year which would be completely untenable. The only way he stays in Indy is if they go elsewhere in the draft and decide to reload the team in FA to give Manning a chance to win another ring

adrian522 · 09-02-2012 06:09PM

I think Arizona is a realistic contender for Manning, if he is fit and available. good receivers, decent defense and running game and I think Manning gets on with Ken Whisenhunt,

Also I think Arizona wouldn't mind ditching Kolb who hasn't really worked out.

Paully D · 09-02-2012 07:20PM

Themonkey wrote: »

ye good info he is going to washington thats what im hearing anyway

Is that you Rob Lowe? :eek:

GoldFour4 · 09-02-2012 07:24PM

I see on twitter that hes not able to throw to his left yet....

Chucky the tree · 09-02-2012 07:48PM

frostie500 wrote: »

No that's not what I'm saying. Obviously I'd put Rodgers in the elite ranks of QBs and everyone knows where I stand on Roethlisber but the main point I was looking to get through was just that if Manning came onto the Free Agents market he would be courted by every team in the league except the ones that have established QBs with bone fide Superbowl credentials.

Everyone outside of those teams would court Manning and he would be most prized free agent in the history of the NFL and I say that regardless of the proof available about his health. Teams have consistently paid on the basis of past production in FA and even though Manning has question marks hanging over his head there is no doubt that teams will be clamouring to sign him.

I think a lot of teams won't be interested. Pats, Saints, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Texans, Bengals, Panthers, Chargers, Falcons, Bears, Lions, Bills, Eagles, Bucs, Vikings and Rams.

HigginsJ · 09-02-2012 08:41PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I think a lot of teams won't be interested. Pats, Saints, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Texans, Bengals, Panthers, Chargers, Falcons, Bears, Lions, Bills, Eagles, Bucs, Vikings and Rams.

Cowboys, 49ers, Raiders, Broncos, Titans also wont go for him. That would leave the following options.

Colts - Unlikely - Luck & $28m Bonus
Dolphins - Unlikely - Matt Flynn lands here
Jets - Never happen from Mannings side
Jaguars - Possible as Gabbert is a wasted draft pick and new owner
Chiefs - Very possible
Cardinals - Unlikely - Kolb 1 yr into 5 year deal that they gave up alot for
Redskins - Very Possible - Owner likes to make a financial splash
Seahawks - Possible - But i feel unlikely, carroll is a college guy
Browns - Unlikely - They'll get RG3, brown wouldnt pay manning

frostie500 · 09-02-2012 08:56PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I think a lot of teams won't be interested. Pats, Saints, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Texans, Bengals, Panthers, Chargers, Falcons, Bears, Lions, Bills, Eagles, Bucs, Vikings and Rams.

Ah come on Chucky do you really think that if Manning was on the market and looking to sign with a team that someone like the Vikes wouldnt make a run at him? Considering how the likes of Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick are you saying that it wont enter the thoughts of their GMs to at least look at Manning?

I'm a huge Sam Bradford fan but he struggled last year and needs a big year. St Louis are struggling for ticket sales and having a huge name like Manning would prove a good incentive for fans to get back into the Dome. In addition to this he made huge money this year because the Rams had cap room to give him must of his guaranteed money this year. As a result he now will cost the Rams about 5m a year. Thats not a huge outlay on a player so again, even though Bradford will probably become a very good QB, do you not think that the Rams will examine Manning?

The Bucs were terrible last year and play in a division where they go up against Brees, Ryan and Newton. They need a QB and even though Josh Freeman played well two years ago the NFL is a what have you done for me lately league and 16 TDs and 22 INTs isnt anyway of giving yourself job security.

Even though Mark Sanchez earned $15m this year he now faces two years where his salary decreases dramatically so the Jets are sure to be sniffing around Manning as well. Add to this that the Broncos have very little money invested in Tebow and you can be sure that Elway is evaluating other options.

Im not saying that every team in the league will be offering Manning a contract but I can guarantee that almost every team in the league will be evaluating whether or not he would be a viable upgrade on their existing QB. And lets be honest, all things being considered, how many teams in the league would be happy to keep their existing QB in place over having an even more motivated Manning for the next four or so years?

For what its worth the teams with starters due for free agency or in the final year of their contract are the Niners, Ravens, Texans, Titans, Saints, Redskins, Dolphins, Seahawks and Chiefs

Chucky the tree · 09-02-2012 09:50PM

frostie500 wrote: »

Ah come on Chucky do you really think that if Manning was on the market and looking to sign with a team that someone like the Vikes wouldnt make a run at him? Considering how the likes of Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick are you saying that it wont enter the thoughts of their GMs to at least look at Manning?

I'm a huge Sam Bradford fan but he struggled last year and needs a big year. St Louis are struggling for ticket sales and having a huge name like Manning would prove a good incentive for fans to get back into the Dome. In addition to this he made huge money this year because the Rams had cap room to give him must of his guaranteed money this year. As a result he now will cost the Rams about 5m a year. Thats not a huge outlay on a player so again, even though Bradford will probably become a very good QB, do you not think that the Rams will examine Manning?

The Bucs were terrible last year and play in a division where they go up against Brees, Ryan and Newton. They need a QB and even though Josh Freeman played well two years ago the NFL is a what have you done for me lately league and 16 TDs and 22 INTs isnt anyway of giving yourself job security.

Even though Mark Sanchez earned $15m this year he now faces two years where his salary decreases dramatically so the Jets are sure to be sniffing around Manning as well. Add to this that the Broncos have very little money invested in Tebow and you can be sure that Elway is evaluating other options.

Im not saying that every team in the league will be offering Manning a contract but I can guarantee that almost every team in the league will be evaluating whether or not he would be a viable upgrade on their existing QB. And lets be honest, all things being considered, how many teams in the league would be happy to keep their existing QB in place over having an even more motivated Manning for the next four or so years?

For what its worth the teams with starters due for free agency or in the final year of their contract are the Niners, Ravens, Texans, Titans, Saints, Redskins, Dolphins, Seahawks and Chiefs

I'll never say never because there are some really stupid GMs out there but I'd be surprised. Why would viking take a run a Manning? They have Ponder who looks solid and it's not they a QB away from a superbowl. It makes no sense for them to invest so much money into the position for two years are top quality production. The money can used in far more productive ways.

I'm not Flacco's biggest fan but the Ravens aren't going to give up on him after the year he had, he played well in the play-offs and unless Manning learns to catch or take field goals he won't be a huge upgrade. Again if they go after Manning and just dump Flacco in two year time they'll simply be looking for another QB. Makes far more sense for them to invest the money into a WR, Ray Rice and the defense. Fitzpatrick is on to much money, the cap need of getting rid of him and taking on Manning will make upgrading their average team difficult, again they are more then a QB away from the superbowl.

Bradford isn't great but do you really pump $50m into a player just to dump him after two years? Considering they'll simply be back to square one again in another few years this make no sense for them and would be a pretty terrible move again for a team who are long way off a superbowl even with a top QB. Poor Oline and bad WRs is the last situation you want to put Manning into.

The Bucs are known for their big name free agent signings so I don't see that changing, can the Glazers even afford it? Not to mention their team is pretty talent starved so a QB isn't turning this ship around. Freeman has shown clear potential, I don't know why you'd give up on that now.

Jets and Broncos are possibilties, never said they weren't. I just think you over-estimating the value of a very old QB for certain teams. I can see a number of teams making a play for him because they'll feel they are close but lack a QB(Jets, Titans, Dolphins, chiefs) but I think most won't see the value in spunking a huge amount of money on a guy who'll give you probably 2-3 years at most.

matthew8 · 09-02-2012 09:53PM

kmart6 wrote: »

No, it's not easy to mix them up if you know who and what your talking about!

So were they a bad team last year when they went 10-6?

Yes they were. They got half their wins against a suckish AFC West and a Titans team in freefall. Without Mathis, Saturday and Wayne it will be hard for even Peyton Manning to do anything.

HigginsJ · 09-02-2012 10:04PM

Ok Smith, Flacco, Brees, Schaub wont be let near free agency even if they have to be franchised.

Titans will be moving on with locker so rule that out.

Just because Peyton Manning will be out there majority of GM's wont go near him. I'd say at least 75% teams wont go near Manning. It's a 2 year deal for a guy who will also want to bring a number of guys with him (Wayne, Saturday, Freeney & possibly Clark). So 1st of all you will need cap space.

You then need a head coach/oc who will be want to hand over complete control to Manning. Peyton calls his own plays.

If you have a young QB no-one is going to stunt their developement and risk losing them at the end of the contract. Bradford, Tebow, Ponder, Locker, Freeman, Dalton etc. are all safe.

Only young qb's under pressure would be Gabbert (as most observers feel he cant make it as he cant face up to pass rush) & Sanchez.

frostie500 · 09-02-2012 10:06PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Jets and Broncos are possibilties, never said they weren't. I just think you over-estimating the value of a very old QB for certain teams. I can see a number of teams making a play for him because they'll feel they are close but lack a QB(Jets, Titans, Dolphins, chiefs) but I think most won't see the value in spunking a huge amount of money on a guy who'll give you probably 2-3 years at most.

But the point Im making isnt whether or not 20 teams in the league will make an offer for Peyton its more that the majority of teams in the league will have to consider him. I dont for a second think that Manning is likely to land in the likes of St Louis, Buffalo, Atlanta or teams that have money/recent draft picks invested in QBs but I do think that at some level their GMs will bring up discussions about Manning.

Just in relation to two of the teams that you mentioned, the Viking and Ravens, I would say that Ponder looked solid but given the success of their signing of Favre they will surely kick the tyres of Manning. Ponder has three years left on his deal and sitting behind Manning for 2-3 years would be hugely benefical for him.

And in fairness even though the Ravens got to the AFC Championship game I dont remember too many people commenting about Flacco in a positive light for much of the year. He was subpar for this year and needs to do a lot to justify being the QB for a contender. Given the QBs that Baltimore has had over the years the chance of actually having a functional offence might prove tempting enough for them to get into the race.

Like I said I know that not every team in the league, for for that matter the majority of teams wont make an offer for Manning but all I'm saying is that they will examine him and see if he offers a better solution at QB than their current starter.

I think that you're looking at who will actually offer him a deal, and I agree with most of what your saying, whereas I'm just looking at it from the perspective of "If Im GM of Team X does Manning offer us a better chance of winning a title."

mikemac1 · 09-02-2012 10:12PM

Not a chance the Ravens will go for Manning

They do not have the cap room.
Ray Rice has to be signed, Ben Grubbs LG, Ladarius Webb who is the best corner in the AFC North.

And Flacco's deal ends next year.

Ravens spent a long, long time cycling through has beens and second rate QBs. They finally have their franchise QB and while he may have to wait several months to get his deal, he will get it.

Nobody claims he's elite, he has a long way to go yet. But fans are confident about his future.
No thanks to Manning

kmart6 · 09-02-2012 10:18PM

Merge the 2 Manning threads maybe!?

frostie500 · 09-02-2012 10:18PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Just because Peyton Manning will be out there majority of GM's wont go near him. I'd say at least 75% teams wont go near Manning. It's a 2 year deal for a guy who will also want to bring a number of guys with him (Wayne, Saturday, Freeney & possibly Clark). So 1st of all you will need cap space.

You then need a head coach/oc who will be want to hand over complete control to Manning. Peyton calls his own plays.

Like I said above, Im looking at it from a different angle to yourself and Chucky. I agree with most of what both of you are saying but what makes you think that Peyton would demand to bring with him players? There is no logical reason why you would think that.

HigginsJ wrote: »

If you have a young QB no-one is going to stunt their developement and risk losing them at the end of the contract. Bradford, Tebow, Ponder, Locker, Freeman, Dalton etc. are all safe.

Only young qb's under pressure would be Gabbert (as most observers feel he cant make it as he cant face up to pass rush) & Sanchez.

Do you really think after all that happened this year in Denver that Tebow is lock solid safe? Elway consistently talked him down throughout the campaign and even though Tebow showed that he can be a starter in the league did he do enough to show that he is the unquestioned future franchise QB of the Broncos? I dont even think the biggest Tebow fans out there would think that.

Again I agree with you that the likes of the Rams, Bucs, Bengals and Panthers arent going to make a move for Manning because they have young QBs that have shown great potential. I just think that at some point they will examine him Manning and see what he could potentially offer them.

But I dont see how the likes of the Vikings to be convinced of Ponder and the Titans to be married to Locker instead of Manning. Both players played well last year, and I've said as much in other threads, but with little money on the table due to the new rookie contracts they will surely look at Manning and see if he is healthy enough to lead a team in the NFL.

Both teams need more pieces but the Vikings will think that the Favre experiment nearly worked and Manning, AP and Harvin would be a pretty explosive offence to pair with Jared Allen on defence. The Titans would be looking at Manning and CJ2K on offence and suddenly in a weak AFC South they become are real contender.

Neil3030 · 09-02-2012 10:21PM

Manning threads merged

kmart6 · 09-02-2012 10:31PM

matthew8 wrote: »

They got half their wins against a suckish AFC West

They can only beat what's put in front of them! San Diego beat the Ravens that season

matthew8 wrote: »

a Titans team in freefall.

Generally beat the Titans most years as we are the better team, as for them being in free fall we only beat them by a combined 5 points over the two games! Titans beat the Ravens that season too so should that take away from Baltimore's overall record?!

matthew8 wrote: »

Without Mathis, Saturday and Wayne it will be hard for even Peyton Manning to do anything.

Not necessarily, Saturday has been good but is getting to the end of his career and there's talk of a front office job...wouldn't take much away from the team performance him not being there! Mathis, yeah he's a Pro Bowler so that'll be a loss, but still have Freeney, not many teams are that lucky to have 2 elite pass rushers! As much and all as I'd like to see Wayne stay if he wants to go for money to finish his career off with him, would prefer to get a young WR in who will be around for years than tie money up in Wayne for another year or two!

kmart6 · 09-02-2012 10:32PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

Manning threads merged

Thanks!

matthew8 · 09-02-2012 10:39PM

They can only beat what's put in front of them! San Diego beat the Ravens that season

They didn't play that season, they played this season.

Generally beat the Titans most years as we are the better team, as for them being in free fall we only beat them by a combined 5 points over the two games! Titans beat the Ravens that season too so should that take away from Baltimore's overall record?!

Again the Titans played the Ravens this year not that year, and even though they were in freefall they were only beaten by 5 points (though in one of those Titans got a consolation score as time expired). But the point is they just aren't a good team.

Not necessarily, Saturday has been good but is getting to the end of his career and there's talk of a front office job...wouldn't take much away from the team performance him not being there! Mathis, yeah he's a Pro Bowler so that'll be a loss, but still have Freeney, not many teams are that lucky to have 2 elite pass rushers! As much and all as I'd like to see Wayne stay if he wants to go for money to finish his career off with him, would prefer to get a young WR in who will be around for years than tie money up in Wayne for another year or two!

Saturday not playing will definitely have an effect on the team. I see no motivation to be Manning playing for the Colts, I would literally prefer any other team in the league.

kmart6 · 09-02-2012 10:53PM

My bad, looking at wrong year!

I just don't understand your thinking behind that! There's a strong enough WR corp when healthy even without Wayne, pass rush is strong, secondary needs improvement which I think it will get with the new coaching staff!

I'm not making any predictions on next season as there is going to be a huge difference between a fully healthy Manning and Luck...coupled with FA still has to be sorted and the roster finalised!

neilster · 10-02-2012 02:10PM

good stuff here

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120209_peyton_predicament_part_3_9076

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As the Winter of Peyton continues with an expected divorce from the Colts (irreconcilable differences?), I have received scores of questions about the financial ramifications of such a move to the Colts. I will try to answer these both from a cash perspective and by pulling down the curtain on the closely guarded mechanics of the salary cap. Stay with me here …

Cash

As discussed previously, releasing Manning represents a significant and dramatic cash savings to the Colts. Were the option exercised, the team would be required to pay Manning a $28 million option payment plus a $7.4 million salary, for a total of $35.4 million in 2012. That combined with the $26.4 million he received in 2011, would mean a combined $61.8 million over two seasons.</STRONG>

Salaries of $8.4, $9.4 and $10.4 million in 2013, 2014, and 2015 follow this year’s salary, although none of these amounts are guaranteed.

Were Manning to be terminated – his contract, not him – all of these numbers would be deleted from the Colts’ ledgers.

Thus, on a cash basis, the Colts would save $35.4 million in 2012 and $74 million over the next four years. And, as the Colts plan for the future, approximately $15 million of the 2012 savings and $23 million of the four-year savings will be allocated to the presumed top pick in the NFL draft, Andrew Luck.

Again, if somehow, contrary to all indications, the Colts exercise the option on Manning and draft Luck, the combined cash to the two players – who play the same position – would be close to $51 million paid in 2012. Paying $51 million for two players at the same position, only one of which will play, is untenable.

Salary cap

The cap consequences to a Manning release are a bit more complicated.

One of the main features of Manning’s contract when it was negotiated in July was a $20 million signing bonus at its inception. As per the NFL salary cap – unchanged in the new CBA – signing bonuses are prorated over the length of the contract. Thus, the cap charge for Manning’s signing bonus – before adding any salary – is $4 million per year every year from 2011-2015.

Peyton Manning missed all of the 2012 season following neck surgery.
(AP Photo)

Remaining signing bonus proration accelerates upon release of a player. Thus, were Manning released, the entire remaining unamortized bonus – $16 million – would accelerate into the 2012 cap. This charge is commonly referred to as "dead money”: amounts on a team’s cap for players no longer on the roster.

During my nine years in Green Bay, I was always conscious of making sure that when our Peyton Manning – Brett Favre – either retired or was traded (releasing him was never a thought), the cap acceleration of his contract would not cripple the team. There are graveyards of dead money charges above $10 million upon the retirements/releases/trades of players such as John Elway, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Steve McNair, etc. His "dead money" charge to the Packers’ cap upon being traded to the Jets was $600,000 (shameless tooting of my horn!)

The Option Treatment

The cap treatment of the option bonus, due to its timing, is rather unique. Since, as mentioned above, it is due and payable within the 2011 League Year, the option amount is prorated into 2011 as well as future years of the contract. Thus, $5.6 million – 1/5th of the $28 million option bonus – was allocated as a cap charge in every year of the original contract.

In the event Manning is released, the cap charges for the option will come off the books, meaning the $5.6 million charge for 2012 will be deleted and the $5.6 million charge for 2011 – Manning had a $17 million cap charge in 2011 – will then become a credit to the 2012 cap, reducing the Colts’ cap charge on Manning by that amount.

So what is Manning’s 2012 Cap charge if the expected divorce ensues?

The damage: $16 million (the amount of accelerated bonus proration) minus $5.6 million (the amount of credited option bonus proration) EQUALS $10.4 million.

Thus, if the Colts move on from Manning, the consequences of the contract signed five months ago will be $26.4 million in cash and $10.4 million in leftover cap charges.

Test coming soon"

HigginsJ · 10-02-2012 04:40PM

If Manning cant come back from the surgeries, would many teams be willing to make him QB coach/OC in the next offseason?

Chardee MacDennis · 10-02-2012 05:35PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

If Manning cant come back from the surgeries, would many teams be willing to make him QB coach/OC in the next offseason?

he wont coach apparently, outside of playing he'll only do TV as he doesn't enjoy the long hours from what i've heard

HigginsJ · 10-02-2012 05:55PM

Pity. You'd imagine he make a good OC (he has been his own for a decade anyway!!)

matthew8 · 10-02-2012 06:03PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Pity. You'd imagine he make a good OC (he has been his own for a decade anyway!!)

He'd be far better than Cam Cameron I'd say.

Sean The Lad · 10-02-2012 06:07PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I think a lot of teams won't be interested. Pats, Saints, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Texans, Bengals, Panthers, Chargers, Falcons, Bears, Lions, Bills, Eagles, Bucs, Vikings and Rams.

ur on a different planet lad

Chucky the tree · 12-02-2012 09:02PM

Sean The Lad wrote: »

ur on a different planet lad

A fine contribution, well done.

What would you do with Peyton Manning?

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