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50 thousand dole scroungers?

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  • #32
    Executive Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,373 ✭✭✭Executive Steve


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the fact ireland has pubs open before lunchtime and our heroin problem proves that we have a lot of dole scroungers


    Lol, last thread I opened on this board five minutes ago had you giving out about the lack of free market capitalism in this country, and here you are complaining about markets?


  • #33
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the fact ireland has pubs open before lunchtime and our heroin problem proves that we have a lot of dole scroungers

    hahahahaha, what a statement:rolleyes:


  • #34
    patwicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    micropig wrote: »
    Well I used to run Anglo Irish bank.............now I just play golf??

    ah hi Sean now about that loan you were gonna give me...


  • #35
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    If someone was to go out and shoot 50000 random people in the face would that make you happy OP?


  • #36
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the fact ireland has pubs open before lunchtime and our heroin problem proves that we have a lot of dole scroungers

    I'm surprised you have a problem with pubs opening before lunchtime, didn't you identify allowing off-licences to open 24 hours a day as a potential solution to getting us out of the recession?


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  • #37
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the fact ireland has pubs open before lunchtime and our heroin problem proves that we have a lot of dole scroungers

    450,000 junkies in pubs before lunchtime.


  • #38
    SHOVELLER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭SHOVELLER


    Whatever about scroungers I would estimate the number of unemployable would be in the high 5 figures.


  • #39
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    stovelid wrote: »
    For shift workers and tourists maybe?

    Jesus, bit Celtic Tiger isn't it? Mr opulence going to the pub before work! La Dee Da! Few tinnies of Dutch before a shift would cost you half the price.


  • #40
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    I'm surprised you have a problem with pubs opening before lunchtime, didn't you identify allowing off-licences to open 24 hours a day as a potential solution to getting us out of the recession?

    Great idea. It's stupid the government can dictate what times you can do stuff. If you can buy fags at 4am you should be able to buy booze.


  • #41
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    I'm surprised you have a problem with pubs opening before lunchtime, didn't you identify allowing off-licences to open 24 hours a day as a potential solution to getting us out of the recession?

    i dont have a problem with pubs being open before lunch, im just using it as evidence that ireland definitley has dole scroungers, if there wasnt a market, the pub wouldnt be open


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  • #42
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    I'm surprised you have a problem with pubs opening before lunchtime, didn't you identify allowing off-licences to open 24 hours a day as a potential solution to getting us out of the recession?

    i dont have a problem with pubs being open before lunch, im just using it as evidence that ireland definitley has dole scroungers, if there wasnt a market, the pub wouldnt be open

    That proves nothing - why would you assume that people in bars before lunch are "dole scroungers". They could be tourists, shift workers, or simply on a day off. A lot of pubs don't bother opening until lunchtime or later afternoon outside the cities now, so if there is a market, it's a pretty small one.


  • #43
    kevmol88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭kevmol88


    The rich have convinced the middle class to blame dutch gold guy. The oldest trick in the book works again.


  • #44
    starviewadams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Terrible Joe,all them dole scroungers ruining our econmomy,the gall on them,some of them are even African,and they get 36 free prams and 6 tonne of cheese a month Joe,I heard that from my friends sister's mates cousin Joe so it's definitelt true,layabouts the lot of them,should be made to wipe us,who are paying their wages,arses Joe,on a daily basis too Joe.


  • #45
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    If someone was to go out and shoot 50000 random people in the face would that make you happy OP?



    just shooting you in the face would make me happy ;)



    seriously though i dont really have a problem with the dole scoungers really, sounds like a pretty miserable existance to me anyways.


    I was just wondering is it really the epidemic people make out as on many posts on boards. Like a previous poster said 'i pulled some statsitcs out of me arse' there could be 500 or 50k (was a little **** stirring i admit) but ya have to start a thread with a little controversy :p



    anyways sorry i started another dole thread, apologies, maybe a dole forum should be created, anyone? :p


  • #46
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    davet82 wrote: »



    anyways sorry i started another dole thread, apologies, maybe a dole forum should be created, anyone? :p

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=861


    :p


  • #47
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    darokane wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=861:D

    oooopppppppppps :D


  • #48
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    davet82 wrote: »
    Are these the career scroungers we see people talking about in many posts on boards?

    What about people looking to scrounge money off the state to pay for their houses?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74624189


  • #49
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    wes wrote: »
    I am sure the banker scoungers probably cost us more than those 50,000 ;).

    wanna bet? those 50k (and its probably more to be honest) cost us about 2.4billion a year.

    multiply that by their lifetime on the dole, the taxes they are not paying and the other benifits that they get for free and you want be long making up our banking hole.

    we are having a banking crisis every 3 or 4 years due to our social budget, yet people keep ignoring this.


  • #50
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    What about people looking to scrounge money off the state to pay for their houses?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74624189

    what an idiot, did you even read that thread? A loan off the council which is paid back with interest as a backup plan in case i dont get a approval off a bank, which i did by the way, isnt scrounging


  • #51
    Father Damo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Father Damo


    lastlaugh wrote: »
    According to the latest figures I've just pulled from my arse, 64% of those 150,000 are Travellers and Eastern Europeans (mainly Roma) who claim fraudulently several times in different names


    With a traveller population of around 30 odd thousand, and about 90% of the adults on the dole during the boom, with some undoubtedtly making multiple claims under the identities of deceased/ emigrated relatives of around the same age, your random statistics actually arent massively off the mark.

    64% would be 80,000 odd.

    Roughly 20,000 of these being unemployed adult travellers.

    A significant percentage of them making multiple claims.

    Classic :pac: Left wing "pulled out of my arse" piss take turns out more truthful than you would imagine.


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  • #52
    starbelgrade
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    davet82 wrote: »
    what an idiot, did you even read that thread? A loan off the council which is paid back with interest as a backup plan in case i dont get a approval off a bank, which i did by the way, isnt scrounging

    Yes, I read the thread & it's apparent to me that you seem to be suffering from a severe case of double standards. On one hand, you slate people who benefit from state benefits as "scroungers" and on the other, you are looking for a dig out from the government to help you buy a house.

    The fact that one is a loan which is paid back is irrelevant as the principal is the same.

    I don't think that you're a scrounger by the way - I merely wished to highlight the blatant hypocrisy of your original post. And in addition to that, if you are sloppy enough tar everyone with the one brush, then don't be so surprised if you end up with some of that tar on yourself.

    Oh - and another thing.. if you can't debate a point without resorting to slinging insults, then stay out of it... next time you insult me, it will be reported.


  • #53
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Yes, I read the thread & it's apparent to me that you seem to be suffering from a severe case of double standards. On one hand, you slate people who benefit from state benefits as "scroungers" and on the other, you are looking for a dig out from the government to help you buy a house.

    The fact that one is a loan which is paid back is irrelevant as the principal is the same.

    I don't think that you're a scrounger by the way - I merely wished to highlight the blatant hypocrisy of your original post. And in addition to that, if you are sloppy enough tar everyone with the one brush, then don't be so surprised if you end up with some of that tar on yourself.

    Oh - and another thing.. if you can't debate a point without resorting to slinging insults, then stay out of it... next time you insult me, it will be reported.


    sorry please quote me on slatting 'dole scroungers', i know you like to spend your time going through old posts so leave any 'tongue n cheek' comments alone from other threads before you start, where on this thread have i slatted anybody???????

    i never applied for any housing scheme, i posted a question, about a great scheme in my opinion for hard working people who are being refused by banks... people who want to pay there way by working should be helped, is that not the whole point of any 'leg up' schemes? So no hypocrisy there. Big difference in the type of people we're talking about here.

    you seem to miss what i was trying to ask here, is there an army of 'dole scroungers' out there? i see it posted all the time and i just started a discussion by pushing a few buttons maybe to see where this info was coming from...

    dole scroungers is not taring everyone with same brush by the way, people who refuse to work and sit at home with no aspirations in life other than to collect the dole are the defination 'dole scroungers', good luck to them too, i just wanted to know how many there were :confused:

    ok i apologise for the insult but your post was idiotic then, hows that for ya


  • #54
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    davet82 wrote: »
    sorry please quote me on slatting 'dole scroungers', i know you like to spend your time going through old posts so leave any 'tongue n cheek' comments alone from other threads before you start, where on this thread have i slatted anybody???????

    i never applied for any housing scheme, i posted a question, about a great scheme in my opinion for hard working people who are being refused by banks... people who want to pay there way by working should be helped, is that not the whole point of any 'leg up' schemes? So no hypocrisy there. Big difference in the type of people we're talking about here.

    you seem to miss what i was trying to ask here, is there an army of 'dole scroungers' out there? i see it posted all the time and i just started a discussion by pushing a few buttons maybe to see where this info was coming from...

    dole scroungers is not taring everyone with same brush by the way, people who refuse to work and sit at home with no aspirations in life other than to collect the dole are the defination 'dole scroungers', good luck to them too, i just wanted to know how many there were :confused:

    ok i apologise for the insult but your post was idiotic then, hows that for ya


    I don't see any difference between people turning to the government for a loan to buy a house or people turning to the government for money to live on. It works on the same principal of "social protection" & if there is an entitlement to apply for either, then people are entitled to apply for either without being called "career scroungers".

    If there is a fault with how the system of social protection operates in this country, then it's not the fault of those to whom it benefits, but to those who are in charge of operating it - namely, the government.

    I see a lot of faults with the welfare system here, but I also see a huge problem with the governments interference in the housing markets - be it through tax incentives to purchase houses or the provision of loans to individuals do the same.

    A major lesson which both the banks and the government have failed to learn from the last 10 years is that there is nothing to be gained from providing loans to people to purchase homes that they simply cannot afford.

    And I accept your apology for the insult, but find it pathetic that you had to follow that up with a backhanded insult of my post. If you disagree, then so be it, but at least have the intelligence to address the argument in a civil manner.


  • #55
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    You couldn’t quote me...

    I posted a question, a topic, not a statement as such (although admittedly a bit provocatively done)

    Your right, people who are entitled to claim all the benefits available to them legally for as long as they like without contributing anything back for their whole lives, is a system failure but in the same breath people who work (with social protection assistance/schemes or not) are entitled to use the term ‘dole scrounger’ if they so choose.

    I respect your argument about housing and the government, I also agree with them, it was well put and written but what you did, I think, is half read my post, read others replies and the searched my previous threads of mine just to be a smart azz imo, hence the half hearted apology.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on this I think, people who want to better themselves, with any type of assistance from government agencies and people who just want to sit back and relax, are totally different, they’re worlds apart.

    Ps I think we’re the only people on this thread now :)


  • #56
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Too many of these threads in here lately.


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