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Airsoft article in the sun newspaper today infuriated me!

  • 07-02-2012 8:39pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 8


    Did anyone else see the article in the Sun newspaper today? The writer actually said airsoft replicas bought in the shop are potentially "fatal", my arse they are.
    I don't have a copy in front of me to quote, but he really tries to vilify it. After all the work people have put into giving airsoft a good name in Ireland this fool comes along and writes up a silly article.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    normal piece tbh, I think you can expect a couple a year and that is not really going to change

    it is an easy target and makes for a fast article to a lazy journalist

    the reality is they're not after a balanced story so all the talk of inviting them to game and getting them to published a balanced piece and other stuff I hear in other places and on previous articles is not really going to make any difference

    only way to get something like that published is to pay them


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭kimmyt1987


    Complaints on boards are not much use!
    Go public.... It's the only way to have your say heard in this ridiculously one sided arguement!

    http://www.facebook.com/theirishsun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They could be lethal seriously ;)
    Ever had your missus throw a tm hicappa mag at your head ,id rather a hammer hicappa Mag soooooooooo shiny :) so heavy


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Alroth


    I've not seen them before, if its common then what can you do. I read it and thought, I declare bullsh*t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    More worried with the new tag line of attempted suiscide by cop by person brandishing a replica pistol/ airsoft and the multiple brandishing in public places storys reguarly appearing in various publications


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,439 ✭✭✭✭thermo


    anywhere to veiw this online?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    It's balls, the guy had a story to turn in and he got lazy. Just ignore it and it'll go away.

    Remember this is the sun, the same paper that claimed people were picking pockets and pissing on emergency services at hillsborough. Ignore the trolls plz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Leftyflip


    A crappy rag of a paper produces another stupid article, nothing new there, I wouldn't worry about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Any body recommend a decent helmet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Zomg Okay


    The worst thing for me wasn't the scaremongering article to be honest. It was the clowns on the Irish Sun's FB page that annoyed me. There is six posts on their page regarding the article:

    One can only be described as a rant. The next two are exact copies of said rant. The first level-headed one I had to write myself to make up for the three stooges. The next level-headed one is better again and then finally we have one of the three stooges making a jibe about slow news days. :rolleyes:

    Good intentions from the three stooges but for feck's sake if nothing else they're reinforcing the "gun nut" label we received in the article.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Alroth


    Would this helmet be for all these lethal flying magazines I've heard about :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Zomg Okay


    Alroth wrote: »
    Would this helmet be for all these lethal flying magazines I've heard about :D

    Personally, I want a helmet for when Concerned Mothers Against Everything find the article.


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭kimmyt1987


    Ha, I hadn't seen your post Adam...
    Had been too busy re-writing what I imagine the lads meant to get across... :D

    Jesus, I'm still quoting things and backing up my arguements...
    Feels like Im back in college writing a disertation again... :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    so this helmet, You see, ordinary shops sell what look like ABS helmets, but if you look closely, you'll see that they're very, very, very, very, very, very, very dense ordinary plastic helmets.
    They might not stop the impact from the Mrs throwing a tm hicappa mag at your head :-)

    ~B


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭J.D.R


    Might be a good idea to give a heads up to the IAA (if someone hasn't already) as these articles are usually closely followed with segments in radio programs such as Joe Duffy and the Colm Hayes show, filled with people who are only thinking of the children


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭fayer


    J.D.R wrote: »
    Might be a good idea to give a heads up to the IAA (if someone hasn't already) as these articles are usually closely followed with segments in radio programs such as Joe Duffy and the Colm Hayes show, filled with people who are only thinking of the children

    The IAA knew about it from yesterday morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    Potentially fatal...... Screw drivers, Hammers and basically anything sold in a hard ware shop.
    Cars, cliffs, alcohol, fatty food, cigerattes....

    Lets make a list of potentially fatal things that are legal and send it to them...
    The ol nanny state mentality, make every thing illegal.....

    Heading out for some airsoft action this Sunday, I wonder how many fatalities should I expect????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    Potentially fatal...... Screw drivers, Hammers and basically anything sold in a hard ware shop.
    Cars, cliffs, alcohol, fatty food, cigerattes....

    Lets make a list of potentially fatal things that are legal and send it to them...
    The ol nanny state mentality, make every thing illegal.....

    Argument in the household thismorning about how all it takes is one irisponsable nut job to screw everything up........

    I made a reference to iresponceable driving which leads to more injuries and death on a weekly basis

    The question was then raised: "What happens if some stupid kid gets their hands on a Rif and run down the street taking peoples eyes out and giving ould wans heart attacks?"

    To which I answered:"What's to stop the same reyard from getting in a car and tearing off down the footpath of the same street KILLING people?"

    That was answered with if the cars locked as it should be when your(the owner of sed vehicle) not using it and there is rules to prevent idiots just walking into any oul dealer and picking up a car.

    Same aplys to rif's when your not using them (in an appropriate fashion/ venue) you lock em away in a safe place and there are rules to prevent stupid kids buying a Rif and walking out onto the street and scaring the sh*te out of people.

    That was met by a grunt of disapproval


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    All logical arguments, problem is that your not dealing with logic but rather public opinion

    you can not get away from the fact that we run round in camo and play with devices that look like firearms

    it is strange, we're the minority and that is not going to change


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    The Sun's a newspaper? Since when?

    Old Russian joke: There's no news in Izvestia and no truth in Pravda :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    Puding wrote: »
    All logical arguments, problem is that your not dealing with logic but rather public opinion

    you can not get away from the fact that we run round in camo and play with devices that look like firearms

    it is strange, we're the minority and that is not going to change

    True but you just can't stand around and let such opinions grow into something that can damage the reputation of what is a obscure sport thats harmless.

    If their going to ban Airsoft then they might aswell ban rock climbing and hikeing/ hillwalking more people are injured/ killed annually whilst taking part in a nature walk up the gallty's then in Airsoft.

    After two years I honestly haven't seen more then a sprained angle. No fractures breaks cuts gashes missing digits nothing more then the usual noob who uses runners in a forest and gets a sprain due to poor ankle support.

    Also it's not like there's any groups within Airsoft trying to impersonate real life military personnel. And before I get the whole "people do that with there load outs " bit I mean that no one goes around calling themselves marines or isrealy Masad and claiming they do the exact same PT and arms drills although I do believe there is one group in the South East that does but there's always one :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Any cheeky site want to send Mr. Moran some day passes so we can shoot the little fecker for a good six hours?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    I have done done lots and continue to do lots to promote airsoft.

    I have no interest in seeing it banned, but I am realistic. We now have a place in law and do not exist in a grey zone as before.
    If their going to ban Airsoft then they might aswell ban rock climbing and hikeing/ hillwalking more people are injured/ killed annually whilst taking part in a nature walk up the gallty's then in Airsoft.

    great, but practically does not work that way, we're not the same as these activity and if public opinion goes against use then tbh there are actually a number of points within the current law that could be used against us

    the reality is that no matter what we do we will be judged on the lowest common denominator, the one idiot that brandish a rif in public and gets themselves shot all we can do is be proactive and minimize the fall out, its is not really a case of if but when


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Any link to the Article? I've only seen a snapshot via Tigerland Airsofts facebook group which was the image below.

    420455_182958438476441_100002868588021_266126_1711886294_n.jpg

    I would love to read it so I can send an informed e-mail to Mr. Moran myself, because I'm not doing anything whilst I'm ill-informed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Does anyone else see the funny side in all this? :D

    In reality what we use are toys (lets be honest here) , we can try to serious it all up with words and phrases like RIF AEG GBBR or sporting equipment but deep down we are big kids playing with realistic lookin toy guns.....and there is no harm in that.

    Im just laughnig at the tagline of "investigator discovers potentially lethal weapons on sale in Dublin city streets" <insert ominous voice here> along with the very serious indeed picture of said "investigator" brandishing these "lethal weapons" ..... Its about as funny as them walking into Smyths and doing the same with a nerf gun and still expecting to be taken seriously. Honestly like , its fox news level of funny! :D:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    actually RIF is the legal definition and what actually makes us safe (as far as we can be safe)

    but yes we're just strange people run around a field in camo and carrying replicas of firearms


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Puding wrote: »
    actually RIF is the legal definition and what actually makes us safe (as far as we can be safe)

    but yes we're just strange people run around a field in camo and carrying replicas of firearms

    And every time a friend takes a hit you stop and shout "MENDOZZAAAAAAA!!!!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I read that article myself (a left behind copy of The Sun on the Luas - I swear!) and I'm amazed at just how many senationalist, drama queenish, over the top 'oh please think of the children' angles they managed to come up with on one page.

    Everything from kids using them to 'reenact violent videogames' (they're cheaper than a console, OMG!), to a misinterpreted quote from the retailer (he says they're 'deadly', but I'm pretty sure he meant it as in 'deadly buzz!!!' rather than 'deadly causing death') possibly fatalities from use, criminal scares, retailers sourcing their gear from 'dodgy sources' (the writer of the article asked where they came from and got told something along the lines of 'don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to LOL')

    I usually don't let articles like that annoy me, but I seriously wanted to wipe my arse with the paper after reading that. Then I decided not to as I didn't want to end up with any of that **** printed on my backside.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Airsoft Reloded


    The worste thing about articles like this is how the airsoft community reacts to them. Just ignore them and don't give that **** tabloid the interest it seeks by doing such sensationalist garbage.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭kimmyt1987


    I told him I'd take him out for a good game if he wanted :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    The Sun, Joe Duffy and all the likes just Love it when there is a furious re-action from the underdog and the public so to speak. Anything at all to provoke more controversy where they can bait the trap and cherry pick quotes from angry and frustrated people who want to have their say and react with venom. Its what they want. it means more people are clicking on their websites, phoning in, writing replies and basically giving them more business, when in reality they could not give a **** one way or another about the subject matter that they print or discuss.

    No reaction, no comments, no fuss from people and ignore ignore ignore
    the temptation to react on impulse or knee jerk reaction to stories like this
    and they die out fairly fast and disappear from joe-soap Neanderthal readers
    gold fish memories.

    ~B


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Barr125


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    Any link to the Article? I've only seen a snapshot via Tigerland Airsofts facebook group which was the image below.

    420455_182958438476441_100002868588021_266126_1711886294_n.jpg

    I would love to read it so I can send an informed e-mail to Mr. Moran myself, because I'm not doing anything whilst I'm ill-informed.

    Someone should have told him he can't handle those with loaded mags without face protection or that it's illegal to point an Airsoft replica in a threatening manner. Also I'm sure he was truthful when he told the shop owner what he was actually reporting on, otherwise the owner would have chucked him out. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    I notice the use of the word fire arms, Does that not imply an ignition source, there is no "combustion" in air soft.

    The worrying thing here is that nanny state sees this article and thinks well we havent banned any thing in the last 20 mins and thinks airsoft is next to go so....


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭hawkeye1000


    hey guys
    Seeing as nobody has put up it yet i thought id do it. Heres the link to the reply the the Irish Sun gave on their Facebook page in regards to the Airsoft story they ran on Tuesday. http://www.facebook.com/theirishsun?sk=wall


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    hey guys
    Seeing as nobody has put up it yet i thought id do it. Heres the link to the reply the the Irish Sun gave on their Facebook page in regards to the Airsoft story they ran on Tuesday. http://www.facebook.com/theirishsun?sk=wall

    Quote?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    here ya go


    n article in Tuesday's Irish Sun on the sale of replica guns has sparked a lot of debate. Before publication we approached Airsoft Ireland and Main Irish Airsoft for comment but they had no spokespeople available. Our piece was intended to show how easy it is to get your hands on authentic looking weapons. We in no way intended to attack the sport, we know there are thousands of people who enjoy using Airsoft guns responsibly. We welcome all your comments and appreciate your views. I'm sure you will all agree that the unregulated selling of these guns on market stalls should be discussed. - Kieran McDaid, Head of News, Irish Sun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭hawkeye1000


    Quote?

    An article in Tuesday's Irish Sun on the sale of replica guns has sparked a lot of debate. Before publication we approached Airsoft Ireland and Main Irish Airsoft for comment but they had no spokespeople available. Our piece was intended to show how easy it is to get your hands on authentic looking weapons. We in no way intended to attack the sport, we know there are thousands of people who enjoy using Airsoft guns responsibly. We welcome all your comments and appreciate your views. I'm sure you will all agree that the unregulated selling of these guns on market stalls should be discussed. - Kieran McDaid, Head of News, Irish Sun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭dinko4gr


    Potentially fatal...... Screw drivers, Hammers and basically anything sold in a hard ware shop.
    Cars, cliffs, alcohol, fatty food, cigerattes....

    Lets make a list of potentially fatal things that are legal and send it to them...
    The ol nanny state mentality, make every thing illegal.....

    Heading out for some airsoft action this Sunday, I wonder how many fatalities should I expect????

    you forgot to mention the biggest one. STUPIDITY. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Zomg Okay


    An article in Tuesday's Irish Sun on the sale of replica guns has sparked a lot of debate. Before publication we approached Airsoft Ireland and Main Irish Airsoft for comment but they had no spokespeople available. Our piece was intended to show how easy it is to get your hands on authentic looking weapons. We in no way intended to attack the sport, we know there are thousands of people who enjoy using Airsoft guns responsibly. We welcome all your comments and appreciate your views. I'm sure you will all agree that the unregulated selling of these guns on market stalls should be discussed. - Kieran McDaid, Head of News, Irish Sun.

    I love how they never actually apologised there. And of course, an apology or acknowledgement in the rag itself is out of the question - why publish an apology and attempt fix all the harm you've done when you can try and fob them off on Facebook?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    Well I for one welcome the response and I have to say there is a lot of unnecessary venom in a lot of comments

    Look they had an objective and rogue reporter took it upon himself to throw in a personal vendetta


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Jsmurff wrote: »
    Look they had an objective and rogue reporter took it upon himself to throw in a personal vendetta

    Nothing 'rogue' about it. Reporter writes article, but it is the editor that approves or rejects it. Disgusting reply by a tabloid rag, attempting to dress itself up as a moral protector of the people when all it is peddling is sensationalism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭fayer


    Any publicity is good publicity!

    There no knee jerk ban coming from an article in a rag like that, it was a page filler for a slow news day, they've done the same thing several times.

    Sad fact is when ****e like this go's out sales and foot traffic to sites go's up.

    I'm not worried,

    Thanks for the free advert ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    fayer wrote: »
    it was a page filler for a slow news day

    Exactly - sending a junior reporter out down the road to get a quick story to fill a page is pretty much standard operating procedure. And let's face it, the Sun is not in the morning's list of papers to read for many of our nation's policy makers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    fayer wrote: »
    Any publicity is good publicity!

    There no knee jerk ban coming from an article in a rag like that, it was a page filler for a slow news day, they've done the same thing several times.

    Sad fact is when ****e like this go's out sales and foot traffic to sites go's up.

    I'm not worried,

    Thanks for the free advert ;)

    I'm sure you can all recal the debacle with one of the rags few years back.

    A young lady came into the store with her mother looking to purchase a pistol for her recently retired father who she said served in the military.

    She got cracking customer service, went through the checks we had at the time and was given the do's don't and full safety lark.

    Turned out she was a reporter who took pictures of herself holding it in the carpark. (conveniantly never menitoning the professional service she got :P )

    Shop went mental busy for a few weeks after :)


    Rags are rags, and they sensationalise it like its actually a problem.

    I stopped reading papers along time ago resorting to only the Sunday Broadsheets, and even going by the aboslute bollox opinions of so called "Football Exports" like Dion Fanning, I've stopped buying them too.

    Papers are a media of the past, they are seen now for what they are, wiping your arse when you run out of jax roll


  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭ASI Casper


    I got wind of the article earlier in the week, but hadn't actually read it until now.
    Now that I'm catching up with it, I've only just heard mention of Airsoft Ireland in the 'fallout' from the article on The Suns FB page.
    As the owner of Airsoft Ireland, they certainly did not contact me. If they had, I'd have been only to happy to speak to them.
    I've replied on their FB page though and put them right on the matter.
    TBH, I think they got their wires crossed and meant the IAA, not ASI. :rolleyes:

    Still, nothing like some free advertising from a national tabloid!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭BioHazRd


    ASI Casper wrote: »
    I got wind of the article earlier in the week, but hadn't actually read it until now.
    Now that I'm catching up with it, I've only just heard mention of Airsoft Ireland in the 'fallout' from the article on The Suns FB page.
    As the owner of Airsoft Ireland, they certainly did not contact me. If they had, I'd have been only to happy to speak to them.
    I've replied on their FB page though and put them right on the matter.
    TBH, I think they got their wires crossed and meant the IAA, not ASI. :rolleyes:

    Still, nothing like some free advertising from a national tabloid!

    To the best of my knowledge, they didnt contact the IAA either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭kieranfitz


    BioHazRd wrote: »
    To the best of my knowledge, they didnt contact the IAA either

    Or MIA from what I'm hearing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    Thru 'Attempted' to contact :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Zomg Okay


    "Boss, I think I got the phone number wrong..."
    "Close enough. Tell them we tried."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 975 ✭✭✭CpcRc


    Just putting this out there, if this does go to joe duffy. Can we use the rubberbandits to make a fool of him again?


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