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Bad news for drinkers. FG/Labour to introduce minimum prices!

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    #542
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Biggins wrote: »
    I disagree.

    Firstly, why should a possible vast majority be forced to cough-up because of the antics of a few?

    this is the same argument I use against the dole , drugs being illegal, car insurance prices being high, bailing out the banks, and many other things.


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    #543
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    where do i go from here wrote: »
    Yes, yes we should.:)

    The problem with the world nowadays is people have too much freedom, maybe if we took away some of these 'rights' we would be in a much better place.

    Looking at your post above and your user name, I would suggest China! :D


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    #544
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    where do i go from here wrote: »
    Doesn't go far enough.

    Alcohol should be priced at €10 per unit minimum.

    A stringent licencing process should be adopted for the purchase as well as the sale of alcohol.

    Too many people in this country are not responsible enough to either consume or sell drink.

    Same wavelength?
    Dr Leonard Conti, the Reich health führer, established the Bureau against the Dangers of Alcohol and Tobacco in 1939

    The consumption of alcohol was also strongly campaigned against. Fruit and vegetable consumption was encouraged, as was the use of wholemeal bread and the avoidance of fat.

    Adolf Hitler was the star performer in antismoking propaganda. As one magazine stated, “Brother national socialist, do you know that your Führer is against smoking and thinks that every German is responsible to the whole people for all his deeds and missions, and does not have the right to damage his body with drugs?”Smoking was only one of the health related behaviours that received attention in Nazi Germany.

    Lifestyle, health, and health promotion in Nazi Germany.


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    #545
    Where To
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    Biggins wrote: »
    I disagree.

    Firstly, why should a possible vast majority be forced to cough-up because of the antics of a few?

    Secondly, pricing alcohol at €10 per unit alone is really going to help the tourist industry as well as other businesses.

    I think an answer lies in making the far over drunken transgressors be more penalised in some way?
    It would open up a whole new market for tourism. Muslims, puritans and abstentionists would flock to an alcohol free Ireland:)


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    #546
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    Labour and FG Cu*ts


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    #547
    klose
    Registered Users Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭klose


    where do i go from here wrote: »

    Alcohol should be priced at €10 per unit minimum.


    Easily one of the most absurd things ive read in a while, genuinely laughed out loud..


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    #548
    Biggins
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    where do i go from here wrote: »
    It would open up a whole new market for tourism. Muslims, puritans and abstentionists would flock to an alcohol free Ireland:)

    ...But it wouldn't be free.
    Even in Arab countries with the Muslim religion present, I've read many a report that alcohol drinking goes on behind doors there too.
    (...But thats a topic for another thread?)


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    #549
    Where To
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    mikom wrote: »
    Same wavelength?
    In a way.

    There's no reason why Ireland can't be as famous for turnips and cabbage as it is for Jameson and Guinness.


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    #550
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    where do i go from here wrote: »
    In a way.

    There's no reason why Ireland can't be as famous for turnips and cabbage as it is for Jameson and Guinness.

    Your posts go a long way towards proving that.


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    #551
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    where do i go from here wrote: »
    In a way.

    There's no reason why Ireland can't be as famous for turnips and cabbage as it is for Jameson and Guinness.

    I think it was at one stage?
    That time has passed, lets not go revert to the ways of times gone?


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    #552
    Jim_Kiy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Jim_Kiy


    GET YOUR FILTHY HANDS OF MY BAVARIA (6 FOR 8.99)

    Screw the lot of them I'll home brew my own piss from now on.


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    #553
    Where To
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    whippedcream wrote: »
    Easily one of the most absurd things ive read in a while, genuinely laughed out loud..
    A pay per decibel lol tax anyone?


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    #554
    Where To
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    mikom wrote: »
    Your posts go a long way towards proving that.
    I'll take that as a compliment, thanks:)


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    #555
    gilmour
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭gilmour


    as a non drinking smoker i cant help the smug smile plastered across my cherry cheeks. A small victory against the ***** who had no problem shouting for increases in the cost of smokes every single year


    TO ARTHUR!


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    #556
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Jesus christ, everytime I see proposed legislation like this from our elected fúckwits I feel like driving a fork into my eye. Its the same prohibition bollox the whole fúcking time and it achieves absolutely nothing. It just punishes the decent people for the behaviour of cúnts.

    People will continue to act the arsehole with drink as long as the law protects them when they do. Sure, its an offence to be drunk and disorderly but when some pleb beats the sh!te out of someone/smashes up a shop front/rapes someone/sets fire to their grandmother while drunk it becomes part of their excuse for leniency. "Oh it wasn't me your honour, it was the drink" "Ah sure thats ok then, throw a few bob in the court piss up fund poor box, case dismissed"

    As long as we keep this attitude we haven't a hope of rectifying the problems.

    What fking difference does it make whether a can costs €1 or €1.50 ? If you want to drink you'll drink regardless of the price. The real issue isn't the price , it's the behaviour of people when drunk that is the real problem.

    Heres some proposals for the government:

    Booze busses- have a bus ready and waiting on friday and saturday nights to take drunk eejits to a special sitting of the district court in the morning. Cuffs on, "GETINTHEBACKOFTHEVAN!!!" Night in the cells, in court with a splitting hangover, big fine, you wont be in a hurry to do that again.

    Make fines for drink related offences relative to the income of the accused. If you're on the dole well now you're on food vouchers for a while, If you're on €100k a year well you'll be forking over the price of your Jag.

    If someone is well over the limit drink driving then dont just take the license, take the car too.

    If someone commits an offence while drunk then instead of reducing the penalty INCREASE IT! Slap on 6 months for the perpetrator allowing himself to get into such a state of intoxication that he lost his senses.

    End the fking ridiculous closing hours we have here. If people could go and have a drink at their own pace when they wanted there would be less double and treble rounds at closing time and the boloxology that goes with it.

    If underage people are caught commiting the offence NAME THEM and their Parents!! Shame is a fabulous deterrent.

    Make people actually responsible for their actions instead of letting them blame the drink. No more fúcking excuses "Oh he comes from a bad background/ is trying to turn his life around/ girlfriend has hairy legs" Its all bollox. The drink didnt make you into an arsehole, it just removed the disguise of non arseholeness you were wearing.


    I agree with your post generally, but in general in regards to young people, maybe we wouldn't have so much of a problem if there wasn't this taboo about drink and the evils around it at such a young age, and they wouldn't be pushed towards fields to get locked and instead promote responsible beahviour at a young age.


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    #557
    yoyo
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    Jim_Kiy wrote: »
    GET YOUR FILTHY HANDS OF MY BAVARIA (6 FOR 8.99)

    Screw the lot of them I'll home brew my own piss from now on.

    Sure thats not 8 :O . Bav 6 pack is €7.25 these days

    Nick

    My Beer Glass collection site 🍺

    My Irish Callcards site



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    #558
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users Posts: 18,092 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    You can bet your sweet ass the Dail Bar will still be stocked with free and cheap Booze for the goons.


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    #559
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,322 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I agree with your post generally, but in general in regards to young people, maybe we wouldn't have so much of a problem if there wasn't this taboo about drink and the evils around it at such a young age, and they wouldn't be pushed towards fields to get locked and instead promote responsible beahviour at a young age.

    I'm with you on that, I have no problem with people drinking moderately and responsibly from a younger age. I do have a problem with little sh!tebags getting hammered, acting the cúnt and then being protected by anonimity


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    #560
    seanbmc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭seanbmc


    This can't be good for Off Licenses as they are struggling already, no matter what the supermarkets are still going to undercut them.


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    #561
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    seanbmc wrote: »
    This can't be good for Off Licenses as they are struggling already, no matter what the supermarkets are still going to undercut them.

    A government body is trying to bring it in that Supermarkets are no longer allowed sell alcohol.
    The committee also wants to ban the sale of alcohol alongside groceries, confectionery and fuel, expressing concern about the “proliferation of outlet which sell alcoholic products”.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/oireachtas-committee-recommends-new-rules-on-alcohol-advertising-336180-Jan2012/


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    #562
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I think all the alcohol threads need to be merged?


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    #563
    MidnightQueen
    Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭MidnightQueen


    Time to dust the cobwebs on the brewing cellars.


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    #564
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Not before time in some respects - Irish drink culture is an utter abhorrence.

    However, minimum pricing won't work.


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    #565
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users Posts: 4,322 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Biggins wrote: »
    A government body is trying to bring it in that Supermarkets are no longer allowed sell alcohol.



    http://www.thejournal.ie/oireachtas-committee-recommends-new-rules-on-alcohol-advertising-336180-Jan2012/

    Why not ban the sale of sweets and chocolate from within 5m of the checkout? lets see how much that affects the rising diabetes levels ...


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    #566
    Biggins
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Why not ban the sale of sweets and chocolate from within 5m of the checkout? lets see how much that affects the rising diabetes levels ...

    Yea - its getting utter daft at this stage.
    The government can't tell me they are not trying to force people back in to the pubs more.
    The VFI lobbying to their mates in government has a lot to answer for!


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    #567
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    maybe I'm reaching for the tin-foil hat a tad early, but it srikes me as suspicious that this is all being talked about today when last night RTE just happened to run a tragic story about some lad who god ****faced before/during/after a concert and fell off a bridge in a foreign country, and off their own bat decided to link it to low-cost-selling of drink. rte agenda?

    Ban alcohol companies from sponsoring sporting events? the ghost of Paul Gogarty haunts us still!


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    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Biggins wrote: »
    I think all the alcohol threads need to be merged?

    Shaken but not stirred perhaps?


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    #569
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Mal-Adjusted wrote: »
    ...Ban alcohol companies from sponsoring sporting events? the ghost of Paul Gogarty haunts us still!

    Aaa... now we can't have that!
    FF, FG and Labour need to be able to smooze their corporate mates in their personal party tents at such occasions.
    No, that would never do! :D


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    #570
    yoyo
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    Mal-Adjusted wrote: »
    maybe I'm reaching for the tin-foil hat a tad early, but it srikes me as suspicious that this is all being talked about today when last night RTE just happened to run a tragic story about some lad who god ****faced before/during/after a concert and fell off a bridge in a foreign country, and off their own bat decided to link it to low-cost-selling of drink. rte agenda?

    Ban alcohol companies from sponsoring sporting events? the ghost of Paul Gogarty haunts us still!

    There was a student in Cork I think only a few months back who got locked in a nightclub, tryed a "shortcut" on the way home and fell off a steep ledge and died. Very tragic incident which couldn't be blamed on the off license drink.
    Don't most anti social arrests/A&E admissions happen to people drinking in pubs and clubs anyway? How about pubs and clubs are made to be responsible for serving a person more than 4 drinks (the "limit" otherwise its hazerdous drinking according to these "experts") *Maybe I shouldn't be giving them ideas!* :pac:

    Nick

    My Beer Glass collection site 🍺

    My Irish Callcards site



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    Biggins
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Shaken but not stirred perhaps?

    Mixed cocktail! :D


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