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Bad news for drinkers. FG/Labour to introduce minimum prices!

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭ dr.fuzzenstein


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Well realistically if the figures are anything to go by then drink should be given away free and we'll stop abusing it altogether;)

    That's what we need, bold ideas!
    I'll vote for you!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭ Anita M.


    the pubs are not hit by this pricehike? in that case the pubs will profit from this and guess who owns pubs.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭ Biggins


    Morlar wrote: »
    Did I hear the news right - they are calling this the 'Social responsibility levy' ?

    Yep - but surprise, got forbid a report they might have liked, actually might effect them too!
    O' no, we can't be having that!
    They have to be able to serve alcohol to their mates at sucking-up corporate events in each of their party tents at national sports!

    Two faced b'stards!
    Drinks sector, TDs object to report

    REPRESENTATIVES OF the drinks industry have dissociated themselves from the main report of a Government-appointed group on the regulation of alcohol to be published this week.

    The Alcohol Beverage Federation of Ireland and Mature Enjoyment of Alcohol in Society (Meas), an industry-sponsored initiative encouraging responsible consumption of drink, have submitted separate minority reports to Government.

    At least four Government Ministers have also objected to recommendations in the report of the National Substance Misuse Steering Group, which Minister of State for Primary Care Róisín Shortall will publish tomorrow.

    Meas has written to Ministers complaining about the exclusion of its minority report from the memo sent by Minister for Health James Reilly to other Ministers on the findings of the steering group.

    The group’s majority report, endorsed by 31 of 33 members, recommends a ban on all alcohol sponsorship of sporting and large outdoor events,
    a ban on outdoor advertising of alcohol, higher excise duties on some alcohol products and the introduction of minimum pricing.

    Ms Shortall plans to bring it to the Oireachtas health committee in an effort to secure cross-party support.

    The report recommends the introduction of a “social responsibility levy” on the drinks industry which could be used to help fund communications on the dangers of alcohol, as well as a reduction in the weekly “safe” number of units of alcohol for men and women.

    Ministers Pat Rabbitte, Leo Varadkar, Jimmy Deenihan and Simon Coveney have all expressed concerns about the proposed restrictions on the advertising of alcohol and the sponsorship of events by drinks companies.

    The report has been discussed at Cabinet, where the four Ministers have raised concerns that the restrictions might have on sport, tourism and community events, a source confirmed yesterday. Many of the recommendations would require legislation, he pointed out.

    Meas, in a letter to Ministers, claims it was marginalised and misrepresented on the steering group. Chief executive Fionnuala Sheehan says some members were biased against the organisation, and claims this bias was compounded by the decision not to circulate its minority report.

    In the minority report, seen by The Irish Times, Meas calls the social responsibility levy proposal “yet another tax on the Irish consumer”.

    The proposal “betrays a complete lack of awareness of the commercial realities that apply to all business in the private sector, not least the drinks industry”.

    It says the group’s recommendations on regulation of alcohol will continue a “piecemeal and fragmented” approach and have unintended and adverse consequences.

    A proposal to phase out alcohol industry sponsorship of sport by 2016 is described as misguided and unrealistic. “Bearing in mind the current financial crisis, it is naive to imagine that sporting organisations, from small parish clubs around the country to national sporting organisations, would be able to maintain their current level of activities without commercial sponsorship,” the report says.

    The emphasis, it adds, “should be on controlling sponsorship activity to minimise any negative impacts”.

    Meas also opposes reducing the recommended weekly alcohol guidelines from 21 to 17 units for men and 14 to 11 for women.

    It says the recommendation is made without regard to scientific evidence and claims the current guidelines are not credible among consumers. “Particularly young adults, they are dismissed as too low and nannyish.”

    The steering group was chaired by the State’s chief medical officer, Tony Holohan, and included a wide range of civil servants, medical representatives and alcohol-related organisations.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0206/1224311332870.html

    ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.
    George Orwell.

    One rule and tax on us and we can go and feck.
    Them, aaa... no. They have to look after their interests and their mates interests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭ jack presley


    Here's a section from the editorial in the Indo today

    "Yes, we drink too much. Yes, something needs to be done to make us more like Afghanistan. The recommendations in yesterday's report, if implemented, may well do just that. Thankfully, experience tells us it will end up gathering dust in the Department of Health."

    The last line is probably what will happen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭ Biggins


    Here's a section from the editorial in the Indo today

    "Yes, we drink too much. Yes, something needs to be done to make us more like Afghanistan. The recommendations in yesterday's report, if implemented, may well do just that. Thankfully, experience tells us it will end up gathering dust in the Department of Health."

    The last line is probably what will happen.

    What about the previous report to the latest one?
    The one that was indicated by government with a quango who's make-up they might have (it looks) picked themselves?

    The government is not going to ignore them all but selectively pick part they like and what the VFI likes - and claim they are then justified in action because a report says these things must be done!
    In the minority report, seen by The Irish Times, Meas calls the social responsibility levy proposal “yet another tax on the Irish consumer”.

    Now I wonder why the government might disregard this report and not wish to give it credability?
    Himmmm???


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,754 Odysseus


    Even as someone who works in the Addiction Services, I don't agree with the recommended guidelines but IIRC where they not established by the WHO [not the group before anyone goes with that one]. How can the government change the guidelines which are recognised world wide? It just does not make sense, especially when there is so much work to be done around alcohol misuse.


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