Poxy Hospital waiting times to be treated

44leto · 05-02-2012 09:26PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

You put your finger on it there - the bottleneck is in accessing the system, getting tests done and so on. Once you get through, the devotion to duty and professionalism of the majority of staff is quite something. The length of time it takes to get diagnosed is pretty disgraceful though.

Even the access you get to world class consultants and no expense is spared, one of my sis in laws got medication at nearly 5 grand a pill, cutting edge medication and it saved her life. Its impressive treatment and as you said the level of the professionalism would equal any of the American hospitals.

But its getting there, I know someone who is in the system for his crohns disease, which is top class, but now he is on a waiting list to get treatment for a heart complaint, its another system. Which struck me as odd.

But if you require non urgent treatment they are really saying to you "go private".

Kiera · 05-02-2012 09:26PM

lividduck wrote: »

Yes they do, Im been to a&e at both Swifcare in Dundrum and at the Beacon in Sandyford, and Mater Private advertise theirs on radio

Right, i can see you're not grasping this. These are clinics. They are not 24hr A&E. The beacon doesnt even open on a Sunday ffs! No point in having private health insurance if you needed to see A&E in the Beacon.

Swiftcare means feck all to people with Aviva and Quinn. you have to pay €120 up front and claim it back at the end of the year. The Mater private is a clinic which you need to be referred to.

mikom · 05-02-2012 09:27PM

mikom wrote: »

What sort of illness?

?

Waiting times not too much better around here it seems........

Cianos · 05-02-2012 09:36PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

Drunk people have to be treated the same as everybody else. Unless there is a special unit for drunks (which would never happen) then there is nothing the government can do to stop the problem. It's a simple unavoidable consequence of a nation with a serious drinking problem.

I agree that it's an unavoidable problem, but that doesn't mean it should be just brushed off and the government excused because of it. It is a problem, their problem, and they should be working to solve it.

The lazy attitude of letting problems fester until they're just accepted as the norm is quite common in this country's successive governments.

mikom · 05-02-2012 09:37PM

mikom wrote: »

What sort of illness?

mikom wrote: »

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Waiting times not too much better around here it seems........

"Nurse!!"

gcgirl · 05-02-2012 09:42PM

Kiera wrote: »

lividduck wrote: »

you do in the Beacon, Mater Private, and Swiftcare

And they have an A&E dept, do they?

The beacon has an excuse of one, I read on here about them letting one of our boards members having a heart attack and they were useless he had to be carted of to an actual hospital to be treated and all the receptioness tried to do was get his card details

gosuckonalemon · 05-02-2012 09:42PM

Cianos wrote: »

I agree that it's an unavoidable problem, but that doesn't mean it should be just brushed off and the government excused because of it. It is a problem, their problem, and they should be working to solve it.

The lazy attitude of letting problems fester until they're just accepted as the norm is quite common in this country's successive governments.

I stated the government cannot stop drinking excessively and ending up in A&E. You said they can.

You have yet to say how.

Corruptedmorals · 05-02-2012 09:47PM

I was in A&E in Vegas last year, there was people fuming after waiting just one hour, after 2 hours loads of people stormed out. Found it quite amusing.

I haven't experienced A&E here though, only through my sister. She waited almost a day in Blanch A&E who told her they'd have to send her home because she needed an ultrasound and they didn't have one (????). Tallaght A&E the next day had her waiting 16 hours for a scan, only to misdiagnose appendicitis as a urinary tract infection. Could well have burst before they copped on, as indeed happens to loads of people here.

PhlegmyMoses · 05-02-2012 09:48PM

I've been to A&E twice. The last time I was there was for an abscess that formed close to my spine from an in-grown hair. I was in agony for days before finally going to the doctor who referred me to the hospital. When I got there, I was seen by a triage nurse, jabbed with some sort of morphine derivative and taken to a bed within the hour. I was operated on the next morning. I went on a Tuesday morning.

When I damaged my knee ligaments I was in the waiting section of A&E for around 6 hours before a doctor saw me, then I was sent home with some crutches and some pain killers and operated on a couple of moths later. This time I was in on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to depend on the day that you go in and the severity of your situation. The Saturday visit had all the hallmarks of the OP - junkies, an old drunk pissing himself in his seat etc and a bit of casual racism towards a black woman by a couple of scumbags. The Tuesday morning visit was as pleasant as could be, given the circumstances.

mikom · 05-02-2012 09:51PM

"Nurse, I need the commode!!"

Kiera · 05-02-2012 09:54PM

mikom wrote: »

"Nurse, I need the commode!!"

If you dont hush, i'll fit you with a colostomy bag and catheter :P

cynder · 05-02-2012 09:56PM

Been to a and e too many times over the last few years. 6 year old gashed his head, 4 hour wait. cork.

i had a ulcer or gall stones sent in by gp, 6 hour wait, no treatment told to book a private scan. Limerick.

Husband no wait. Checked over given all clear Said 150 euro please now you can go home, Galway clinic private hospital.

Daughter had to call ambulance, seen immediately. limerick. 3 hours in a and e transfered to ward . Diabetic ketoacidosis

daughter had to call ambulance seen immediately, temple st. 4 hours in a and e till she was stable then transfered to ward. Hypoglycemia.

daughter took in by car seen within 10 mins. Ennis. Treated sent home. Broken nose.

Daughter took in by car limerick seen within 1 hour. Limerick. treated sent home. High blood sugars, ketones.

Daughter seen within 30 mins. Ennis. torn ligaments.

Daughter took in by car seen immediately, limerick. Gp phoned ahead. Spent 8 hours in resuscitation until they were happy she wasn't going into a coma, then transfered to ward. Diabetic ketoacidosis.

Cianos · 05-02-2012 09:57PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

I stated the government cannot stop drinking excessively and ending up in A&E. You said they can.

You have yet to say how.

I didn't say that. I said that you can (and should) blame the government for the fact that drunk people are causing the A&Es to be clogged up.

There should be measures implemented to stop the A&Es from being clogged up (and this may well have nothing to do with the handling of drunk people), and it is their responsibility to implement those measures.

fishy fishy · 05-02-2012 09:57PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Jesus christ I hate this kip of a country and its third world service.

My daughter is in the Mater with a friend waiting since 6 o clock this evening, still havent been seen by a doctor. Nurse came and took bloods from her friend about three hours ago, said Doctor would be by soon, they are still waiting.

My daughter told me there was an elderly man in a wheelchair, and she noticed he was on the verge on falling off, so she pointed it out to the staff, who told her 'ah hes grand...' then the old man got up, maybe to stretch his legs, go to the bathroom, dont know, but then someone came and took the chair, so when the old guy got back his wheelchair was gone.

Shes been telling me ' mam you wouldnt believe what Im seeing here, they way people are being treated.Shes really upset over it.

James O Rielly, f****** Harney with a beard. DO SOMETHING.

maybe you could organise a protest to highlight it.

drkpower · 05-02-2012 09:58PM

Cianos wrote: »

stop the A&Es from being clogged up (and this may well have nothing to do with the handling of drunk people), and it is their responsibility to implement those measures.

Such as?

cocoshovel · 05-02-2012 09:58PM

Since 6? They haven't even been waiting 3 hours. They're in for a surprise

I heard that in Dublin the waiting times are often about 8 hours, and this can hold up Ambulance crews who brought in patients and cant leave until the patient gets a bed.

Waterford wait times from my experience are about 3 hours when A&E is quiet. There's no point complaining to the workers there or about them because **** sake they can't do anything about the wait times either. They have an extremely stressful and long job.

Last time I was in A&E there was a girl there complaining and swearing about everything and how she wasn't being treated quick enough. She went to the hospital for a "sick stomach". Stupid bítch. Its people like her that clog up the entire system, and later on in the night it will be drunks.

gsxr1 · 05-02-2012 10:01PM

Cant fault the staff. I have many broken limbs and if your case is serious, you will get priority. If you go in needing a few stitches, you may need a good book.

I have always found the Doctors and nurses to be nothing less than caring, kind and great at their very stressful jobs. Its not their fault they are understaffed .

They are the people on the front line of our health service and seem to be the ones who suffer most from cuts.. its bull sh1t TBH.

gosuckonalemon · 05-02-2012 10:03PM

Cianos wrote: »

I didn't say that. I said that you can (and should) blame the government for the fact that drunk people are causing the A&Es to be clogged up.

Again, how can you blame the government for people drinking too much and ending up in A&E??

05-02-2012 10:05PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

I'm getting the impression it can't have been that much of an emergency.

Why wait til the weekend to go, of course it's going to be clogged.

You can't blame the government for drunk people clogging up hospitals.

Also, why did your daughter not stop the person from taking the wheelchair?

Sorry but when an emergency happens, I donk think it choses time very well. it happened yesterday which happened to be at the weekend.

My daughter is 17 thats probably why she didnt feel comfortable stopping anyone, so she tried to do the right thing by telling the security man.

username123 · 05-02-2012 10:05PM

Kiera wrote: »

Swiftcare means feck all to people with Aviva and Quinn. you have to pay €120 up front and claim it back at the end of the year.

I have VHI and I still had to pay full whack last time I used Swiftcare, it depends on your policy.
Dont you have to pay in a public A&E as well? I know its less, but its still substantial, 60 or 80 euro (can anyone confirm?)

If I had some kind of painful but non life threatening injury, like a broken arm, I would far far prefer to pay the 40 or 50 odd quid extra to go to Swiftcare and be seen within 3 minutes than wait 16 hours in a public A&E.

However, if I had a suspected stroke or heart issue Id far rather go straight to a public A&E.

cynder · 05-02-2012 10:07PM

100 euro a and e fee

Seems a bit steep for a bit if glue on a 2 inch gash....

cheap if your paying for 4 drips. And 3 personal staff and a consultant. Which my daughter gets when she has her bad diabetic days... But you dont have to pay an a and e fee if you get kept in...

If you go to your gp first and get a letter of them you only pay the gp and not the hospital. Handy on a weekday 9-5.

Kiera · 05-02-2012 10:08PM

username123 wrote: »

I have VHI and I still had to pay full whack last time I used Swiftcare, it depends on your policy.
Dont you have to pay in a public A&E as well? I know its less, but its still substantial, 60 or 80 euro (can anyone confirm?)

If I had some kind of painful but non life threatening injury, like a broken arm, I would far far prefer to pay the 40 or 50 odd quid extra to go to Swiftcare and be seen within 3 minutes than wait 16 hours in a public A&E.

However, if I had a suspected stroke or heart issue Id far rather go straight to a public A&E.

If you go to your doc first and they send you to A&E you dont have to pay. If you walk in off the street you do. It was €100 on the sign in Beaumont last time i was there.

I fractured my wrist last year and ankle the year before and went to my doc who sent me to A&E. I was seen within 30 mins for both.

gsxr1 · 05-02-2012 10:11PM

username123 wrote: »

I have VHI and I still had to pay full whack last time I used Swiftcare, it depends on your policy.
Dont you have to pay in a public A&E as well? I know its less, but its still substantial, 60 or 80 euro (can anyone confirm?)

If I had some kind of painful but non life threatening injury, like a broken arm, I would far far prefer to pay the 40 or 50 odd quid extra to go to Swiftcare and be seen within 3 minutes than wait 16 hours in a public A&E.

However, if I had a suspected stroke or heart issue Id far rather go straight to a public A&E.

You will not be left for 16 hours with a broken arm. If you are in a overly large waiting list. Go to another hospital . Drogheda, Naas or Portlaoise. Use your head and save yourself hours.

Cianos · 05-02-2012 10:12PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

Again, how can you blame the government for people drinking too much and ending up in A&E??

You're missing my point completely.

It's a given that people will end up in A&E from boozing and this will happen more often on the weekends. Everyone knows this, including the government. So prepare for it - it's their responsibility to keep waiting times down, and brushing it off saying "ah sure you can't blame them for all the drunks" doesn't fly.

It's like saying sure how can you blame a nightclub for fights constantly breaking out in their club every night of the week. Do all nightclubs have this problem? No. Many run a good ship, they know they'll be handling drunk people, and they implement measures for how best to deal with that.

05-02-2012 10:13PM

Kiera wrote: »

Have you just arrived in Ireland for the first time?

No I havent just arrived, but I have just arrived at the conclusion that the health service we pay our taxes for is still not providing a decent health service where people are seen to in reasonable amounts of time, in safe clean conditions. Thats all.

Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

drkpower · 05-02-2012 10:14PM

Cianos wrote: »

Many run a good ship, they know they'll be handling drunk people, and they implement measures for how best to deal with that.

And what measures can the Government introduce vis-a-vis drunks & Hospital Emergency Departments?

cynder · 05-02-2012 10:15PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Kiera wrote: »

Have you just arrived in Ireland for the first time?

No I havent just arrived, but I have just arrived at the conclusion that the health service we pay our taxes for is still not providing a decent health service where people are seen to in reasonable amounts of time, in safe clean conditions. Thats all.

Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

It's gonna get worse....

Kiera · 05-02-2012 10:16PM

Jake1 wrote: »

No I havent just arrived, but I have just arrived at the conclusion that the health service we pay our taxes for is still not providing a decent health service where people are seen to in reasonable amounts of time, in safe clean conditions. Thats all.

Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

Have you read the rest of the thread? The hosp obviously didnt see your daughters friend as a serious case. Which she probably should have gone to her GP with. And not clog up A&E.

I've no doubt you'll come back and say it was something life threatening.

05-02-2012 10:17PM

grindelwald wrote: »

It's gonna get worse....

Im sure it will. Just wish it wasnt so bad.

gsxr1 · 05-02-2012 10:18PM

Cianos wrote: »

You're missing my point completely.

It's a given that people will end up in A&E from boozing and this will happen more often on the weekends. Everyone knows this, including the government. So prepare for it - it's their responsibility to keep waiting times down, and brushing it off saying "ah sure you can't blame them for all the drunks" doesn't fly.

It's like saying sure how can you blame a nightclub for fights constantly breaking out in their club every night of the week. Do all nightclubs have this problem? No. Many run a good ship, they know they'll be handling drunk people, and they implement measures for how best to deal with that.

Speechless.

Poxy Hospital waiting times to be treated

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