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Rules of The Road - Double Standards?

  • 03-02-2012 01:47AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,954 ✭✭✭✭


    Over the past 10 years or so, the Gardai have been enforcing the rules of the road much more vigoursly than before - especially with respect to speeding (though where they catch speeding motorists is often debatable in terms of safety), drink driving, tax and insurance and other matters. And pretty much rightly so.

    So it angers me to read that a Detective Garda crashed his unmarked garda car on the M50 motorway after spending an afternoon in the pub with colleagues watching a rugby match, stank of booze according to the motorist whose vehicle he collided with, left the scene before he could be breathalysed and now seems to have the support of his colleagues in the case which is being heard.

    This smacks to me of some memebrs of the Gardai who don't think that they rules and standards of the road that they enforce simply don't apply to them.:mad:
    Garda in pub before crash

    TOM TUITE, Irish Times

    A "top detective" spent an afternoon watching a rugby match in a pub before an unmarked Garda car he was driving crashed on the M50 motorway, a court has heard.

    Det Garda Kevin Keys, who is attached to Mountjoy station in Dublin, admits he lost control of the car which was involved in a collision on the evening February 6, 2010.

    However, he has pleaded not guilty at Dublin District Court to dangerous driving and taking the unmarked Ford Mondeo without authorisation from his garda station.

    Gareth Wooster told Judge Conal Gibbons that at about 7.50 pm he had been driving his Hyundai Sante Fe 4X4 along the motorway when to his left the maroon Ford Mondeo, which was driven by Det Gda Keys, approached junction 11. The Mondeo driver attempted to enter the exit which was cordoned off with traffic cones but then came back on to the M50.

    /MOD SNIP: Please don't quote full articles and provide a link to the original article.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    This won't end well, expect to be labelled a Garda basher by the PC brigade OP. Somehow Gardai ain't human when it comes to obeying laws.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    It's completely wrong he was a danger to people on the road


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭myflipflops


    I'd wait to see if he gets off before I make any judgements.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement officers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    gurramok wrote: »
    This won't end well, expect to be labelled a Garda basher by the PC brigade OP. Somehow Gardai ain't human when it comes to obeying laws.

    PC brigade mention invalidates the rest of your post! ;) After 10 posts maybe valid, first reply, looks dumb.

    Seems a "whiff" of a bit of covering up from some Guards, giving vague answers, but, they tend to do that anyway under questioning. Defending solicitor asks a question, Guard answers "it's possible", seems pretty standard.

    Other Guards seem more forthright.

    I'd expect him to be suspended without pay by the Guards, awaiting the outcome of the case because this is extremely serious for a Guard, I'd say more serious than the Jim McDaid case. If he is convicted, and he is entitled to a defence, the book should be thrown at him. He knew the gravity of it when saying "I'm f**cked" and that should be reflected in the sentence, if any.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,954 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    What angers me is not so much that the Garda detective went to the pub and drank with his colleagues on his duty time or even that he got into his car and drove off (which was completely out of order).

    It is that his colleagues in the force allowed him to do so, that he was even accompanied by another Garda in the car and did not do the decent thing and turn himself in to be arrested and breathalysed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    I wonder how normal this behaviour was for Garda Kevin Keys - drinking on the job and then driving a garda vehicle. Was this routine for him, and did he just get caught out on this one occasion when he crashed his car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    However, he agreed with defence solicitor Dara Robinson that it was possible Det Garda Keys had been drinking shandies, as well as water and cups of coffee. He was also aware that his colleague had a meal at the pub and that a drink had been accidentally spilled on him there.

    I think I would laugh out loud if I was on jury duty and heard this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,954 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The story concocted by this Detective Garda's lawyer beggars belief. So a drink accidentally spilt on him while he was at tge pub watching tge rugby match whilst supposedly in duty - and as a result he became intoxicated and crashed his unmarked Garda car on the M50.

    OKaaaay.....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 KiwiG


    BUT he was convicted of dangerous driving Wednesday and has 14 days to appeal in which the case goes to the high court and we start all over again. two steps forward one step back?:confused:


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KiwiG wrote: »
    BUT he was convicted of dangerous driving Wednesday and has 14 days to appeal in which the case goes to the high court and we start all over again. two steps forward one step back?:confused:
    Do you really think that he'll appeal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 KiwiG


    After what I have heard so far nothing will surprise me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    From watching American TV the best detectives are always drunks and spent their days in dark dank bars

    Let the detective drink OP


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    From watching American TV the best detectives are always drunks and spent their days in dark dank bars

    Let the detective drink OP
    Yes, but they're usually the ones that are defective!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Over the past 10 years or so, the Gardai have been enforcing the rules of the road much more vigoursly than before -
    Have they? I haven't encountered a Garda checkpoint in years.
    I'm sure I break the speed limit all the time (unintentionally) and I've never been done. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    he should have also been done for leaving the scene before he could be breathalized.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have they? I haven't encountered a Garda checkpoint in years.
    I'm sure I break the speed limit all the time (unintentionally) and I've never been done. :confused:
    You must drive only during the peak times when a checkpoint would gridlock the road network. They're showing up everywhere outside of the peak travelling times.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    he should have also been done for leaving the scene before he could be breathalized.

    The other driver was breathalised in the hospital though so I'm not sure why that particular point is being made. He should have been breathalised at the hospital as well - who let him off the hook there?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Kosseegan


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The story concocted by this Detective Garda's lawyer beggars belief. So a drink accidentally spilt on him while he was at tge pub watching tge rugby match whilst supposedly in duty - and as a result he became intoxicated and crashed his unmarked Garda car on the M50.

    OKaaaay.....


    Lawyers do not concoct stories. They can only say what they were told by their client.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Kosseegan


    KiwiG wrote: »
    BUT he was convicted of dangerous driving Wednesday and has 14 days to appeal in which the case goes to the high court and we start all over again. two steps forward one step back?:confused:


    If there is an appeal it will go to the Circuit Court and not the High court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    Kosseegan wrote: »
    If there is an appeal it will go to the Circuit Court and not the High court.

    I wouldn't let him on a circuit again.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭rgmmg


    There are 3 top cops who drink in a well known pub near Rathfarnham every Friday night, get into their cars and drive home. Sounds like it's one rule for them.. While we're at it, why are the top cop jobs all politically appointed? Kevin Costner's Untouchables had nothing on this posse..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    HAW HAW, the gardaí are finished for the momment. Their ranks were cut.
    There numbers were cut and templemore has shut down so no new recruits.

    I don't see 1/3 of the guards that I used to see around anymore.

    So that'll be 120mph everywhere for me thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    You must drive only during the peak times when a checkpoint would gridlock the road network. They're showing up everywhere outside of the peak travelling times.
    Not always, I'm a taxi service for my 15 yr old daughter so I'm out and about in the early hours during weekends and I can honestly say I could drive with drink taken and get away with it - no Garda presence whatsoever.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    cyclists are the worst road rule breakers out of everyone in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    Not always, I'm a taxi service for my 15 yr old daughter so I'm out and about in the early hours during weekends and I can honestly say I could drive with drink taken and get away with it - no Garda presence whatsoever.

    You have drink taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaken


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not always, I'm a taxi service for my 15 yr old daughter so I'm out and about in the early hours during weekends and I can honestly say I could drive with drink taken and get away with it - no Garda presence whatsoever.
    When I say outside peak hours, I mean the checkpoints appear to be most active between 10AM and 4PM and again between 7PM and about 10PM, unless there is a particular event going on and they'll be around the area for a few hours after it ends.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    When I say outside peak hours, I mean the checkpoints appear to be most active between 10AM and 4PM and again between 7PM and about 10PM, unless there is a particular event going on and they'll be around the area for a few hours after it ends.

    There have been very few checkpoints around where I live. I can only think of two in the last 5 years.

    Usually though, at a very dangerous part of the road near me, I see a Garda speed van fairly regularly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Not always, I'm a taxi service for my 15 yr old daughter so I'm out and about in the early hours during weekends and I can honestly say I could drive with drink taken and get away with it - no Garda presence whatsoever.



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