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Did you know Irish government is in breach of constitution for years?

  • 01-02-2012 07:20PM
    #1
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭


    Where mothers are concerned i will cut it down for short version.
    No woman must work and be forced out to work due to economic reasons that will effect her home life and of the family and that will not interfere of raising of children.
    Also widows will be protected in the right they are entitled to all the help.
    Now this is my last thread.Feel free to check it out in our constitution.
    I wonder who can pick holes in this one lol.
    By her life within the home,woman give to the state a support without the common good can not be achieved,The state shall therefore endeavor that mothers should not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.
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  • #2
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Bye now.


  • #3
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    was this found on facebook?


  • #4
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    was this found on facebook?
    Article 41 of constitution :)


  • #5
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    greimorm wrote: »
    Article 41 of constitution :)

    How exactly is it being breached?


  • #6
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Wouldn't social welfare and children's allowance be fulfilling this article?


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  • #7
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    My name is URL wrote: »
    How exactly is it being breached?

    Because due to rise in living in Ireland and costs etc.. Women are forced to leave the home and work away from their children as one wage is not enough anymore?


  • #8
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    greimorm wrote: »
    Because due to rise in living in Ireland and costs etc.. Women are forced to leave the home and work away from their children as one wage is not enough anymore?

    Balderdash, is the state forcing these women to have children? Is the state forcing these women to have a a set level of expenses? Last I checked contraceptives were available in this country.

    If you want sprogs it's your responsibility to finance their upbringing.


  • #9
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    European law supercedes the deValera Constitution, and European law prohibits discrimination on grounds of gender, so the Irish Catholic Constitution, if the Op is correct, discriminates against men, so it is in breach of EU law.
    Perhaps the OP is still longing for the good old days when marital rape was legal, we had the marraige bar, and a woman needed her husbands permission to open a bank account.


  • #10
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    lividduck wrote: »
    European law supercedes the deValera Constitution, and European law prohibits discrimination on grounds of gender, so the Irish Catholic Constitution, if the Op is correct, discriminates against men, so it is in breach of EU law.
    Perhaps the OP is still longing for the good old days when marital rape was legal, we had the marraige bar, and a woman needed her husbands permission to open a bank account.

    Jesus i am sorry you lived in a cave,but i dont recall Ireland being that bad barr the odd freak that lives in every country in world(well some more than others ofc) .:rolleyes:


  • #11
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    greimorm wrote: »
    Where mothers are concerned i will cut it down for short version.
    No woman must work and be forced out to work due to economic reasons that will effect her home life and of the family and that will not interfere of raising of children.
    Also widows will be protected in the right they are entitled to all the help.
    Now this is my last thread.Feel free to check it out in our constitution.
    I wonder who can pick holes in this one lol.
    By her life within the home,woman give to the state a support without the common good can not be achieved,The state shall therefore endeavor that mothers should not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

    Even the way you type makes you look like a child. Nevermind the dribble that you're posting.


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  • #12
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    God people are such boring stuck in muds here :rolleyes:


  • #13
    Sister Assumpta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Sister Assumpta


    *Here are my ludicrous claims; I'm leaving before anybody proves me wrong*
    /runs out door.


  • #14
    Sister Assumpta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Sister Assumpta


    lividduck wrote: »
    European law supercedes the deValera Constitution
    No. It. Doesn't.

    Having said that, the OP is talking ****.


  • #15
    NoelJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭NoelJ


    Sister Assumpta wrote: »
    No. It. Doesn't.

    Having said that, the OP is talking ****.

    Is it not European > Irish Version of Irish Constitution > English version of Irish Constitution in Court?


  • #16
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    Oh sorry i forgot this is no longer AH :confused:


  • #17
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    greimorm wrote: »
    No woman must work and be forced out to work due to economic reasons that will effect her home life and of the family and that will not interfere of raising of children.

    The Articles you refer to are:
    Article 41

    2. 1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within
    the home, woman gives to the State a support without which
    the common good cannot be achieved.

    2. 2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that
    mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to
    engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the
    home.

    The state could not be found to be in breach of the constitution in any court of law, since we have a social welfare system which ensures that a mother can raise her children (albeit in very modest conditions) without having to work. Whether the Welfare is adequate for a particular case is a moot point since the constitution obliges nothing more than "endeavour".

    As for the "neglect of their duties" ..... well there is nothing in the constitution which sets down explicitly what those duties are. You can be sure that buying her children an iPhone is not considered a duty, so raising children in poor financial circumstances is not a breach of duty.

    Z


  • #18
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=523822


  • #19
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    Zen65 wrote: »
    The Articles you refer to are:



    The state could not be found to be in breach of the constitution in any court of law, since we have a social welfare system which ensures that a mother can raise her children (albeit in very modest conditions) without having to work. Whether the Welfare is adequate for a particular case is a moot point since the constitution obliges nothing more than "endeavour".

    As for the "neglect of their duties" ..... well there is nothing in the constitution which sets down explicitly what those duties are. You can be sure that buying her children an iPhone is not considered a duty, so raising children in poor financial circumstances is not a breach of duty.

    Z

    Ah you had to go and get all legal and particular dammit.It was a joke and just showing weird stuff in constitution.


  • #20
    Sister Assumpta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Sister Assumpta


    NoelJ wrote: »
    Is it not European > Irish Version of Irish Constitution > English version of Irish Constitution in Court?
    No. The Irish constitution is the fundamental law of the country.

    If European law is found not to be compatible with the Irish constitution, then that law cannot apply to Ireland. We hold referenda in this country to amend our constitution every so often by inserting European treaties, in which case these treaties form part of the Irish constitution.

    But European law can not take precedence over the Irish constitution.


  • #21
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    Sister Assumpta wrote: »
    No. The Irish constitution is the fundamental law of the country.

    If European law is found not to be compatible with the Irish constitution, then that law cannot apply to Ireland. We hold referenda in this country to amend our constitution every so often by inserting European treaties, in which case these treaties form part of the Irish constitution.

    But European law can not take precedence over the Irish constitution.

    Now thats a whole other thread.But thanks as i do hate when people think EU law has power over Irish law.Luckily it does not or this country would be in a worse state of affairs.

    I just thanked that because it was so intelligent :)


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  • #22
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    Gran Hermano wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=523822

    lol very funny :D


  • #23
    GowlBag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭GowlBag


    Jesus my eyes are bleeding after reading the OP. It's real fückin painful to read broken English. OP are you a native English speaker? If so, did you find your education in a lucky bag?


  • #24
    Cian92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Cian92


    greimorm wrote: »
    Now thats a whole other thread.But thanks as i do hate when people think EU law has power over Irish law.Luckily it does not or this country would be in a worse state of affairs.

    I just thanked that because it was so intelligent :)

    EU law does actually supercede all forms of Irish Law, including constitutional law. I forget which particular court case by the European Court of Justice found that.


  • #25
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    GowlBag wrote: »
    Jesus my eyes are bleeding after reading the OP. It's real fückin painful to read broken English. OP are you a native English speaker? If so, did you find your education in a lucky bag?

    Sorry copy and pastes from the Irish constitution convey to you a education from an lucky bag ? :P


  • #26
    Sister Assumpta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Sister Assumpta


    Cian92 wrote: »
    EU law does actually supercede all forms of Irish Law, including constitutional law. I forget which particular court case by the European Court of Justice found that.
    European law does not supercede Irish constitutional law. The only time European law ever enjoys parity with our constitution is when we insert it into our constitution.

    There was no such court judgement.


  • #27
    Naomi00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    lividduck wrote: »
    European law supercedes the deValera Constitution, and European law prohibits discrimination on grounds of gender, so the Irish Catholic Constitution, if the Op is correct, discriminates against men, so it is in breach of EU law.
    Perhaps the OP is still longing for the good old days when marital rape was legal, we had the marraige bar, and a woman needed her husbands permission to open a bank account.

    Where did you get that from? :confused:

    As far I as remember it's called Bunreacht na hÉireann..


  • #28
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Cian92 wrote: »
    EU law does actually supercede all forms of Irish Law, including constitutional law. I forget which particular court case by the European Court of Justice found that.

    There is an easy solution for that. The country could just leave the EU.


  • #29
    GowlBag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭GowlBag


    An education


  • #30
    greimorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greimorm


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There is an easy solution for that. The country could just leave the EU.
    AH sure there will be no EU in few years luckily lol


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  • #31
    themadchef
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    greimorm wrote: »
    The state shall therefore endeavor that mothers should not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

    The days of scrubbing the door step are over Mrs.

    I'm out working to give my kids a better life. The state havent a pot to píss in and neither will my kids if it's up to them.

    I love my job, i love my kids and Godammit i love having a few bob for the the state to give the mothers who decide to stay at home, scrubbing their fúcking door steps.


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