Pole On the Dole In a Hole Plays the Troll

jajjay · 01-02-2012 10:29AM

Definately Bundoran

micropig · 01-02-2012 10:30AM

theg81der wrote: »

Are you trying to insinuate there is not people on the breadline earning €500 a week because thats not true. I personally know a family of 4 who have €80 after bills (morgage etc) to live on. I`m lost as to how they are managing, they can`t affort to go to the doctor, go for a coffee etc that sounds like the breadline to me.

No insinuating anything, just asking for budgetting tips she may have picked up living frugally. - Maybe every one could benefit from them (sorry to limit it to people earning €500/week & under, didn't mean to offend. Is it better if I raise the limit of people who can avail of these tips to those earning under €1000/week?)

IvyTheTerrible · 01-02-2012 10:33AM

Just heard a Polish journalist on the John Murray show, saying that the article that originally appeared in the Polish newspaper and which was quoted by the Irish Independent was mistranslated, and she didn't say half of what they said she said.

smash · 01-02-2012 10:34AM

Donegal is a "s***hole"? :eek::eek::eek:

danniemcq · 01-02-2012 10:35AM

theg81der wrote: »

More inaccuracies :

-If Magda was living with her boyfriend as she said they would be assessed jointly and would only be getting €312 a week in social welfare so she could not be in receipt of €188 as stated.

-Her rent is only allowed to be a maximum of €350 per month for a couple in Donegal with a minimum contribution for a couple of €35. Therefore the maximum they would be in recipt of would be €70 per month in rent supplement so where is the €59 figure coming from?

-Also a quick look on daft shows me that there are no properties by the sea to walk on the beach at this price point.

-And just in case no one saw that earlier back to work allowance was cancelled in 2009 so it is not possible for her to have been advised to apply for something which doesn`t exist.

Don't tell Social Welfare that you are a couple, just 2 people living together. Both would then get full payments.

And saying that there is no houses by beach for that price is nuts!

Have you seen a map of Donegal? its got a quite big shoreline so beaches are pretty easy to find.

plus just because you can't find it on daft doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. thats crazy talk!

there might be loads of places that are being rented off the books etc too!

gcgirl · 01-02-2012 10:35AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Just heard a Polish journalist on the John Murray show, saying that the article that originally appeared in the Polish newspaper and which was quoted by the Irish Independent was mistranslated, and she didn't say half of what they said she said.

Did Niamh whoran write the artitcle ?
Really adding fuel to the xenophobic fire

nicebutdim · 01-02-2012 10:36AM

I really question the value of a story like this. It adds nothing to any debate. What does the journo suggest should be done? It's just throwing a load of unverifiable insinuations in to the air......

Oh hang on..it's the Indo....

Before you make up your mind, open it..!!!! :eek:

theg81der · 01-02-2012 10:42AM

danniemcq wrote: »

Don't tell Social Welfare that you are a couple, just 2 people living together. Both would then get full payments.

And saying that there is no houses by beach for that price is nuts!

Have you seen a map of Donegal? its got a quite big shoreline so beaches are pretty easy to find.

plus just because you can't find it on daft doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. thats crazy talk!

there might be loads of places that are being rented off the books etc too!

Never seen that work with social welfare I`m afraid and I would think they are probably in a one bed flat. Again the figure she quoted for rent supplement (€59) doesn`t add up at all. Please show me a property for €350 by the beach and I`ll say I was mistaken about this.

Any idea how she could have been told to wait and apply for an allowance that doesn`t exist?

--Kaiser-- · 01-02-2012 10:45AM

She has worked in this country and so has contributed tax and PRSI. I'd be more bothered about the thousands of people in this country who have never worked and will likely be on the dole their entire lives

ntlbell · 01-02-2012 10:46AM

theg81der wrote: »

Never seen that work with social welfare I`m afraid and I would think they are probably in a one bed flat. Again the figure she quoted for rent supplement (€59) doesn`t add up at all. Please show me a property for €350 by the beach and I`ll say I was mistaken about this.

Any idea how she could have been told to wait and apply for an allowance that doesn`t exist?

if the suppliment is 59e is there a maximum the SW will allow you rent?

or if your footing the short fall does it matter?

ntlbell · 01-02-2012 10:47AM

theg81der wrote: »

Never seen that work with social welfare I`m afraid and I would think they are probably in a one bed flat. Again the figure she quoted for rent supplement (€59) doesn`t add up at all. Please show me a property for €350 by the beach and I`ll say I was mistaken about this.

Any idea how she could have been told to wait and apply for an allowance that doesn`t exist?

this looks close enough less than 350e

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=973025

apartment right beside the beach for 240e a month..

want.

skregs · 01-02-2012 10:53AM

theg81der wrote: »

Never seen that work with social welfare I`m afraid

I actually know several couples living together getting assessed independently. She gives her mothers house as her primary residence, no more questions asked.

Donegal properties for around €350 a month:

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1121714
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=807323
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=793183
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1147375
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1127143

It's certainly not unfeasible. The only part that really catches is the advice she got about back to work schemes, but then something could have been lost in translation

micropig · 01-02-2012 10:53AM

€59 rent allowand & €30 she pays herself = €89

http://www.rent.ie/houses-to-let/15a-Chestnut-Grove-Glencar-Letterkenny-Co-Donegal/1163427/

House here for €90/week

danniemcq · 01-02-2012 10:53AM

theg81der wrote: »

Never seen that work with social welfare I`m afraid and I would think they are probably in a one bed flat. Again the figure she quoted for rent supplement (€59) doesn`t add up at all. Please show me a property for €350 by the beach and I`ll say I was mistaken about this.

Any idea how she could have been told to wait and apply for an allowance that doesn`t exist?

when myself and the gf were both unemployeed we were living together and were both getting full amount, social welfare called round one day for general q&a session and thats when i mentioned living together.

the next week both our doles were cut by at least 30 quid each,

i know of others up here that with one working and OH on dole. On all forms she either says she is in the house on her own or she is just living with a housemate. if she didn't she would only get around 70 a week or something like that.

90 quid a week isn't to bad, myself for example living in Letterkenny in the middle of town in a great location with a garden and 2 bedrooms is only just over 100 a week.

i have other mates around town or in other houses all for the same kinda price.

So a house for 90 a week? yeah aim for outside of town or a fair bit out the prices would drop hugely, beaches/shorlines are everywhere up here and there are loads of golfcourses around up here.

I don't know the details about payments and allowences etc right now so i can't comment on that part

working fool · 01-02-2012 10:54AM

Two brothers worked with us
One married with 3 kids and one single
And last year the married guy was laid off .
He was offered his job back last month but declined it because of paycuts and his welfare payments more than covered his out goings .
You couldent really blame him for that
And he did pay all his taxes& prsi when he was working .

But the odd thing is ,
His cousin flew over to Ireland and took the job ?

gcgirl · 01-02-2012 10:55AM

skregs wrote: »

theg81der wrote: »

Never seen that work with social welfare I`m afraid

I actually know several couples living together getting assessed independently. She gives her mothers house as her primary residence, no more questions asked.

Donegal properties for around €350 a month:

http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1121714
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=807323
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=793183
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1147375
http://www.daft.ie/searchrental.daft?id=1127143

It's certainly not unfeasible. The only part that really catches is the advice she got about back to work schemes, but then something could have been lost in translation

That's fraud if she gives her mothers place as her residence

micropig · 01-02-2012 10:55AM

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_and_work/back_to_work_enterprise_allowance.html

Back to work enterprise allowance for those wanting to be self employed

theg81der · 01-02-2012 10:56AM

ntlbell wrote: »

if the suppliment is 59e is there a maximum the SW will allow you rent?

or if your footing the short fall does it matter?

It says the minimum contribution is €35 per week for a couple and the maximum rent is €350 per month so its just not possible to be getting €59. you have to provide evidence for landlord or bank account of the amount your paying so you cannot fill the shortfall. There trying to stop rent levels being kept artificially high by rent supplement.

skregs · 01-02-2012 10:56AM

gcgirl wrote: »

That's fraud if she gives her mothers place as her residence

It is indeed.

andrewdeerpark · 01-02-2012 10:57AM

We have council estates the length of the country full of generations of IRISH that never worked a day in their life. The dole scamming passed from generation to generation with the local “pot hole filling” TD a valuable source of information on your entitlements coupled with citizen advice.

Amazing when another nationality cops on to this NEVERENDING, best in Europe welfare system, the Irish start to rage.

The problem is the system not the Polish (or whatever other nationality) claiming off it. The girl probably worked up her stamps on minimum wage in some shop deli giving out breakfast rolls during the building boom and is now perfectly entitled to her welfare and good on her; we might now look at fixing this system.

smash · 01-02-2012 10:58AM

From what I've heard, that polish paper is very anti polish emigrants and is not a reliable source at all.

micropig · 01-02-2012 10:59AM

danniemcq wrote: »

when myself and the gf were both unemployed we were living together and were both getting full amount, social welfare called round one day for general q&a session and thats when i mentioned living together.

the next week both our doles were cut by at least 30 quid each,

i know of others up here that with one working and OH on dole. On all forms she either says she is in the house on her own or she is just living with a housemate. if she didn't she would only get around 70 a week or something like that.

90 quid a week isn't to bad, myself for example living in Letterkenny in the middle of town in a great location with a garden and 2 bedrooms is only just over 100 a week.

i have other mates around town or in other houses all for the same kinda price.

So a house for 90 a week? yeah aim for outside of town or a fair bit out the prices would drop hugely, beaches/shorlines are everywhere up here and there are loads of golfcourses around up here.

I don't know the details about payments and allowences etc right now so i can't comment on that part

Yes you have to declare if your cohabiting regardless of what other people are doing

skregs · 01-02-2012 10:59AM

smash wrote: »

that polish paper is very anti polish

So's your avatar

gcgirl · 01-02-2012 11:00AM

smash wrote: »

From what I've heard, that polish paper is very anti polish emigrants and is not a reliable source at all.

Wonders if sir tony or sir rupert own it

theg81der · 01-02-2012 11:02AM

micropig wrote: »

€59 rent allowand & €30 she pays herself = €89

http://www.rent.ie/houses-to-let/15a-Chestnut-Grove-Glencar-Letterkenny-Co-Donegal/1163427/

House here for €90/week

She can`t be getting €59 thou thats the problem!

woodoo · 01-02-2012 11:03AM

marcsignal wrote: »

If she's walking along beaches with her partner, when she's supposed to be working, would it be safe to guess he's on the scratcher as well ?

Well she is claiming the single persons rate. If she is living with her boyfriend and he is claiming the same then that is fraud. They have her name. Check it out.

The dole for anyone without debts is a breeze. It is costing the state 21 billion a year. We are taking in 35 billion. It must be cut and people like her need to go home if they can't find a job in 6 months.

theg81der · 01-02-2012 11:05AM

micropig wrote: »

€59 rent allowand & €30 she pays herself = €89

http://www.rent.ie/houses-to-let/15a-Chestnut-Grove-Glencar-Letterkenny-Co-Donegal/1163427/

House here for €90/week

No she`s only allowed €350 thats €360.

ntlbell · 01-02-2012 11:05AM

gcgirl wrote: »

That's fraud if she gives her mothers place as her residence

Well spotted Sherlock.

ntlbell · 01-02-2012 11:06AM

theg81der wrote: »

No she`s only allowed €350 thats €360.

The one I gave was only 240e

micropig · 01-02-2012 11:06AM

theg81der wrote: »

She can`t be getting €59 thou thats the problem!

Why can't she get €59?

Edit: I see max €350

doesn't mean she wasn't making up the difference

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