Is Sinn Fein a Cult?

KeithAFC · 31-01-2012 11:09PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Ah it's nothing new Keith, every political party or "cause" always has a propaganda hero. I don't think Sands would have been a fan of SF though based on all those classified files released under the 30 year rule.

Bobby Sands would be a dissident now. The sort of thing Sinn Fein now hate more than the British.

dinorebel · 31-01-2012 11:09PM

If any party in this country is a cult surely it would be FF what other explanation could there be for it still getting 15/20% in the polls.

RobbingBandit · 31-01-2012 11:12PM

What's up OP, did Celtic beat your favorite team or something?

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:14PM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I ask only because there are a half dozen unionist posters from Northern Ireland like Keith up above who participate in every one of these discussions and have nothing good to say about Ireland or the Irish, racists basically, preferring instead that their fantasy manifest destiny oppressing the rest of us be somehow realised.

So that wouldn't describe you?

Absolutely not - born and bred in this country and sorry to sound slightly patriotic but f*u*c*k*i*n*g love it! Hate to see what FF/FG have done to our country just as much as everyone else. I'd certainly never denigrate it to make it sound inferior to any other group, in fact, would proudly boast and defend it anytime, anywhere.

Hope that answers it.

My contentions are directly purely at the sewery scum losers that propagate absolute trite just to maintain what they believe, to be superiority of their party.

Icepick · 31-01-2012 11:15PM

They are national socialists.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:16PM

Icepick wrote: »

They are national socialists.

First cousins, or maybe inbred descendents

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:18PM

Icepick wrote: »

They are national socialists.

..despite being left wing, anti-racist, pro-gay marriage.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:18PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Bobby Sands would be a dissident now. The sort of thing Sinn Fein now hate more than the British.

Am I the only one that finds the deliberate hijacking of a dead person who must have suffered, for political gain slightly, if not, absolutely disgusting?

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:19PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

First cousins, or maybe inbred descendents

I'm so glad you're here for a serious discussion, and not just throwing out abuse to get a reaction.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:22PM

Nodin wrote: »

I'm so glad you're here for a serious discussion, .

You came to After Hours for a serious discussion? More fool you... :rolleyes:

[Edit: Wonder how long it will take Notorious to 'Thank' your post :-) ]

Gee Bag · 31-01-2012 11:22PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Bobby Sands would be a dissident now.

On what basis are you able to make an assertion like this? Is it guess work or do you have a ouija board?

KeithAFC · 31-01-2012 11:22PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

Am I the only one that finds the deliberate hijacking of a dead person who must have suffered, for political gain slightly, if not, absolutely disgusting?

That is Sinn Fein for you. It is well documented Sinn Fein allowed the last remaining hunger strikers to die as it was a fantastic propaganda opportunity.

Toby Take a Bow · 31-01-2012 11:23PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

That would be the creepy change to stay in power, analogous to the Catholic Church's stances changing over the years to maintain public support. Chameleons at best...

So they do change? This doesn't seem to hold with what you said when you said "They can't seem to forget the past and refuse to do so".

And a party changing its ideology over 70 years or so? Fairly common, I would've thought, especially seeing as they're a political party. See: democratic party and republican party, but especially see FF who seemed to hold many many different political ideologies all at the same time.

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:24PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

You came to After Hours for a serious discussion? More fool you... :rolleyes:

[Edit: Wonder how long it will take Notorious to 'Thank' your post :-) ]

I don't come here to see baseless shite thrown out as fact, certainly.

Why didn't you start this in politics?

Toby Take a Bow · 31-01-2012 11:25PM

Nodin wrote: »

..despite being left wing, anti-racist, pro-gay marriage.

Our local councillor, while not national socialist, is worryingly right-wing for a supposed leftist party.

But yeah, most of SF would be leftist.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:26PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

So they do change? This doesn't seem to hold with what you said when you said "They can't seem to forget the past and refuse to do so".

It's not really change, because the essence of them remains the same. Allotropes if you want, changing forms of essentially the same substance. The essential fanaticism by which they operate is almost unchangeable. The anti-British/USA/Israeli rhetoric hasn't changed. The hijacking of dead people for propaganda hasn't changed. The leaders who support all this maintain the same views. A few minor changes don't really change anything.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:28PM

Nodin wrote: »

Why didn't you start this in politics?

None of your business

I'm happy here so leave me be

Gee Bag · 31-01-2012 11:31PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

Am I the only one that finds the deliberate hijacking of a dead person who must have suffered, for political gain slightly, if not, absolutely disgusting?

I don't understand how you can say Bobby Sands death was hijacked. The man conciously chose to accept a slow, terrible death to further the cause he believed in.

You don't have to be a shinner to admire someone with the courage to do that. I think it's perfectly acceptable that he and the other hunger strikers should be remembered.

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:32PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

None of your business

I'm happy here so leave me be

....nothing to do with the fact that its total **** that would be locked in a heartbeat. You're probably suprised its been allowed here.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:33PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

I don't understand how you can say Bobby Sands death was hijacked. The man conciously chose to accept a slow, terrible death to further the cause he believed in.

You don't have to be a shinner to admire someone with the courage to do that. I think it's perfectly acceptable that he and the other hunger strikers should be remembered.

Of course people should be remembered, but what other political party goes on and on and on about it? Everyone remembers it, only one party hijacks it emotionally for political gain.

Moreover, I don't think suicide should be admired.

Gee Bag · 31-01-2012 11:36PM

Of course people should be remembered, but what other political party goes on and on and on about it? Everyone remembers it, only one party hijacks it emotionally for political gain.

Moreover, I don't think suicide should be admired.

Other than the IRSP I don't remember any other political party being activley involved in the hunger strike.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:39PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Other than the IRSP I don't remember any other political party being activley involved in the hunger strike.

That's irrelevant, everyone can relate to a movement and figures such as himself given the importance of such an issue. Either way, I think its disgusting, and I repeat, I don't think anyone should admire suicide.

You can dress this suicide in political clothing all you want, but its essentially some fanatic killing himself for seemingly little reason. Even if it DID cause his dreams to come true, I still would never celebrate the suicide of another individual, or indeed celebrate it as a recommended form for sending a political message.

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:42PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

That's irrelevant, .........

Nol, its entirely relevant. FG hold the various Michael Collins commemorations, FF, FG and SF go to Bodenstown yearly.

Zebra3 · 31-01-2012 11:45PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

It's fairly common to hear criticisms of FF and FG and so forth, but I think the worst members of the Dail are actually Sinn Fein. I usually refer to them as 'The Cult of Sinn Fein'

Let's not forget how FF/FG (two sides of the same coin) handed huge powers within the state to the cult that is the Roman Catholic Church who preceeded to allow its members to rape and torture young children.

Even Ahern boasted about consulting the RC hierarchy and was happy enough to give them a bailout from the taxpayer for their crimes.

So you failed miserably with your attack on SF.

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:49PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

- Methods of Psychological Manipulation for Joining: Well advertised, I don't need to expound further.

Yes, you do.

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

- Leaving: Usually members will never leave due to this psychological conditioning. And from my experience, they have a tendency to doubt the crimes of other Socialists or Communists. For example, I once heard that Stalin didn't really kill all those people, the figures are 'grossly exaggerated'. But this logic never seems to apply to anyone outside Socialism and Communism..

Anecdotes eh? Very convincing.

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

The manipulation of people pretending they are acting for the minorities in the country, the continued lies and lies...everything about it. ..

Vague guff.

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:49PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nol, its entirely relevant. FG hold the various Michael Collins commemorations, FF, FG and SF go to Bodenstown yearly.

How can you possibly compare, without embarrassment, Michael Collins and a fanatic like Bobby 'Shifting' Sands?

How did Michael Collins suicide? What were the situations which led to Collins doing what he did, admirably in my opinion. I'm no pacifist by the way.

Exactly why the actions of, (and I reinforce the sentiment) the admiration of an individual who decided to suicide. 'Soldiers' (however defined) don't decide to suicide, they fight. The lazy and selfish thing to do is to say, "Ya, can't do it, so why not kill myself", horrendous at the very least. He should be remembered, but he's idolized almost. His action should be considered morally reprehensible.

Michael Collins is not even in the same league. It's like comparing the Premier League to a relegated team never to appear again.

Nodin · 31-01-2012 11:50PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

How can you possibly compare, without embarrassment, Michael Collins and a (......)like comparing the Premier League to a relegated team never to appear again.

You aren't very subtle, you know.

Gee Bag · 31-01-2012 11:50PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

That's irrelevant, everyone can relate to a movement and figures such as himself given the importance of such an issue. Either way, I think its disgusting, and I repeat, I don't think anyone should admire suicide.

You can dress this suicide in political clothing all you want, but its essentially some fanatic killing himself for seemingly little reason. Even if it DID cause his dreams to come true, I still would never celebrate the suicide of another individual, or indeed celebrate it as a recommended form for sending a political message.

The hunger strikes are commemerated by the two political parties whose members participated and died. How the hell is that irrelevent?

Do you not think it might look a bit silly if FF, FG, Labour etc all jumped on the commemeration band wagon.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on your opinions re. suicide

MisterEpicurus · 31-01-2012 11:51PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Let's not forget how FF/FG (two sides of the same coin) handed huge powers within the state to the cult that is the Roman Catholic Church who preceeded to allow its members to rape and torture young children.

Even Ahern boasted about consulting the RC hierarchy and was happy enough to give them a bailout from the taxpayer for their crimes.

So you failed miserably with your attack on SF.

You've no idea how critical I am of that...but this thread is focussed on the cult of SF.

Zebra3 · 31-01-2012 11:53PM

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

How can you possibly compare, without embarrassment, Michael Collins and a fanatic like Bobby 'Shifting' Sands?

Exactly.

Collins sold out to the Brits (typical Corkie).

Sands didn't.

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