Sherlock debates the Irish SOPA

MagicSean · 31-01-2012 08:35PM #1

Don't know if anyone saw this debate. Sherlock completely misses the point again. Boards.ie got a lot of mention. To paraphrase Sherlock "As long as boards obey the takedown notices they won't have to defend themselves in court". He just can't see the problem with this position. I can see it being the end of Youtube. I've never seen one video on that site that would be considered free of copyright material. He ended the debate by saying that he would be going ahead with his own wording for the SI.

eth0 · 31-01-2012 08:37PM

The dirty wee hoor of a fcuker.

biko · 31-01-2012 08:41PM

On telly? When?

RachaelVO · 31-01-2012 08:43PM

Why would you think he would get it? He's far to small minded to comprehend the entirety of the WWW

Bit of a twit really!

MagicSean · 31-01-2012 08:46PM

biko wrote: »

On telly? When?

It was streamed on The Journal. Got the last twenty minutes of it but there is a summary too.

http://www.thejournal.ie/liveblog-the-dail-debate-on-the-irish-sopa-342358-Jan2012/

smash · 31-01-2012 08:46PM

This thicko is the reason why we should be allowed to elect designated members of the government and not just a party as a whole.

He's a weapons grade moron!

Logical Fallacy · 31-01-2012 08:48PM

You are talking about a guy who had to scramble to hide the multiple instances of copyright infringement on his own website and then never actually answered a single question about said infringement.

Joshua Jones · 31-01-2012 08:51PM

He's only the messenger in fairness. Doubt very much he actually knows what he's signing.

PseudoFamous · 31-01-2012 08:51PM

MagicSean wrote: »

He ended the debate by saying that he would be going ahead with his own wording for the SI.

Is there any mechanism for allowing the public to fire individual members of the Dail they feel are underperforming? I think time would be better spent creating an ejection system for fools like these, than allowing these fools have everyone raped in the ass by MNCs.

My name is URL · 31-01-2012 08:54PM

He said he'll be consulting the Technical Group and their legal council on the matter. And virtually in the next breath stated that the wording of the thing will not be changed. What's the fcuking point in consultations and debates if the idiots already have their minds made up on the matter? This place gets worse by the day.

strobe · 31-01-2012 09:02PM

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Is there any mechanism for allowing the public to fire individual members of the Dail they feel are underperforming? I think time would be better spent creating an ejection system for fools like these, than allowing these fools have everyone raped in the ass by MNCs.

You're thinking of 'recall elections'. They are a common facet of direct democracy systems (along with referendums and initiatives) such as in Switzerland and the USA, they are not possible here under our current system.

I'd be a big proponent of the adoption of a system more DD based in Ireland.

Here's the Direct Democracy Ireland website, a political/advocacy group that promotes DD here. The have some good info on there if you're bored and want to kill some time.

Doc Ruby · 31-01-2012 09:25PM

So, is this going to be FGs banking guarantee?

Peanut · 31-01-2012 09:31PM

Joshua Jones wrote: »

He's only the messenger in fairness. Doubt very much he actually knows what he's signing.

He could have consulted his Information Service Provider.

The_Thing · 31-01-2012 09:40PM

A cruise missile fired at Leinster House when there's a full sitting of TD's would be more democratic than the shenanigans that FG \ Labour are getting up to in our name here and in Europe.

davpigboy · 31-01-2012 10:00PM

am i right in thinking that if this goes ahead that i could have every torrent site i know blocked by my isp in one swoop

smash · 31-01-2012 10:07PM

More than just torrent sites.

31-01-2012 10:14PM

This is a far reaching piece of legislation that could drastically reduce the freedom that the Internet offers. It could possibly result in numerous sites being taken down simply because they contain negative reviews/stories of an artist signed to a major label.

davpigboy · 31-01-2012 10:24PM

i don't think you will ever see the day when youtube or wikipedia are blocked because of an 'intellectual copyright breachment' it's the torrent site where the money is being lost and that is what they are after looks like it will be proxys vpns all the way until these companies of another generation are finally killed off

PseudoFamous · 31-01-2012 10:31PM

davpigboy wrote: »

i don't think you will ever see the day when youtube or wikipedia are blocked because of an 'intellectual copyright breachment' it's the torrent site where the money is being lost and that is what they are after looks like it will be proxys vpns all the way until these companies of another generation are finally killed off

That's the thing, though, you're completely wrong.

While the torrent sites may be blocked, they will never be stopped. It'd be putting barriers up for legitimate sites, and allow big copyright holders to monopolise further. The next facebook or youtube might be prevented because of it. What will happen to the torrent sites will be that they laugh over to TOR/Freenet/whatever, and continue with their business, while innocent sites get shut down. It's a stupid move enacted by stupid, selfish and ignorant people

MagicSean · 31-01-2012 10:37PM

davpigboy wrote: »

am i right in thinking that if this goes ahead that i could have every torrent site i know blocked by my isp in one swoop

That's the least of the worries. Lets say someone posts a video on boards in which they critique a movie and include clips of the movie for this purpose. This is acceptable under copyright law. However, if the owner of the copyright of the movie doesn't like the review they can issue boards with a take down notice to remove the video or face legal action. Now boards have to make a decision. Do they bow down to the copyright holder and remove the video even though it is perfectly legal or do they stand up to them and face possible court costs in the tens of thousands to fight the application for the injunction? Either way they lose.

davpigboy · 31-01-2012 10:39PM

PseudoFamous wrote: »

That's the thing, though, you're completely wrong.

While the torrent sites may be blocked, they will never be stopped. It'd be putting barriers up for legitimate sites, and allow big copyright holders to monopolise further. The next facebook or youtube might be prevented because of it. What will happen to the torrent sites will be that they laugh over to TOR/Freenet/whatever, and continue with their business, while innocent sites get shut down. It's a stupid move enacted by stupid, selfish and ignorant people

but isn't all of this being brought on by emi i honestly cannot see this as an attack on start up companies

Phill Ewinn · 31-01-2012 10:48PM

It has nothing to do with piracy. This is simply a way for media companies to get some control over the iinternet. Of fvcking course theres going to be ''content'' the media companies will want removed.

That will give them the opportunity to sell that ''content'' back to you. You'll be buying your internet back off some media company.

smash · 31-01-2012 10:49PM

On the bright side, RTE might be shut down!

marcsignal · 31-01-2012 11:00PM

Didn't look like much of a 'debate' from where I was watching.

Disgraceful turnout for such a serious matter imo

smash · 31-01-2012 11:03PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Didn't look like much of a 'debate' from where I was watching.

Disgraceful turnout for such a serious matter imo

That's a fkn disgrace!

Skopzz · 31-01-2012 11:15PM

Resist the Household Charge if he tries to implement this law. I know I will!

Stop SOPA should join up forces to form a MASSIVE campaign.

Spacedog · 31-01-2012 11:41PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIc6jZ5abW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNZuatGwWGI

uploaded on Stephen Donnelly's YT, I asked for him to upload the full debate, including Sherlock's 'I'm signing it anyway' finale.

If anything, this will wake people up to the way ACTA is being forced through the European Parliament as we speak. ACTA has been signed but not yet ratified by our MEPs

smash · 31-01-2012 11:53PM

Putting boards aside for a minute. I think what's needed is that every large Irish website that contains user submitted content should do a blackout for 24 hours. All classified ad sites, all blogs, all forums. And for users, I think a 24 hour blackout on all Irish news websites should happen too.

squod · 01-02-2012 12:10AM

marcsignal wrote: »

Didn't look like much of a 'debate' from where I was watching.

Disgraceful turnout for such a serious matter imo

I can't believe this. It's shocking the disrespect being shown. Thousands of jobs on the line. An effing fortune in revenue to be lost. What the fuhk are TDs playing at.

bedrock#1 · 01-02-2012 12:27AM

Domo230 wrote: »

Are there any protests organised yet?

AFAIK Garden of Rememberance 1 pm Saturday

01-02-2012 12:28AM

Sigh. It's beginning to look like it's a new set of clowns, but the same circus.

Sherlock debates the Irish SOPA

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