Sherlock debates the Irish SOPA

MagicSean

Don't know if anyone saw this debate. Sherlock completely misses the point again. Boards.ie got a lot of mention. To paraphrase Sherlock "As long as boards obey the takedown notices they won't have to defend themselves in court". He just can't see the problem with this position. I can see it being the end of Youtube. I've never seen one video on that site that would be considered free of copyright material. He ended the debate by saying that he would be going ahead with his own wording for the SI.

eth0

The dirty wee hoor of a fcuker.

biko

On telly? When?

RachaelVO

Why would you think he would get it? He's far to small minded to comprehend the entirety of the WWW

Bit of a twit really!

MagicSean

biko wrote: »

On telly? When?

It was streamed on The Journal. Got the last twenty minutes of it but there is a summary too.

http://www.thejournal.ie/liveblog-the-dail-debate-on-the-irish-sopa-342358-Jan2012/

smash

This thicko is the reason why we should be allowed to elect designated members of the government and not just a party as a whole.

He's a weapons grade moron!

Logical Fallacy

You are talking about a guy who had to scramble to hide the multiple instances of copyright infringement on his own website and then never actually answered a single question about said infringement.

Joshua Jones

He's only the messenger in fairness. Doubt very much he actually knows what he's signing.

PseudoFamous

MagicSean wrote: »

He ended the debate by saying that he would be going ahead with his own wording for the SI.

Is there any mechanism for allowing the public to fire individual members of the Dail they feel are underperforming? I think time would be better spent creating an ejection system for fools like these, than allowing these fools have everyone raped in the ass by MNCs.

My name is URL

He said he'll be consulting the Technical Group and their legal council on the matter. And virtually in the next breath stated that the wording of the thing will not be changed. What's the fcuking point in consultations and debates if the idiots already have their minds made up on the matter? This place gets worse by the day.

strobe

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Is there any mechanism for allowing the public to fire individual members of the Dail they feel are underperforming? I think time would be better spent creating an ejection system for fools like these, than allowing these fools have everyone raped in the ass by MNCs.

You're thinking of 'recall elections'. They are a common facet of direct democracy systems (along with referendums and initiatives) such as in Switzerland and the USA, they are not possible here under our current system.

I'd be a big proponent of the adoption of a system more DD based in Ireland.

Here's the Direct Democracy Ireland website, a political/advocacy group that promotes DD here. The have some good info on there if you're bored and want to kill some time.

Doc Ruby

So, is this going to be FGs banking guarantee?

Peanut

Joshua Jones wrote: »

He's only the messenger in fairness. Doubt very much he actually knows what he's signing.

He could have consulted his Information Service Provider.

The_Thing

A cruise missile fired at Leinster House when there's a full sitting of TD's would be more democratic than the shenanigans that FG \ Labour are getting up to in our name here and in Europe.

davpigboy

am i right in thinking that if this goes ahead that i could have every torrent site i know blocked by my isp in one swoop

smash

More than just torrent sites.

This is a far reaching piece of legislation that could drastically reduce the freedom that the Internet offers. It could possibly result in numerous sites being taken down simply because they contain negative reviews/stories of an artist signed to a major label.

davpigboy

i don't think you will ever see the day when youtube or wikipedia are blocked because of an 'intellectual copyright breachment' it's the torrent site where the money is being lost and that is what they are after looks like it will be proxys vpns all the way until these companies of another generation are finally killed off

PseudoFamous

davpigboy wrote: »

i don't think you will ever see the day when youtube or wikipedia are blocked because of an 'intellectual copyright breachment' it's the torrent site where the money is being lost and that is what they are after looks like it will be proxys vpns all the way until these companies of another generation are finally killed off

That's the thing, though, you're completely wrong.

While the torrent sites may be blocked, they will never be stopped. It'd be putting barriers up for legitimate sites, and allow big copyright holders to monopolise further. The next facebook or youtube might be prevented because of it. What will happen to the torrent sites will be that they laugh over to TOR/Freenet/whatever, and continue with their business, while innocent sites get shut down. It's a stupid move enacted by stupid, selfish and ignorant people

MagicSean

davpigboy wrote: »

am i right in thinking that if this goes ahead that i could have every torrent site i know blocked by my isp in one swoop

That's the least of the worries. Lets say someone posts a video on boards in which they critique a movie and include clips of the movie for this purpose. This is acceptable under copyright law. However, if the owner of the copyright of the movie doesn't like the review they can issue boards with a take down notice to remove the video or face legal action. Now boards have to make a decision. Do they bow down to the copyright holder and remove the video even though it is perfectly legal or do they stand up to them and face possible court costs in the tens of thousands to fight the application for the injunction? Either way they lose.

davpigboy

PseudoFamous wrote: »

That's the thing, though, you're completely wrong.

While the torrent sites may be blocked, they will never be stopped. It'd be putting barriers up for legitimate sites, and allow big copyright holders to monopolise further. The next facebook or youtube might be prevented because of it. What will happen to the torrent sites will be that they laugh over to TOR/Freenet/whatever, and continue with their business, while innocent sites get shut down. It's a stupid move enacted by stupid, selfish and ignorant people

but isn't all of this being brought on by emi i honestly cannot see this as an attack on start up companies

Phill Ewinn

It has nothing to do with piracy. This is simply a way for media companies to get some control over the iinternet. Of fvcking course theres going to be ''content'' the media companies will want removed.

That will give them the opportunity to sell that ''content'' back to you. You'll be buying your internet back off some media company.

smash

On the bright side, RTE might be shut down!

marcsignal

Didn't look like much of a 'debate' from where I was watching.

Disgraceful turnout for such a serious matter imo

smash

marcsignal wrote: »

Didn't look like much of a 'debate' from where I was watching.

Disgraceful turnout for such a serious matter imo

That's a fkn disgrace!

Skopzz

Resist the Household Charge if he tries to implement this law. I know I will!

Stop SOPA should join up forces to form a MASSIVE campaign.

Spacedog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIc6jZ5abW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNZuatGwWGI

uploaded on Stephen Donnelly's YT, I asked for him to upload the full debate, including Sherlock's 'I'm signing it anyway' finale.

If anything, this will wake people up to the way ACTA is being forced through the European Parliament as we speak. ACTA has been signed but not yet ratified by our MEPs

smash

Putting boards aside for a minute. I think what's needed is that every large Irish website that contains user submitted content should do a blackout for 24 hours. All classified ad sites, all blogs, all forums. And for users, I think a 24 hour blackout on all Irish news websites should happen too.

squod

marcsignal wrote: »

Didn't look like much of a 'debate' from where I was watching.

Disgraceful turnout for such a serious matter imo

I can't believe this. It's shocking the disrespect being shown. Thousands of jobs on the line. An effing fortune in revenue to be lost. What the fuhk are TDs playing at.

bedrock#1

Domo230 wrote: »

Are there any protests organised yet?

AFAIK Garden of Rememberance 1 pm Saturday

Sigh. It's beginning to look like it's a new set of clowns, but the same circus.

I just sent the following to Mr. Sherlock via the contact me page of his website. I would urge others to do the same.

Dear Mr. Sherlock,
I have been watching with much interest recent developments concerning the signing of a statutory instrument that would give the power to copyright holders to force ISPs to block certain sites that contain any material that breaches copyright. The trouble with this is that many large websites contain user generated content and will thus, inevitably contain some copyrighted material, at least temporarily, before the site owner gets a chance to remove it. This could potentially harm sites such as YouTube and facebook, and many, many more.

Blocking websites due to inevitable, small scale, copyright infringements is akin to treating headllice by decapitation.

I fear you have not fully understood the potential this has to damage the Irish economy. Internet based companies employ thousands of people, for example Google has around 1500 employees in Ireland. Do you think a company such as Google will be favourably impressed by a piece of legislation that will hinder the operation of their websites, and thus harm their revenue stream?

It appears that, rather similar to the previous Fianna Fáil government, your actions are being guided by certain vested interests, rather than what is best for the country. This disappoints me greatly.

I voted Labour in the previous general election. If you sign the statutory instrument as it currently stands I will not vote for your party again, and will advise my family and friends to do similar.

Yours sincerely,
James

gcgirl

JamesL85 wrote: »

Sigh. It's beginning to look like it's a new set of clowns, but the same circus.

Too right

marcsignal

Domo230 wrote: »

Not that I don't believe you but if I show up and there's nothing on I will loo quite the fool with my protest sign.

Still, if only 10 of us turn up, that's 6 more than were in the Dail for the 'Debate'

sunshiner

its a sad day for this country when this nonsense gets put into being. so we loose possible websites,jobs and any sense to the outside world that we are a country to invest in. well done sherlock pat yourself on the back you should be soooooooo proud of your self :rolleyes:

kirving

Not only should websites have a blackout, but so should the ISP's. A nice big homepage giving details on how to contact Sean Sherlock and the rest of the government would be fantastic.

The country would shut down.

smash

He's a joke. He has this statement on his website:

"I thank you for your comments and wish to state that the Government has no intention of introducing legislation that would restrict the freedom of Irish internet users.It is just not true that websites like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube could be blocked under a new statutory judgement currently being reviewed by the Cabinet.This is not SOPA-type legislation but a restatement of that which we [the Government] held existed in Irish law already."

Sykk

This guy is a fcuking clown.. Anyone listen to him on Pat Kenny?

Pat: Will the courts be able to block websites like Facebook, twitter and google?
Dickhead: Ehm well I'm under the impression that they won't
Pat: Yes or no, will they be able to block them?
Dickhead: It's my understanding that probably not

Yes they will you little rat. You know they will and can and you can fcuk off if you think anyone buys your bullshít.

Seachmall

Deleted User wrote: »

Blocking websites due to inevitable, small scale, copyright infringements is akin to treating headllice by decapitation.

Well said.

smash

Lets have a look at how many people Google, Twitter, Linkedin, boards, Facebook etc etc employ here Sherlock... now, do you really want those companies jumping ship?

Lone Stone

Im literally shocked & appalled by the turn out at the debate for this. So much so i think we should all get out there and demand a second debate and make them all show up this cant be good for the economy and i dont like some company dictating what we can cant do !! :mad:

StephenHendry

sunshiner wrote: »

its a sad day for this country when this nonsense gets put into being. so we loose possible websites,jobs and any sense to the outside world that we are a country to invest in. well done sherlock pat yourself on the back you should be soooooooo proud of your self :rolleyes:

exaclty, this is madness and potentially do a lot of damage to internet based firms like google. i think i heard google or facebook saying that they are looking to take on new people

MagicSean

StephenHendry wrote: »

exaclty, this is madness and potentially do a lot of damage to internet based firms like google. i think i heard google or facebook saying that they are looking to take on new people

I wonder will it effect Sky at all. They are looking to beign providing broadband shortly and have announced massive jobs as part of it.

smash

Forget google etc, take daft media. Boards could get shut down and daft could get shut down, just imagine the knock on effect to every advertiser and business user. The law is so bad that a photographer could claim copyright infringement because an auctioneer uploaded one of his images and bang, daft is gone. Same for carzone, Donedeal, myhome, I could go on and on. That's hundreds of thousands of users and businesses put out.

Seachmall

Seachmall wrote: »

Well said.

I have to admit I stole that line from Frank Zappa.

So naturally, that means all of boards.ie will now be taken down.

davpigboy

if this is eu law which we have to implement because everyone else within the eu has implemented then wouldn't that mean that that everyone else has this form of sopa all ready have i missed something?

PseudoFamous

davpigboy wrote: »

have i missed something?

Yes, it isn't European law, at all. The European law is almost exactly the opposite to what Sherlock is trying to impose.

Seachmall

davpigboy wrote: »

if this is eu law which we have to implement because everyone else within the eu has implemented then wouldn't that mean that that everyone else has this form of sopa all ready have i missed something?

You're mixing ACTA and Sherlock's SI up.

The former is a cock in the arse, the latter is one in the gob.

Nailz

Deleted User wrote: »

Blocking websites due to inevitable, small scale, copyright infringements is akin to treating headllice by decapitation.

Nice wee Frank Zappa quote, there.

someuser905

where is sherlock from? we need to send money to his rivals

Cianos

smash wrote: »

Forget google etc, take daft media. Boards could get shut down and daft could get shut down, just imagine the knock on effect to every advertiser and business user. The law is so bad that a photographer could claim copyright infringement because an auctioneer uploaded one of his images and bang, daft is gone. Same for carzone, Donedeal, myhome, I could go on and on. That's hundreds of thousands of users and businesses put out.

In reality this probably won't happen (at least I hope not!). But what will happen is websites becoming much harder to run, and user driven content having to be much more carefully scrutinised to avoid time consuming cases.

Ireland has been slow enough to catch up with the rest of the developed world as regards the industry, and just as it's picking up this spa is doing his best to hinder any progress at all.