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Would you like to see Ireland leave the European Union?

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  • #32
    Gareth2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Gareth2011


    Im not sure about the whole thing. I know we have come along way since joining the EU with regards to "everything". But I don't like the way merkozy is trying to literally take control of our little island. Now they want to do greece's budget for them so they can get it how they want it. I don't want to see that happen to Ireland or else there will be riots literally because the poor can't take anymore between the government, troika, germany, france. I think we prob would be better off out of it but id say its certain we would notice the difference.


  • #33
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    We should leave the Euro anyway. I wouldn't mind leaving the EU completely, but I definitely think we should be distancing ourselves instead of trying to get in even further. I really don't like where the EU seems to be going. It's becoming more and more controlling, which doesn't sit well with me at all.


  • #34
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    Mostly, yes. There are exceptions, but these EU wide laws are eroding our own Constitution. Ireland has become a shadow of it's recent free state past.


    Why do we require the EU for these regulations though? Why not write and maintain our own regulations. What the hell is the LRC for? If I don't like working, I would leave. Private Enterprise should not be chained down by too many anti competitive laws and regulations.

    Free state? Who the hell calls Ireland the Free State anymore?? :confused:

    When Ireland joined the EU, EU law superseded Irish law, and guess what? It had modernised, educated and improved Ireland in many many areas. It has it's weaknesses of course, but does everything. You have obviously never studied or lived in Ireland pre-EU membership and I think you have not a clue.

    Why do we need the EU for these regulations? Because that's their job, our Government was not bringing in these laws, we needed the EU to do that.

    The LRC concentrates on industrial relations :confused: They are not a legislative body.

    Anti-competitive laws? You do know the EU forced the Irish governments to be competitive, we had lots of monopolies before the EU, it was them who made it competitive.

    You don't know much do you?


  • #35
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    Fact is. You can say Ireland was a poor country during the free state era(before 73) but at least the Economy was stable. A moderately rich but very stable economy will always trump a very rich but extremely unstable economy. Look at where the EU has lead us too. A complete economic failure of catastrophic proportions. Slow and steady wins the race as they say.

    Stability > Economic expansion

    Yes, pretty clear you are talking out your ass here now. Go back to history class, come back when you learn a few things.


  • #36
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    Fact is. You can say Ireland was a poor country during the free state era(before 73) but at least the Economy was stable. A moderately rich but very stable economy will always trump a very rich but extremely unstable economy. Look at where the EU has lead us too. A complete economic failure of catastrophic proportions. Slow and steady wins the race as they say.

    Stability > Economic expansion



    This has to be a joke?


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  • #37
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    Fact is. You can say Ireland was a poor country during the free state era(before 73) but at least the Economy was stable. A moderately rich but very stable economy will always trump a very rich but extremely unstable economy. Look at where the EU has lead us too. A complete economic failure of catastrophic proportions. Slow and steady wins the race as they say.

    Stability > Economic expansion

    As regards Ireland pre 1973, your opinion is more than laughable.


  • #38
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    This has to be a joke?

    It's not, and sorry if it offends people, but this is the standard of intelligence from groups like occupy dame street and Dana-esque anti EU people.

    They are like our version of the Tea Party. Absolutely mad, hysterically stupid and constantly checking their tyres as they believe everyone is out to kill them.


  • #39
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Gareth2011 wrote: »
    Im not sure about the whole thing. I know we have come along way since joining the EU with regards to "everything". But I don't like the way merkozy is trying to literally take control of our little island. Now they want to do greece's budget for them so they can get it how they want it. I don't want to see that happen to Ireland or else there will be riots literally because the poor can't take anymore between the government, troika, germany, france. I think we prob would be better off out of it but id say its certain we would notice the difference.

    You should literally only used the word literally when something literally is going to happen.


  • #40
    TroikaBox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭TroikaBox


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Ireland would be nuts to leave the EU, in the same way that it would be nuts for the UK to pull out.

    I would argue Britain would be ok without the Union. They are without a shadow of a doubt the most anti-EU country within the EU. Only Switzerland and Norway come to mind.

    The arrogance of these people is shocking. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2087874/Martin-Schulz-new-European-Parliament-president-says-eurosceptics-mentally-weak.html


  • #41
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    I would argue Britain would be ok without the Union. They are without a shadow of a doubt the most anti-EU country within the EU. Only Switzerland and Norway come to mind off the top of my head. Lets not forget, most British Islands are ultimately the responsiblity of the Crown, but they are not governed by the European Union. And for good measure.

    Why don't you argue it then. I reject your claim that the UK would be okay if it chose to leave the Eurozone.


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  • #42
    Sindri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Free state? Who the hell calls Ireland the Free State anymore?? :confused:

    You don't know much do you?

    He said at least the economy was stable during the free state, even though we engaged in a Tariff War with Britain and our currency was pegged to the sterling.


  • #43
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    It's not, and sorry if it offends people, but this is the standard of intelligence from groups like occupy dame street and Dana-esque anti EU people.

    They are like our version of the Tea Party. Absolutely mad, hysterically stupid and constantly checking their tyres as they believe everyone is out to kill them.

    As long as they don't notice the pool of brake-fluid, we'll be okay.


  • #44
    Sindri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    Ah lads he's only a misinformed troll. Stop feeding him.


  • #45
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Batsy wrote: »
    Nope. Businesses have been attracted to Ireland because of your low corporation tax rate. Nothing to do with the EU.

    I should point out, though, that the EU wants stricken countries like Ireland to INCREASE their corporation tax rate. So it's fair to argue that the Eu is actually trying to take away the incentive for foreign firms to go to Ireland.

    Ireland would have none of its multinationals without the EU. If corporation tax rates are the determining factor, why don't they locate in India, which has far lower rates then us. Ireland having the second lowest in the EU is a factor, but the important point is the access to the EU market.


  • #46
    TroikaBox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭TroikaBox


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    Why don't you argue it then. I reject your claim that the UK would be okay if it chose to leave the Eurozone.

    That is ultimately the responsibility of their own Parliament. Will be interesting to see how the situation pans out. I hope the EU is eventually consigned to the dustbin. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5ivJVDejz-lFl-BcWuHt603cTwzfA?docId=N0183901327753870958A


  • #47
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    I would argue Britain would be ok without the Union. They are without a shadow of a doubt the most anti-EU country within the EU. Only Switzerland and Norway come to mind.

    The arrogance of these people is shocking. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2087874/Martin-Schulz-new-European-Parliament-president-says-eurosceptics-mentally-weak.html

    It doesn't take a genius to know that the Daily Mail is the the most anti-EU doom-mongering rag in the UK, to be taken with a pinch of salt at all times.

    Even the UK can't survive on its own in this world.


  • #48
    TroikaBox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭TroikaBox


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    It doesn't take a genius to know that the Daily Mail is the the most anti-EU doom-mongering rag in the UK, to be taken with a pinch of salt at all times.

    Even the UK can't survive on its own in this world.

    As far as I know, the Daily Mail aren't calling euroskeptics "weak". Slate the source of the information, not the medium. I treat the Daily mail as a medium only. If you can't be bothered to refer to the original source, well more luck to you.


  • #49
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    We should leave the Euro anyway. I wouldn't mind leaving the EU completely, but I definitely think we should be distancing ourselves instead of trying to get in even further. I really don't like where the EU seems to be going. It's becoming more and more controlling, which doesn't sit well with me at all.

    Exactly my opinion on the matter:)


  • #50
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I voted no but I would like Ireland to leave the EU and and remain a part of the EEA and EFTA like Norway giving us access to European markets without the regulation of interference from Brussels Germany.

    So we can sit by the fax machine waiting to be told what directives we have to adopt with no input into them in order to stay in said market?


  • #51
    TroikaBox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭TroikaBox


    Sindri wrote: »
    He said at least the economy was stable during the free state, even though we engaged in a Tariff War with Britain and our currency was pegged to the sterling.

    The EU would never allow Protectionism without their own approval. The country was poorer. But it was also more fiscally stable. You don't need to be needlessly rich to have a stable banking situation. EU is similar to a pyramid scheme. Those at the top will always benefit the most.


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  • #52
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Lads, I wouldn't bother responding to TroikaBox. In his other thread when he came up against arguments he couldn't explain away he just ignored them.

    Don't waste your breath.


  • #53
    Sindri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    The EU would never allow Protectionism without their own approval. The country was poorer. But it was also more fiscally stable. You don't need to be needlessly rich to have a stable banking situation. EU is similar to a pyramid scheme. Those at the top will always benefit the most.

    Your talking shite, I've already reported you for trolling.


  • #54
    TroikaBox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭TroikaBox


    Sindri wrote: »
    Your talking shite, I've already reported you for trolling.

    You're. I wish I was trolling. The poll speaks for itself.


  • #55
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    You're. I wish I was trolling. The poll speaks for itself.


    with the 55% support for staying in the EU it does. ;)


  • #56
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    All patriots should say no the EU. I know I do.


  • #57
    TroikaBox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭TroikaBox


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Excellent, hopefully that will mean Irish peoples voting in Fianna Fail in the future won't be so damaging to us again.

    The ECB originally lent the Irish Politicians this money. Therefore they are the source of this economic mess. You don't lend a child a scalpel. Likewise, you do not give clown Politicians Billions of euro without some heavy verification. Somebody was asleep at the wheel in Brussels.


  • #58
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    TroikaBox wrote: »
    The ECB originally lent the Irish Politicians this money. Therefore they are the source of this economic mess. You don't lend a child a scalpel. Likewise, you do not give clown Politicians Billions of euro without some heavy verification. Somebody was asleep at the wheel in Brussels.


    I agree, we as a people can't seem to run our own country properly at all so the more outside help we get the better. So staying in the EU is obviously a good thing for us and It's good that you're coming around to seeing that, fair play.


  • #59
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Originally Posted by Da Shins Kelly viewpost.gif
    We should leave the Euro anyway. I wouldn't mind leaving the EU completely, but I definitely think we should be distancing ourselves instead of trying to get in even further. I really don't like where the EU seems to be going. It's becoming more and more controlling, which doesn't sit well with me at all.

    This may happen, if the euro fails, but believe me you don't want it to happen, exactly what would be leaving the euro for. We have a tiny reserve of gold and the bond markets are closed to us.

    So we would virtually have a Zimbabwe a worthless currency I go as far to say you would see starvation here, that is how bad it would be.

    As for leaving the EU it really is not the time for it, but again if the currency fails it may break up anyway.


  • #60
    Predalien
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Predalien


    I'm not in favour of leaving the EU as it stands but I do consider us to have reached a point where further integration is not needed. Unfortunately the major powers in the EU don't think this way.


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  • #61
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    All patriots should say no the EU. I know I do.

    Patriot I always hated that word, but if I was a patriot and I am not, I could still be a patriot and be in the EU.


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