Why do people dislike Bernard Dunne?

lala88 · 29-01-2012 01:28PM #1

Seen this somewhere ealse and wanted to see what people taught. There seems to be general dislike of him outside of Dublin? People might say cos he was "Too Dublin" for the rest of the country.The beady eyes the harsh accent, but then so was Steve Collins, and everyone loved him in his day!
People also say he was cocky/arrogant? But he was no cockier or more arrogant than any other champion boxer in the world.

One thing about him though is after winning the world title he did become a bit of a sell out and was more intersted in getting his face in the media as much as he could insteed of defending his title. He also seemed to also go forr the handy fights and not go outside of Ireland.

So what do people think?

Howjoe1 · 29-01-2012 01:30PM

I don't know one person that dislikes him, so don't know where you got that perception from.

and I'm outside Dublin btw.

amdublin · 29-01-2012 01:31PM

Whut?

People don't like Bernard Dunne

efb · 29-01-2012 01:31PM

I don't dislike him, but didn't ever think he was world class. I never liked Collins

walshb · 29-01-2012 01:52PM

I think he's a likable guy. Who dislikes him as a person?

As a boxer I never rated him high. Just didn't see anything special. Neat boxer, slick, a good amateur career, but as a pro I didn't see anything special. When I analyse his career I see ONE win over a top ten rated opponent. One.

The rest of his wins came against very average, one or two above average, and some quite poor opponents.

If stating this equates to a dislike for Bernard, then I am a bit flummoxed.

What I did see as odd was the ridiculous hype from Peters and RTE and the whole camp when trying to portray some of the fights as top class, world class etc. That was just ridiculous, and may have led to this dislike/annoyance etc.

lala88 · 29-01-2012 02:02PM

I dont dislike him myself. Just see it somewhere and wanted to know if people had a view on it

walshb · 29-01-2012 02:04PM

lala88 wrote: »

I dont dislike him myself. Just see it somewhere and wanted to know if people had a view on it

I would think that mostly it's people outside of Dublin. Isn't that the general view anyway. Jealous of us Dubs!;)

YouTookMyName · 29-01-2012 02:09PM

Only man I ever seem to use his nose as a guard.

corny · 29-01-2012 03:14PM

I disliked the hype and the image that because he had a belt he was the best in the world. And i admit, shamefully, i'd a wry smile when Poonsawat dealt with him but i don't dislike him. Never met him.

chilipepper · 29-01-2012 04:21PM

Hey guys just found this forum.
I always thought bernard was a likeable guy and always gave 100% in the ring, and i respect him for that.
There is a few people who dont really follow boxing who dislike him just because he is a dub.

cowzerp · 29-01-2012 04:24PM

corny wrote: »

I disliked the hype and the image that because he had a belt he was the best in the world. And i admit, shamefully, i'd a wry smile when Poonsawat dealt with him but i don't dislike him. Never met him.

Promoters promote, he was great entertainment and a skilful boxer, as a fight fan I enjoyed every show I went to of his, only 2 I missed where his 2 defeats!!

tfitzgerald · 29-01-2012 04:24PM

I have to say I like him too

walshb · 29-01-2012 04:31PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Promoters promote, he was great entertainment and a skilful boxer, as a fight fan I enjoyed every show I went to of his, only 2 I missed where his 2 defeats!!

Great entertainment against guys who were just very poor. I mean, anyone can look good, and entertain under those circumstances. The hype was really laughable if you look at it from a subjective view. Not saying one cannot enjoy, but really the enjoyment/entertainment should be fully analysed. When he stepped up the entertainment was NILL, for me, apart from a great buzz in March 2009 vs. Cordoba. Getting destroyed vs. Kiko and PK was a sad site.

As an analyst and speaker I always found him to be quite good. Nice guy too.

harry Bailey esq · 29-01-2012 04:35PM

seems like quite an amiable chap to me,most pro boxers by their very mature put themselves across as cocky to the extreme,havnt seen that from Bernard to be fair.

cowzerp · 29-01-2012 04:45PM

walshb wrote: »

Great entertainment against guys who were just very poor. I mean, anyone can look good, and entertain under those circumstances. The hype was really laughable if you look at it from a subjective view. Not saying one cannot enjoy, but really the enjoyment/entertainment should be fully analysed. When he stepped up the entertainment was NILL, for me, apart from a great buzz in March 2009 vs. Cordoba. Getting destroyed vs. Kiko and PK was a sad site.

1st off his opposition was ok, not world class like Mcgee would make out but they where not bad-secondly people who went enjoyed it so got entertained and there moneys worth, the thread is why was he disliked, not was he good etc,,, i don't want this to turn into a Dunne's ability thread.

unless thats why you don't like him-overall i think he's liked and the people who dislike him tend to be the bitter Irish type that don't like seen people do well for themselves.

Don Booker · 29-01-2012 05:03PM

Good singer.

tryingmybestt · 29-01-2012 05:59PM

who doesn't like Dunne....never heard this before

he was great for boxing in ireland

his title winning fight was one of the most exciting fights ever with an irish boxer involved....i remember the atmosphere at the o2, unbelievable

he was an excellent amateur and always down to earth

keane=cock · 29-01-2012 06:58PM

personally i liked him both as a person and as a boxer.

as for the dislike of him? yeah ive heard a bit of it. but i think it was more a dislike for what they considered an over rated fighter than his personality.

colly10 · 29-01-2012 08:43PM

I don't think i've ever heard of someone disliking him as a person. He always comes across very we'll any time i've seen him being interviewed.
Some find him overrated but I don't think he has been disliked because of it

barney4001 · 29-01-2012 09:37PM

im surprised at that statement i always thought he was an ok guy,never fancied him to win a world title though a classy boxer but no dig,but he proved me wrong anyway,when he won the title he looked done and dusted but fair play he got up and found the strength from somewhere to win by ko,i had a feeling that Poonsawatt would soon get to Bernard' far to strong a puncher for him
i think Jimmy Magee is very baised where irish fighters are concerned,if you listened to him Ireland is awash with would be world champions

dlofnep · 29-01-2012 09:41PM

All the naysayers were shut up when he beat Cordoba. That was a war, and he fought his heart out to win it. I think Bernard's biggest flaw was his chin was a little suspect, and that it totally outside of his control. His heart was in every fight, but in his 2 losses - his legs gave out, even if every other part of his body wanted to stay in it.

He brought interest in boxing back to Ireland. I liked him. He was a bit cocky - but that's boxing for you. He won't be the first cocky fighter, and certainly won't be the last.

As for rating him - I think he was a very skillful boxer - just lacked power and chin. Stuff you either have or you don't. If he had either of them, he would have gone on to become one of the greatest SBW's.

walshb · 29-01-2012 11:05PM

If one thinks Dunne was disliked as a person/boxer, what does it say about Khan?

lala88 · 29-01-2012 11:08PM

barney4001 wrote: »

im surprised at that statement i always thought he was an ok guy,never fancied him to win a world title though a classy boxer but no dig,but he proved me wrong anyway,when he won the title he looked done and dusted but fair play he got up and found the strength from somewhere to win by ko,i had a feeling that Poonsawatt would soon get to Bernard' far to strong a puncher for him
i think Jimmy Magee is very baised where irish fighters are concerned,if you listened to him Ireland is awash with would be world champions

Thats very true but thats the same with RTE and any sport Ireland are in.

He was hyped up alot to be fair to him and plus he was always fighting in Ireland so he always had the home crowd! It just seemed to me he never went looking for the big fights. Now id have alot more respect from them then i would Kenny Egan who clearly is happy being the big fish in the small pond

walshb · 29-01-2012 11:10PM

lala88 wrote: »

Thats very true but thats the same with RTE and any sport Ireland are in.

He was hyped up alot to be fair to him and plus he was always fighting in Ireland so he always had the home crowd! It just seemed to me he never went looking for the big fights. Now id have alot more respect from them then i would Kenny Egan who clearly is happy being the big fish in the small pond

Egan is an amateur. That small pond is called the world.

lala88 · 29-01-2012 11:15PM

walshb wrote: »

Egan is an amateur. That small pond is called the world.

Yes but after winning an Olympic medal any boxer whos any bit good should be turning pro. He's 30 years old now so his chance is gone

walshb · 29-01-2012 11:17PM

lala88 wrote: »

Yes but after winning an Olympic medal any boxer whos any bit good should be turning pro. He's 30 years old now so his chance is gone

So from your post do you believe he loses your respect because he chose to stay as an amatuer?

I would analyse Dunne's pro career before making that statement. I wouldn't lose respect for either man, the one who goes pro or the one who stays amateur.

My view is that Egan never would have suited the pro game anyway. Same as Carruth didn't and some other very good amateurs. Sure, Dunne's style wasn't really suited to the pro game either, when you look at it.

lala88 · 29-01-2012 11:23PM

walshb wrote: »

So from your post do you believe he loses your respect because he chose to stay as an amatuer?

I would analyse Dunne's pro career before making that statement. I wouldn't lose respect for either man, the one who goes pro or the one who stays amateur.

My view is that Egan never would have suited the pro game anyway. Same as Carruth's didn't and some other very good amateurs. Sure, Dunne's style wasn't really suited to the pro game either, when you look at it.

Is says alot about him if you ask me. Surly thats a boxers aim to turn pro? Carruth did turn pro may not have been a success but at least he took a chance

walshb · 29-01-2012 11:27PM

lala88 wrote: »

Is says alot about him if you ask me. Surly thats a boxers aim to turn pro? Carruth did turn pro may not have been a success but at least he took a chance

He took a chance, but really, for what? Money and to make a name. And fair play to him. Egan could have turned pro and met a host of average and less than average fighters and made a few bob. I don't think he stayed amatuer out of any fear or a lack of balls.

tryingmybestt · 29-01-2012 11:29PM

egan stayed amateur because he knew he wouldn't make a good professional

colly10 · 29-01-2012 11:51PM

lala88 wrote: »

Yes but after winning an Olympic medal any boxer whos any bit good should be turning pro. He's 30 years old now so his chance is gone

Egan was a top class amature, he's just not suited to the pro game though.
Pro is a different game and a good amature does not necessarily make a good pro.

I can't understand anyone being critical of him, the guy has been at the top of the game for a long time. Even now with his best years behind him Ward is the only one at 81kg that's at his level

LeBash · 29-01-2012 11:59PM

cowzerp wrote: »

corny wrote: »

I disliked the hype and the image that because he had a belt he was the best in the world. And i admit, shamefully, i'd a wry smile when Poonsawat dealt with him but i don't dislike him. Never met him.

Promoters promote, he was great entertainment and a skilful boxer, as a fight fan I enjoyed every show I went to of his, only 2 I missed where his 2 defeats!!

So, its actually your fault then. I now dislike you and hold Bernard in the highest place I'd respect.

Why do people dislike Bernard Dunne?

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