Murdered Romanian girl's remains found

Father Damo · 27-01-2012 01:36PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

There I was thinking that some complete and utter scumbag abducted and murdered her.

Now I know it was her family to blame!

Thanks for clearing that one up Father.

If you are going to act like an ostrich why bother contributing to the debate?

lastlaugh · 27-01-2012 01:38PM

Father Damo wrote: »

If you are going to act like an ostrich why bother contributing to the debate?

And what debate are you referring to?

Wattle · 27-01-2012 01:48PM

Bambi wrote: »

Speaks buckets about her family. I wouldn't use "sad" as the description for that state of affairs.

No that's wrong. Her family are in active contact with the gardai. The issue is that they may not be able to afford to bring her body back home to be buried.

Dyr · 27-01-2012 01:48PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

And what debate are you referring to?

the wild guessing debate

Father Damo · 27-01-2012 01:56PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

And what debate are you referring to?

She was sent to Ireland to beg on the streets. Great family.

M cebee · 27-01-2012 02:01PM

Wattle wrote: »

Bambi wrote: »

Speaks buckets about her family. I wouldn't use "sad" as the description for that state of affairs.

No that's wrong. Her family are in active contact with the gardai. The issue is that they may not be able to afford to bring her body back home to be buried.

on rte sean reynolds said that the family were unaware of discovery of her body
as they couldnt be contacted

Wattle · 27-01-2012 02:07PM

M cebee wrote: »

on rte sean reynolds said that the family were unaware of discovery of her body
as they couldnt be contacted

Maybe so I heard otherwise.

suicide_circus · 27-01-2012 02:13PM

Dudess wrote: »

I bet she will get sympathy here. Those who usually go off on one about Roma can instead vent on how they'd like the culprits tortured.

John_Rambo wrote: »

There's a perverse hatred on boards.ie for the Roma. I don't understand it, but do a quick search and you will see what people here think of them, so she won't get much sympathy here. I'm pretty sure I remember her knocking around town. Tragic and shocking stuff.

Why bring that into it? You were the first to bring up Roma bashing, speaks volumes about your mindset. A young woman was brutalised and murdered. you are somehow trying use this horrific case to score off those posters on this forum who rightly object to the way the Roma operate. Neither the time not the place.

M cebee · 27-01-2012 02:15PM

Wattle wrote: »

M cebee wrote: »

on rte sean reynolds said that the family were unaware of discovery of her body
as they couldnt be contacted

Maybe so I heard otherwise.

no worries-it's hardly the most pertinent fact here anyway

vicwatson · 27-01-2012 02:19PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

So so so true. And, it's happening, excellent observation.

(and the thankers! Crawling out of the woodwork)

I for one have never criticised the Roma Gypsies here or anywhere else, I frankly don't give a toss where she was from, she was only a kid, a vunerable kid, and didn't deserve what she got.

I'm thinking of her as a human NOT as a Roma Gypsy, or a Romanian national or any other national for that matter - it's irrelevant. The assholes that treated her the way they did need to be punished. Simples

vicwatson · 27-01-2012 02:22PM

Have I got it right that she was 14 when abducted, sexually assaulted and shot in the head?

That makes the perpitrators paedophiles also right?, I hope they get there cumuppence in prison. :mad::mad:

Andy-Pandy · 27-01-2012 02:22PM

The guards should give the murderers name to the Roma gangs and let them take their own justice on him.

vicwatson · 27-01-2012 02:24PM

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

The guards should give the murderers name to the Roma gangs and let them take their own justice on him.

Yes, that would be a win win, as I'm sure the gardai would only be too happy to see the back of the scum.

pickarooney · 27-01-2012 02:39PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Have I got it right that she was 14 when abducted, sexually assaulted and shot in the head?

That makes the perpitrators paedophiles also right?, I hope they get there cumuppence in prison. :mad::mad:

No, she was 18 according to the article in the OP.

vicwatson · 27-01-2012 02:49PM

pickarooney wrote: »

No, she was 18 according to the article in the OP.

Wasn't sure if they meant (would have been) 18 now or was 18 on abduction

John_Rambo · 27-01-2012 03:36PM

Father Damo wrote: »

this girls own family sent her to the slaughter.

Good man! Someone proves my point!

Irish criminal rapes and murders a young foreign girl... But, it's her Roma families fault!

Twisted and perverse thinking there Damo! Well played.

fishy fishy · 27-01-2012 03:45PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

There's a perverse hatred on boards.ie for the Roma. I don't understand it, but do a quick search and you will see what people here think of them, so she won't get much sympathy here. I'm pretty sure I remember her knocking around town. Tragic and shocking stuff.

wow - she had only been in the country three weeks. Was missing since January 2008, and you can remember her "knocking around town" even tho she was only in the country for three weeks before that. :eek:

foxyboxer · 27-01-2012 03:53PM

Makes me long for a future where this would be the norm....

Turning on the Six-One News with Dobbo

"Anthony Connelly* of 123 Fake Street was executed today by firing squad following his conviction for the abduction, rape and murder of Miranda Twomey on the 13th December 2009....."

No legal ramblings, no drawn out court cases. Simply a brief court session. A passed verdict. A sharp exit from the court room. And a immediate execution with the body subsequently cremated (fudge the relatives). It wouldn't be long before the murder rate here was practically zero if that was the norm.

* suitably scummy sounding name.

Diddler1977 · 27-01-2012 03:58PM

Father Damo wrote: »

She was sent to Ireland to beg on the streets. Great family.

That may be.

But I'm sure her family didn't think that she was going to end up raped and murdered.

John_Rambo · 27-01-2012 04:04PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

wow - she had only been in the country three weeks. Was missing since January 2008, and you can remember her "knocking around town" even tho she was only in the country for three weeks before that. :eek:

Well, I said I wasn't sure if it was her fishy fishy. But I was working in the city centre and I did notice a similar looking Roma girl knocking around. Is that ok? Wow? Eek?

DrumSteve · 27-01-2012 04:04PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

Makes me long for a future where this would be the norm....

Turning on the Six-One News with Dobbo

"Anthony Connelly* of 123 Fake Street was executed today by firing squad following his conviction for the abduction, rape and murder of Miranda Twomey on the 13th December 2009....."

No legal ramblings, no drawn out court cases. Simply a brief court session. A passed verdict. A sharp exit from the court room. And a immediate execution with the body subsequently cremated (fudge the relatives). It wouldn't be long before the murder rate here was practically zero if that was the norm.

* suitably scummy sounding name.

No lets bypass producing evidence, the probability of innocence and the fact we could be executing an innocent man so joe public can get his pound of flesh. Also the murder rate would drop? Have you seen what happens in the states? If people are going to kill someone, they don't usually think of the consequenses.

omerin · 27-01-2012 04:26PM

Fortunatley everyone is entitled to a fair hearing Foxy. A firing squad would be too quick, I'd like to see them tortured. Let them know that for the first year in prison they will have x amount of hours per week in pain and increase it each year. Make their lives hell.

Its very rare that the guards would describe a death as they have done in this case. It is sickening that such people walk our streets.
This is the murder of a child, in such instances prisioners usually "sort" these people out, lets hope this is the case here

foxyboxer · 27-01-2012 04:36PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

No lets bypass producing evidence, the probability of innocence and the fact we could be executing an innocent man so joe public can get his pound of flesh. Also the murder rate would drop? Have you seen what happens in the states? If people are going to kill someone, they don't usually think of the consequenses.

This was not a moment-of-pure-madness, kill or be killed case and obviously evidence would be produced.

A minor was deliberately abducted, tortured, raped and murdered.

If a family member of mine carried out such an act, I would have no problems with getting 'my pound of flesh'.

DrumSteve · 27-01-2012 04:36PM

omerin wrote: »

Fortunatley everyone is entitled to a fair hearing Foxy. A firing squad would be too quick, I'd like to see them tortured. Let them know that for the first year in prison they will have x amount of hours per week in pain and increase it each year. Make their lives hell.

Its very rare that the guards would describe a death as they have done in this case. It is sickening that such people walk our streets.
This is the murder of a child, in such instances prisioners usually "sort" these people out, lets hope this is the case here

Seriously? Does this not make you just as bad as the person in question?

I despair reading this forum sometimes.

DrumSteve · 27-01-2012 04:39PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

This was not a moment-of-pure-madness, kill or be killed case and obviously evidence would be produced.

A minor was deliberately abducted, tortured, raped and murdered.

Consider someone like Anders Brehvik? That this guy still draws breath is simply a human tragedy.

So what? We murder/torture them?

How does that make us any better than the perpetraitor in question? Take away their freedom yes but a dead man doesn't learn anything.

foxyboxer · 27-01-2012 04:42PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

So what? We murder/torture them?

How does that make us any better than the perpetraitor in question? Take away their freedom yes but a dead man doesn't learn anything.

The perpetrator didn't seem to have a problem doing it to an innocent 18 year old.

DrumSteve · 27-01-2012 04:42PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

The perpetrator didn't seem to have a problem doing it to an innocent 18 year old.

So if we do it to them, how we allowed to judge them?

foxyboxer · 27-01-2012 04:48PM

And if we don't do it to them? Then what.

They go to prison. They get rehabilitated?
They get let out in 2035 and perhaps kill again.
Then what?
They go to prison. They get re-rehabilitated?
Wash-rinse-repeat.

A death sentence has the power to make even a psychopath think twice.
The ultimate disincentive.

DrumSteve · 27-01-2012 04:55PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

And if we don't do it to them? Then what.

They go to prison. They get rehabilitated?
They get let out in 2035 and perhaps kill again.
Then what?
They go to prison. They get re-rehabilitated?
Wash-rinse-repeat.

A death sentence has the power to make even a psychopath think twice.
The ultimate disincentive.

Really?

Shall I start quoting psychopaths who didn't get somehow didn't get the disincentive?

The death penaly doesn't work. The family still have a dead daughter. What does it change? Nothing. Just more blood that brings us down to the killers level.

And I can ****ing guarantee you most of the people here who have said they would love to do this to them would **** themselves if someone put a gun in their hand to do it.

foxyboxer · 27-01-2012 05:03PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Really?

Shall I start quoting psychopaths who didn't get somehow didn't get the disincentive?

The death penaly doesn't work. The family still have a dead daughter. What does it change? Nothing. Just more blood that brings us down to the killers level.

And I can ****ing guarantee you most of the people here who have said they would love to do this to them would **** themselves if someone put a gun in their hand to do it.

So what does work? The current Irish judicial process?
Put the gun in the girls fathers hand. Or her Brothers. Would they **** themselves?

Murdered Romanian girl's remains found

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