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Team America - World Police

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  • #32
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    If the US doesn't do it - who will?


  • #33
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Basically you're saying you believe everything the Iranians say and nothing the Americans say. Fair enough....


  • #34
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Go Tobban wrote: »
    Israel have nukes don't they? North Korea too??

    When will the yanks bring ''freedom and prosperity'' to these countries?
    Isreal and america are friends, but they arent talking to north korea because they wont do what america wants.


  • #35
    Go Tobban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Go Tobban


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Basically you're saying you believe everything the Iranians say and nothing the Americans say. Fair enough....

    Well at least there is a reason to not believe the US

    Didn't they already use this tactic in Iraq? ie pretend Iraq had 'weapons of mass destruction' and then invade finding absolutely nothing


  • #36
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Go Tobban wrote: »
    Well at least there is a reason to not believe the US

    Didn't they already use this tactic in Iraq? ie pretend Iraq had 'weapons of mass destruction' and then invade finding absolutely nothing

    Maybe Iran wont make the same mistakes and allow inspectors to enter the country and work unimpeded. Unless they have something to hide.


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  • #37
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Maybe Iran wont make the same mistakes and allow inspectors to enter the country and work unimpeded. Unless they have something to hide.
    Why do they have to hide what they are doing? If they want nuclear weapons whats the problem? America have an assload, I wouldnt trust them as far as I can piss. Russia? yikes!!! China? well they keep to themselves and dont tell us what to wear or watch. Iran have never done anything other than defy Isreal and america and are thus punished and we get nice news stories about them being crazy muslims, when infact of all muslim states they are closest to moderate.


  • #38
    Go Tobban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Go Tobban


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Maybe Iran wont make the same mistakes and allow inspectors to enter the country and work unimpeded. Unless they have something to hide.

    Even if they are making weapons, what are America getting involved for?

    Israel have undeclared nukes, if them nutcases can have them, surely Iran can have them aswel. Put it this way, if I was an Iranian citizen, I sure as hell would want a nuclear bomb as a deterrent against Israel and the US


  • #39
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Why do they have to hide what they are doing? If they want nuclear weapons whats the problem? America have an assload, I wouldnt trust them as far as I can piss. Russia? yikes!!! China? well they keep to themselves and dont tell us what to wear or watch. Iran have never done anything other than defy Isreal and america and are thus punished and we get nice news stories about them being crazy muslims, when infact of all muslim states they are closest to moderate.
    Go Tobban wrote: »
    Even if they are making weapons, what are America getting involved for?

    Israel have undeclared nukes, if them nutcases can have them, surely Iran can have them aswel. Put it this way, if I was an Iranian citizen, I sure as hell would want a nuclear bomb as a deterrent against Israel and the US

    MAD nuclear principle doesn't work with theocratic states.


  • #40
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    dsmythy wrote: »
    MAD nuclear principle doesn't work with theocratic states.

    On what evidence, professor smythy?


  • #41
    earpiece
    Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭earpiece


    Well OP.... let it all happen, China will get the oil, the US will further decline as the 'hyper power' and in a few years nobody (else) will give a shít what America says.
    And I thought they'd get the message after what we they did on Sept. 11th ........ Phuff, the capital of Australia is Dadbag!!!!


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  • #42
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    RichieC wrote: »
    On what evidence, professor smythy?

    None..... Namely because theocratic states have never had nukes.

    MAD is less likely to work on theocratic states IMO. Reasoning being the powers that be in Iran are going to heaven apparently. Iran not having nuclear weapons is good news for ordinary Iranians as a result.


  • #43
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    earpiece wrote: »
    Well OP.... let it all happen, China will get the oil, the US will further decline as the 'hyper power' and in a few years nobody (else) will give a shít what America says.
    And I thought they'd get the message after what we they did on Sept. 11th ........ Phuff, the capital of Australia is Dadbag!!!!

    Team China! Better the devil you know is all I'll say.


  • #44
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    dsmythy wrote: »
    None..... Namely because theocratic states have never had nukes.

    MAD is less likely to work on theocratic states IMO. Reasoning being the powers that be in Iran are going to heaven apparently. Iran not having nuclear weapons is good news for ordinary Iranians as a result.

    you clearly know nothing about Iran. you're assumptions are outlandish...

    Pakistan have nukes, theocratic, Israel have nukes, theocratic.


  • #45
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    dsmythy wrote: »
    None..... Namely because theocratic states have never had nukes.

    MAD is less likely to work on theocratic states IMO. Reasoning being the powers that be in Iran are going to heaven apparently. Iran not having nuclear weapons is good news for ordinary Iranians as a result.
    The u.s. where on a divinely inspired war the past 10 years. They have the most nukes.


  • #46
    quietriot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭quietriot


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Basically you're saying you believe everything the Iranians say and nothing the Americans say. Fair enough....
    Ever heard the phrase "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"?

    The US are singing the very same song as they were before they launched a full scale invasion on an innocent nation in the name of "freedom". Hundreds of thousands of innocent people lost their lives in the name of this "freedom" but hey, the Iraqi oil got changed back from being sold in € to $ and the US installed a government to oversee it. Freedom worth fighting for, right?

    They're now doing the same evidence less posturing, including painting Iran as an oppressive, extremist Muslim nation, all on the back of no evidence once again. Oh wait, there could be a bunker underground that nobody could see, right?

    People have a right to doubt what the US say. Iran, thus far, hasn't been invading and destroying countries on the back of lies, using their military against residents in foreign nations (US Seal teams taking out Osama in Pakistan), etc.

    I'm glad to see Russia and China involved though. The US will not screw with China as china basically own them and the Russians aren't going to be walked over. It might just be what we need to keep them from messing with Iran for the time being.

    I'm not anti-US, for whatever it's worth, quite the opposite. I just wish they'd sit down and let everyone get on with their lives rather than dictating the world as they want it and threatening war if they don't get it.


  • #47
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    quietriot wrote: »
    including painting Iran as an oppressive, extremist Muslim nation, all on the back of no evidence once again

    Ah yeah, sure them Iranians are such an open, free, and democratic Government.:rolleyes:


  • #48
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    RichieC wrote: »
    Oh I will.

    You'll lose.:)


  • #49
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Isreal and america are friends, but they arent talking to north korea because they wont do what america wants.are the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler

    FYP.


  • #50
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    RichieC wrote: »
    you clearly know nothing about Iran. you're assumptions are outlandish...

    Pakistan have nukes, theocratic, Israel have nukes, theocratic.

    Dodgy calling them theocratic states. People with final legal power are not clergymen. Neither have clergymen with sole power to declare war. War being an aspect of MAD. Religion being an aspect of general moronity both at home and abroad.


  • #51
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Why do they have to hide what they are doing? If they want nuclear weapons whats the problem? America have an assload, I wouldnt trust them as far as I can piss. Russia? yikes!!! China? well they keep to themselves and dont tell us what to wear or watch. Iran have never done anything other than defy Isreal and america and are thus punished and we get nice news stories about them being crazy muslims, when infact of all muslim states they are closest to moderate.

    Sweet Jesus. They said the same about Hitler. Have we learned NOTHING???

    As for China, yeah they leave us alone. Out of sight out of mind and all that. Unless you're Chinese - and living in China.

    As I've said on numerous occasions - and you've named them all out - I'll take the Americans ahead of the "alternatives". Anytime.:cool:


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  • #52
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus. They said the same about Hitler. Have we learned NOTHING???

    As for China, yeah they leave us alone. Out of sight out of mind and all that. Unless you're Chinese - and living in China.

    As I've said on numerous occasions - and you've named them all out - I'll take the Americans ahead of the "alternatives". Anytime.:cool:

    actually the problem was they didn't say the same thing about Hitler, it took hitlers army mobilising for anyone to do anything about it. Hitler had fair backing in the US prior to that. their support could have gone either way.


  • #53
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    quietriot wrote: »

    I'm glad to see Russia and China involved though. The US will not screw with China as china basically own them and the Russians aren't going to be walked over. It might just be what we need to keep them from messing with Iran for the time being.

    I'm not anti-US, for whatever it's worth, quite the opposite. I just wish they'd sit down and let everyone get on with their lives rather than dictating the world as they want it and threatening war if they don't get it.

    Russia and China acting in humanitarianism of course. The Balkans were left alone to sort themselves out until something had to be done. I'd rather the Middle East didn't do similar except on a wider scale.

    It would be great if the "west" could sit back and let countries do as they wish and not expect blowback of the apathy kind rather than the interfering kind. If only. Also remember democracies don't go to war with each other. As I said earlier too better then devil you know. We only miss certain things when they are gone


  • #54
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Russia and China acting in humanitarianism of course. The Balkans were left alone to sort themselves out until something had to be done. I'd rather the Middle East didn't do similar except on a wider scale.

    It would be great if the "west" could sit back and let countries do as they wish and not expect blowback of the apathy kind rather than the interfering kind. If only. Also remember democracies don't go to war with each other. As I said earlier too better then devil you know. We only miss certain things when they are gone

    :pac:


  • #55
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    RichieC wrote: »
    :pac:

    I'm going to retract that one on the might of the pacman face /serious

    Democracies are a lot less likely to go to war with each other. A hell of a lot less likely.


  • #56
    Deus Ex Machina
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Deus Ex Machina


    chin_grin wrote: »
    Reads like an Alex Jones rant.

    Alex Jones, famous for his rants, is not even the proprietor of the best rant on his show. That's about all you need to know about him.



  • #57
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    dsmythy wrote: »
    I'm going to retract that one on the might of the pacman face /serious

    Democracies are a lot less likely to go to war with each other. A hell of a lot less likely.

    Statments from the pro America at any cost lot come with ideological baggage, whos definition of democracy, for instance, Iran has a democratically elected parliament. The answer is, as always "ours" (americas definition), a state with two corporate owned parties, one of the worst examples of democracy in the western world, imo.


  • #58
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    RichieC wrote: »
    Statments from the pro America at any cost lot come with ideological baggage, who's definition of democracy, for instance, Iran has a democratically elected parliament. The answer is, as always "ours" (americas definition), a state with two corporate owned parties, one of the worst examples of democracy in the western world, imo.

    The Iranian "free" parliament has layers above them more important than they are when it comes to the declaration of war. You seem to be focusing on this section of what I said rather than what else I wrote. America closed in on itself would be a disaster for the world. They may get called the great satan but they are clearly only a little devil compared to what else lurks in the world.


  • #59
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    dsmythy wrote: »
    The Iranian "free" parliament has layers above them more important than they are when it comes to the declaration of war. You seem to be focusing on this section of what I said rather than what else I wrote. America closed in on itself would be a disaster for the world. They may get called the great satan but they are clearly only a little devil compared to what else lurks in the world.

    again, your statements works great for us living in Ireland England and Europe. but there are people in Iraq who had their whole families destroyed by US hardware, "conservative estimate" of 100k people. countless thousands dead from their campaigns in Latin America during the cold war. Try telling them there's worse things lurking in the world.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely, when everywhere else is under their control you don't think they ever decide to come here? noo, sure we're WHITE!


  • #60
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,161 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    dsmythy wrote: »
    The Iranian "free" parliament has layers above them more important than they are when it comes to the declaration of war. You seem to be focusing on this section of what I said rather than what else I wrote. America closed in on itself would be a disaster for the world. They may get called the great satan but they are clearly only a little devil compared to what else lurks in the world.

    And the American government has no such layers? At least Iranian parliament is superseded by religious scholars unlike the American parliament which is pushed around by large corporations and lobbyists.

    I don't think the world would be any worse if America wasn't this superpower going around policing the world. In fact the world would be better off as we'ld all be much better financially with less debt if it wasn't for american banks screwing up the world's economy and American corporations exploiting third world workers.


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  • #61
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RichieC wrote: »
    Iran has a democratically elected parliament.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932010_Iranian_election_protests

    ?


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