Would you be a Priest?

I Heart Internet · 23-01-2012 02:36PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Not if everyone in your community became a priest, the community would only last until those people starved to death or all just died of old age. It's ok having a small percentage of your community dedicate themselves to a particular cause but if everyone does it human society stops working.

The Shaker community in the US are a good example of this. Very interesting and gentle folk but dying out as you can't be born into the community - members are all celibate.

antodeco · 23-01-2012 02:40PM

I'd run my church like that in sister act. People would flock for miles to my church. Id also give two lots of communion. Bitches love communion

UDP · 23-01-2012 02:49PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I know a priest who joined up after his wife died. He has a few kids. Very smart man who spent a lot of time working in Africa.

The kiddie jokes are overused and not funny anymore.

Did he become a catholic priest?

Run_to_da_hills · 23-01-2012 02:52PM

In my parents time it was a privilege to have a family member become a priest, nowadays it would just be an embarrassment

mikemac1 · 23-01-2012 02:54PM

Ah the strong farmer

The eldest son gets the farm. The more acres you have the more eligible of a bachelor you were
The second son becomes a priest
The third son is sent to England
The daughters are married off

Micky Dolenz · 23-01-2012 03:04PM

UDP wrote: »

Did he become a catholic priest?

Yeah.

sensibleken · 23-01-2012 03:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The Shaker community in the US are a good example of this. Very interesting and gentle folk but dying out as you can't be born into the community - members are all celibate.

Have they a sister community called the Moovers where all you do is ride one another?

Penn · 23-01-2012 03:14PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Not if everyone in your community became a priest, the community would only last until those people starved to death or all just died of old age. It's ok having a small percentage of your community dedicate themselves to a particular cause but if everyone does it human society stops working.

I understand what you're saying, however, for each individual person who really believed God existed, why wouldn't they themselves want to become priests/nuns?

Person A truly believes God exists, fully believes the Bible and there is absolutely no doubt in his mind... Why wouldn't he want to become a priest? Why wouldn't he want to entirely devote his life to serving this all-powerful, all-loving God who gave him life? Why would he choose to have a family instead, and work as an accountant, even if he's really active in the Church and prays a lot? Why wouldn't he become a priest, knowing that he's doing God's work, knowing he'd be rewarded forever in Heaven for it, or even selflessly doing it to help others hear the word of God?

I believe it's because, for most religious people, there is a logical part of them deep down that doesn't believe in God, and they choose to live by the Bible as best they can, but to live their own life too. Biologically, the urge of having a family, even just having sex, is stronger than their faith. Their happiness in this life is more important to them than their happiness in an afterlife.

And that's why, in my opinion, and at the most basic level, most people would never want to become priests/nuns.

UDP · 23-01-2012 03:19PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Yeah.

The kiddie jokes are not funny (although the odd time they still are though) but TBH I have no sympathy for Catholic priests receiving abuse when they choose to be in an organisation run by a pope (and many many more currently active up the hierarchy) that actively went about covering up child abuse without apparent remorse nor facing the consequences of their actions to this day. The organisation is rotten to the core. There is no excuse for it and there are plenty of organisations out there that a person can volunteer through to help the needy that are not as evil.

ScumLord · 23-01-2012 03:34PM

Penn wrote: »

I understand what you're saying, however, for each individual person who really believed God existed, why wouldn't they themselves want to become priests/nuns?

There really is no such thing as an individual when it comes to humans it's a big myth. Everyone is born with family and obligations. If it was a case of starting fresh and deciding what works for you outside of obligations then many religious folk may say they'd join a priesthood but for most it'll be a case of I'll have to stop everything I'm doing and start something else.

People can't just make logical choices, like you say the instincts and community bond makes it difficult. But it's also something of a safe guard in human culture and basic animal behaviour to find your own niche.

KeithAFC · 23-01-2012 04:09PM

Probably would. Father Stone is a great guy.

sensibleken · 23-01-2012 04:11PM

"We're all goin to heaven lads whaaaaaaaaay"

juice1304 · 23-01-2012 04:19PM

sounds like a great job. drink loads of wine, then you get to preach to the masses of your godly opinions. free gaff, free food, free car, pocket money. i doubt you'd get refused at the nightclub. i can't see any bouncer saying sorry father not tonight.

UDP · 23-01-2012 04:28PM

juice1304 wrote: »

i doubt you'd get refused at the nightclub. i can't see any bouncer saying sorry father not tonight.

Maybe if there was a youth disco going on!

...see!, Micky Dolenz, Hilarious stuff!

player101 · 23-01-2012 04:30PM

UDP wrote: »

Did he become a catholic priest?

I heard, if you turn up the opportunity to say a kiddie priest joke, the pope comes out of your closet at night and kills you in your sleep..
thats what the older boys are saying anyway:D

Chiorino · 23-01-2012 04:35PM

Absolutely would. In fact if the marriage/celibacy thing does go out the window I would be in there straight away

MidlandsM · 23-01-2012 07:10PM

Chiorino wrote: »

Absolutely would. In fact if the marriage/celibacy thing does go out the window I would be in there straight away

whats the attraction for you? Are you a spiritual person?

Benny_Cake · 23-01-2012 07:22PM

I don't think that the celibacy rule is likely to be relaxed anytime soon. Given that they are introducing steps to isolate seminarians at Maynooth from the general student population, which shows how little the church has learnt, a progressive step such as allowing priests to marry has probably never been further away.

admiralofthefleet · 23-01-2012 07:34PM

bluewolf wrote: »

not a catholic so no

likewise

Freddie59 · 23-01-2012 07:38PM

Biggins wrote: »

No.
I don't believe in religion.

I respect that 100%. Nice to see a sane post in the midst of the juvenile, spiteful, and disrespectful posts on here. Take a bow, Biggins.:)

quietriot · 23-01-2012 07:38PM

I'm an atheist, so I don't believe I would fit the position well.

I also don't believe the Catholic church has done anything to deserve a relaxation on criticism, or jokes made, of it, those who represent it and those who support it.

Freddie59 · 23-01-2012 07:38PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I don't think that the celibacy rule is likely to be relaxed anytime soon. Given that they are introducing steps to isolate seminarians at Maynooth from the general student population, which shows how little the church has learnt, a progressive step such as allowing priests to marry has probably never been further away.

Unfortunately. The Hierarchy are so out of touch it is truly unbelievable.

quietriot · 23-01-2012 07:39PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

I respect that 100%. Nice to see a sane post in the midst of the juvenile, spiteful, and disrespectful posts on here. Take a bow, Biggins.:)

Although I understand what he meant by it, not believing in something which 100% does exist (religion), is certainly not the most "sane" position in this thread

Freddie59 · 23-01-2012 07:40PM

quietriot wrote: »

I'm an atheist, so I don't believe I would fit the position well.

I also don't believe the Catholic church has done anything to deserve a relaxation on criticism, or jokes made, of it, those who represent it and those who support it.

I would disagree. Many priests are very hardworking, honest men who give tremendous service to their community. Being the butt of crude, lewd schoolchild jokes are extremely disrespectful IMHO.

Freddie59 · 23-01-2012 07:41PM

quietriot wrote: »

Although I understand what he meant by it, not believing in something which 100% does exist (religion), is certainly not the most "sane" position in this thread

But is, without doubt, the most respectful way to express it. A pity some of those less well-endowed with the grey matter wouldn't take a leaf from his book.

quietriot · 23-01-2012 08:20PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

I would disagree. Many priests are very hardworking, honest men who give tremendous service to their community. Being the butt of crude, lewd schoolchild jokes are extremely disrespectful IMHO.

That they may be, however it doesn't change the fact that they're an active member of, supporter of and indeed recruiter of support for an organisation that has behaved in the most heinous ways in this very country in our very recent past, not to mention the historical atrocities the same organisation has been a part of.

We're not just talking about Anglo Irish staff getting abused for the actions of their managing members, or AIB staff receiving the same, we're talking about members of an organisation which harbored and protected child molestors.

If someone in the late 1940s went around proclaiming that they were a proud member of the Nazi party, though they themselves had no hand in the acts carried out, would they be judged badly? Yes, of course they would. The question "what the f**k are you doing supporting that?" would come to mind and there is no acceptable answer to it.

The Catholic Church is far more comparable to the Nazi party than it is to Anglo Irish Bank, for what it's worth.

quietriot · 23-01-2012 08:24PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

But is, without doubt, the most respectful way to express it. A pity some of those less well-endowed with the grey matter wouldn't take a leaf from his book.

Religion and especially the Catholic church deserve no exemptions from criticism or favorable language or treatment. Quite the opposite in fact. These organisations and the culture of blind, unquestionable faith they promote and the acts that it has lead to deserve more criticism than ever.

Freddie59 · 23-01-2012 10:11PM

quietriot wrote: »

Religion and especially the Catholic church deserve no exemptions from criticism or favorable language or treatment. Quite the opposite in fact. These organisations and the culture of blind, unquestionable faith they promote and the acts that it has lead to deserve more criticism than ever.

You obviously have very little understanding of that deep faith my friend. Sadly for you.

Freddie59 · 23-01-2012 10:11PM

quietriot wrote: »

That they may be, however it doesn't change the fact that they're an active member of, supporter of and indeed recruiter of support for an organisation that has behaved in the most heinous ways in this very country in our very recent past, not to mention the historical atrocities the same organisation has been a part of.

We're not just talking about Anglo Irish staff getting abused for the actions of their managing members, or AIB staff receiving the same, we're talking about members of an organisation which harbored and protected child molestors.

If someone in the late 1940s went around proclaiming that they were a proud member of the Nazi party, though they themselves had no hand in the acts carried out, would they be judged badly? Yes, of course they would. The question "what the f**k are you doing supporting that?" would come to mind and there is no acceptable answer to it.

The Catholic Church is far more comparable to the Nazi party than it is to Anglo Irish Bank, for what it's worth.

From your perspective.

bodhrandude · 23-01-2012 10:13PM

I nearly ended up going to a theology college in Scotland when I was 14, all because I seen a few long haired monks playing guitars at our school, I thought they were cool at the time, thankfully I didnt go through with it.

Would you be a Priest?

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