Sorry Mods - But I had to post this here - its so UNREAL! Noonan and unemployment!

unkel · 19-01-2012 02:49PM

What else can he say? The country is fukced and you'd all better either kill yourselves or emigrate?

amacachi · 19-01-2012 02:49PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Not really.

Just a long holiday.

Gets counted with the emigration figures though.

My name is URL · 19-01-2012 02:50PM

amacachi wrote: »

But again, most are just WHVs and the like. Those aren't emigrating and act as a hindrance to full emigration so aren't being used as a stepping-stone for emigrating.

People are going on WHVs because it's the easiest way to get out of here at a time when people need to get out and find work. To say that unemployment is not driving emigration is asinine when our unemployment rate is tipping 25%; or at least it would be for Joe Soap to say so, but our finance minister? It would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

mikom · 19-01-2012 02:50PM

Man, that's a fuckload of comments in a short space of time....... http://www.thejournal.ie/noonan-young-emigrants-not-driven-away-by-unemployment-331911-Jan2012/?new_comment=1#comment-222541

Ghandee · 19-01-2012 02:51PM

Michael wont be living on beans on toast.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...294305462.html

Biggins · 19-01-2012 02:51PM

amacachi wrote: »

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

Would it be right in saying even the bulk of them left due to lack of work?

...Why do you say they will be back in just two years?

(Genuine question)

amacachi · 19-01-2012 02:54PM

My name is URL wrote: »

People are going on WHVs because it's the easiest way to get out of here at a time when people need to get out and find work. To say that unemployment is not driving emigration is asinine when our unemployment rate is tipping 25%; or at least it would be for Joe Soap to say so, but our finance minister? It would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

There hasn't been all that big an increase in WHVs and the like compared to 7/8 years ago though. The increases still make up a relatively small percentage of the total.

Biggins wrote: »

Would it be right in saying even the bulk of them left due to lack of work?

...Why do you say they will be back in just two years?
(Genuine question)

Have you any idea how WHVs work? You can't just stay indefinitely and they can count against someone looking to move permanently. Unless they intend on breaking the law they'll be back from WHVs within a year or 2.

mikom · 19-01-2012 02:55PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2EARJGkdTM

Ellis Dee · 19-01-2012 02:55PM

Oh, no, it's déjà vu all over again!:eek:

Back in the 1980s, when droves of people were leaving the country, the late Brian Lenihan of Fianna Fail gave an interview to Newsweek or Time or some of those rags and pointed out that not everyone could live on a small island. He seemed unaware that the one just east of us isn't all that much bigger, but has at least ten times our population. Then there's Japan ...:)

He also made the same point as Noonan now, that our emigrants were leaving with good educations under their belts.:)

Clearly, neither Fianna Fail then nor the Blueshirts now got it that we should be educating our young people for a life in their own country rather than for export.:rolleyes:

Kojak · 19-01-2012 02:55PM

Captain_Generic wrote: »

What a great guy

howya, Enda

TheZohanS · 19-01-2012 02:55PM

Reminds me of "let them eat cake".

It just goes to show how out of touch these fùckers are, they really couldn't give two sweet fùcks about the people of this country.

aidan24326 · 19-01-2012 02:55PM

amacachi wrote: »

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

The article clearly states that over half of those who left are Irish.

And even if some of those people do come back in a year or two in most cases it'll be either because they can't find a job wherever they went, their visa has run out or whatever. I guarantee you anyone that does land a job in Sydney or Auckland or wherever they end up will be in no rush to come back here anytime soon unless they've no choice. Lifestyle choice my arse.

ejmaztec · 19-01-2012 02:56PM

amacachi wrote: »

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

I think most of the foreigners took off three years ago, and that you won't see 99% of the Irish emigrants ever again, apart from a few when they retire, or visit on holidays (which will boost the tourist figures, another lying government statistic).

Latchy · 19-01-2012 02:56PM

Noonan said that unemployment was not driving emigration: “It’s not being driven by unemployment at home, it’s being driven by a desire to see another part of the world and live there.”

He spouts out shyte like this and actully expects people to believe it .If ever there was a quote to insult the Intelligence of the population this is it .

44leto · 19-01-2012 02:57PM

Credit were credit is due, Noonan is actually good at his job, he is capable and he knows his stuff.

BUT he has a tendency to say bloopers, I imagine he is socially awkward. But as a whole, in these challenging times I am glad he has that job. Although we are been screwed but that has more to do with the situation he inherited, he is the best finance minister we have had in years.

So Keep it up Micheal.

DrumSteve · 19-01-2012 02:57PM

What an unbelievable cunt.

Logical Fallacy · 19-01-2012 02:57PM

amacachi wrote: »

Make sure you get it posted on Twitter and the like. Grovelling politicians is what makes democracy work, forget legislation or policy.

amacachi wrote: »

Gets counted with the emigration figures though.

Do you have links to figures?

Would love to see them.

DrumSteve · 19-01-2012 02:58PM

44leto wrote: »

Credit were credit is due, Noonan is actually good at his job, he is capable and he knows his stuff.

BUT he has a tendency to say bloopers, I imagine he is socially awkward. But as a whole, in these challenging times I am glad he has that job. Although we are been screwed but that has more to do with the situation he inherited, he is the best finance minister we have had in years.

So Keep it up Micheal.

Would have preferred Bruton myself, what with his qualifications and whatnot.

Howjoe1 · 19-01-2012 02:59PM

The last sentence is the most galling:

“There are always young people coming and going from Ireland,” Noonan also said while adding that the country needed to ensure that people leaving were well enough educated to seek employment abroad.
“What we have to make sure is that our young people have the best possible education, right up to third level,” he said.

In other words:

Make sure we educated them well enough that they never have to come back.

or

Let the brain drain continue so idiots like us can get jobs running the country !

Ficheall · 19-01-2012 03:00PM

I plan on leaving the country, but not for a job.
I'm hoping to find better weather and hot women with low standards.

ejmaztec · 19-01-2012 03:00PM

I think that we should all email him to tell him that no-one with more than one brain-cell believes a word of what he said, and that he's talking a load of cock.

Biggins · 19-01-2012 03:01PM

amacachi wrote: »

Have you any idea how WHVs work? You can't just stay indefinitely and they can count against someone looking to move permanently. Unless they intend on breaking the law they'll be back from WHVs within a year or 2.

Thanks, good reply.
Even so, of the many that have left, with those with WHVs and those without, would it not be fair to say, its all 'work' related and not just leaving due to 'lifestyle choice?

Duggy747 · 19-01-2012 03:08PM

Every single person I know who's living abroad did so because they couldn't find work in their field here / were made redundant.

I think with most of them they found work within 2 weeks of arriving in those countries as opposed to barely getting as far as an interview here.

What a cheap thing to say to try and brush this shìte under the carpet.

Cùnt.

Overheal · 19-01-2012 03:09PM

You all lost me at Kristen Dunst in a bath tub

Latchy · 19-01-2012 03:09PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Reminds me of "let them eat cake".

It just goes to show how out of touch these fùckers are, they really couldn't give two sweet fùcks about the people of this country.

Stating the obious I know but they never ever did give a fcuk and they will drag out the ''Emigration has always been a part of Irish economical histroy ..blah blah ''.... which is the easy way out , typical Irish politician bull**** response .

44leto · 19-01-2012 03:10PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Would have preferred Bruton myself, what with his qualifications and whatnot.

He did dirty his bib in that leadership challenge gig.
I still think Noonan is more capable I THINK he is an economist. I remember him giving his analysis on the situation when he was in opposition, he knows his stuff.

Logical Fallacy · 19-01-2012 03:11PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Reminds me of "let them eat cake".

It just goes to show how out of touch these fùckers are, they really couldn't give two sweet fùcks about the people of this country.

Well, Marie Antoinette never said "let them eat cake", it was just made up to make her look like a ****.

Noonan looks like a **** because of something he actually said.

Biggins · 19-01-2012 03:14PM

mikom wrote: »

Man, that's a fuckload of comments in a short space of time....... http://www.thejournal.ie/noonan-young-emigrants-not-driven-away-by-unemployment-331911-Jan2012/?new_comment=1#comment-222541

A good few of them I suspect will be heart-broken parents who have had to watch their children leave due to lack of work?
Now they might feel angry and slighted too?

Noffles · 19-01-2012 03:16PM

The ones who come back are the ones that have gone away, done 2 years minimum wage jobs and will fall straight back into the same routine on return.. minimum wage or the dole...

2 stroke · 19-01-2012 03:16PM

I'd say Noonans kids left out of embarrassment.

Sorry Mods - But I had to post this here - its so UNREAL! Noonan and unemployment!

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