Sorry Mods - But I had to post this here - its so UNREAL! Noonan and unemployment!

Biggins

I posted the following in the politics section and normally I'd leave it at that.
But the following is SO stupid of a statement that it HAS to be brought to everyone's possible attention.

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Noonan: Young emigrants ‘not driven away by unemployment’

MICHAEL NOONAN HAS said that most emigration by young Irish people is a “free choice of lifestyle” and played down the impact of the country’s unemployment rate on people moving abroad.

“It’s a small island. A lot of people want to get off the island,” the Finance Minister told the media at a briefing on the fifth quarterly review of Ireland’s bailout programme by the Troika of the European Commission, ECB and IMF.
He pointed to the experience of his own family saying that three of his five children are living abroad and that in their case it was a lifestyle choice to move away from Ireland.

The country’s unemployment rate is currently 14.3 per cent with over 180,000 classified as long-term claimants on the Live Register. A recent survey found that four-in-ten people saw no future for themselves in Ireland.
But Noonan said that unemployment was not driving emigration: “It’s not being driven by unemployment at home, it’s being driven by a desire to see another part of the world and live there.”

Figures published last December showed that over 76,000 people had left the country in the year to April 2011 – an increase of nearly 17 per cent – with over half of those being Irish.

“There are always young people coming and going from Ireland,” Noonan also said while adding that the country needed to ensure that people leaving were well enough educated to seek employment abroad.
“What we have to make sure is that our young people have the best possible education, right up to third level,” he said.

http://www.thejournal.ie/noonan-young-emigrants-not-driven-away-by-unemployment-331911-Jan2012/?new_comment=1#comment-222541

Is the man deluded?
I've seen some stupid statements in my time - this is up there with the daftest of them!

Mickey Dazzler

What a cop out...

And you are surprised by this how?

Lando Griffin

Most are going away for the crack I'd say, sure we all partied during the good times now its the younger peoples turns.

jimmycrackcorm

Given our generous welfare benefits in comparison to the UK for example, perhaps there's an element of truth in the 'Lifestyle' remark...

Captain_Generic

What a great guy

Nothingbetter2d

the reason why most irish young people that emigrated was indeed lack of jobs... but that is partly to do with lack of linguistic skills here... more than 50% of the jobs being advertised require one or more foreign languages.

this makes it easier for foreigners to find work here but increasingly difficult for irish people. Schools would need to start teaching more european languages such as the nordic and eastern european languages in addition to french or german. they should also offer mandarin in schools too.

Overheal

Thats right, “It’s not being driven by unemployment at home, it’s being driven by a desire to see another part of the world and live there, and wor- I mean, erm.”

mikom

Biggins wrote: »

Is the man deluded?
I've seen some stupid statements in my time - this is up there with the daftest of them!

Up there with Endas.... "Difficult decisions are never easy"

Mr.Biscuits

Sure why would someone emigrate for Lifestyle - we have them on Henry St ourselves.

Nothingbetter2d

also come next election the irish lemmings will just vote fg/labour in for another round. nothing ever changes with irish politics except the names of the politicians

Logical Fallacy

lol.

"My kids, who are rich by proxy, wanted to live abroad...so i assume everyone elses kids want to live abroad as well. What do you mean the rate of emigration has risen in conjunction with the rate of unemployment?"

amacachi

Since most of those leaving are going on short-term jaunts to the US and the other English-speaking former colonies as has been happening for many a year he's technically right in the majority of cases of people leaving.

Whether that'll still apply in 5 years time is another thing.

force eleven

Ah lads ye're missing that dry Limerick wit. Or was that Willie O Dea?

Captain_Generic

We all just made a group on facebook and simultaneously went on holiday for shits and giggles

Logical Fallacy

amacachi wrote: »

Since most of those leaving are going on short-term jaunts to the US and the other English-speaking former colonies as has been happening for many a year he's technically right in the majority of cases of people leaving.

Whether that'll still apply in 5 years time is another thing.

Pretty sure a "short term jaunt" is called a holiday.

syklops

I'd like to see the question he was asked in which this was the reply. It could be taken completely out of context.

He was just on the lunchtime news and said we are in the worst economic situation since World War two, so obviously he 'gets' that things aren't good.

amacachi

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Pretty sure a "short term jaunt" is called a holiday.

A J1 or year on a WHV is a bit more than a holiday.

Latchy

Every time I hear Noonan speak the impression is always of somebody who in trying to sound sincere...is anything but and has all the charm of a dodgy car salesman .

Logical Fallacy

amacachi wrote: »

A J1 or year on a WHV is a bit more than a holiday.

Not really.

Just a long holiday.

Biggins

Expect some SERIOUS back grovelling within an hour from Dublin!

Captain_Generic

syklops wrote: »

He was just on the lunchtime news and said we are in the worst economic situation since World War two, so obviously he 'gets' that things aren't good.

"Sure wasn't WWII about the lads wanting to see different parts of the world"

My name is URL

Unreal. You've gotta love how he uses his own children's reasons for leaving the country to explain why everyone else is leaving. I'd love to say that I'm surprised by this but I'm really not. The man is a cretin and his party is full of similar idiots, just like those that have gone before them.

mikom

Up next from Noonan......

On the subject of giving birth:

"Shur, what is it only a big fart"

amacachi

My name is URL wrote: »

Unreal. You've gotta love how he uses his own children's reasons for leaving the country to explain why everyone else is leaving. I'd love to say that I'm surprised by this but I'm really not. The man is a cretin and his party is full of similar idiots, just like those that have gone before them.

But again, most are just WHVs and the like. Those aren't emigrating and act as a hindrance to full emigration so aren't being used as a stepping-stone for emigrating.

ejmaztec

He's talking through his *big fat hairy arse.




*I'm assuming that he's got a big fat hairy arse, because he looks the sort, but I could be wrong of course.

Biggins

70,000 left last year because of what? A free choice of lifestyle Mr Noonan?
...and another 70,000 expected this year also?

Noonan, your an idiot!

Wattle

I would like to see another part of the world. One where I might have a chance of getting a job.

amacachi

Biggins wrote: »

Expect some SERIOUS back grovelling within an hour from Dublin!

Make sure you get it posted on Twitter and the like. Grovelling politicians is what makes democracy work, forget legislation or policy.

mikom

Biggins wrote: »

Noonan, your an idiot!

lol

amacachi

Biggins wrote: »

70,000 left last year because of what? A free choice of lifestyle Mr Noonan?
...and another 70,000 expected this year also?

Noonan, your an idiot!

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

unkel

What else can he say? The country is fukced and you'd all better either kill yourselves or emigrate?

amacachi

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Not really.

Just a long holiday.

Gets counted with the emigration figures though.

My name is URL

amacachi wrote: »

But again, most are just WHVs and the like. Those aren't emigrating and act as a hindrance to full emigration so aren't being used as a stepping-stone for emigrating.

People are going on WHVs because it's the easiest way to get out of here at a time when people need to get out and find work. To say that unemployment is not driving emigration is asinine when our unemployment rate is tipping 25%; or at least it would be for Joe Soap to say so, but our finance minister? It would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

mikom

Man, that's a fuckload of comments in a short space of time....... http://www.thejournal.ie/noonan-young-emigrants-not-driven-away-by-unemployment-331911-Jan2012/?new_comment=1#comment-222541

Ghandee

Michael wont be living on beans on toast.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...294305462.html

Biggins

amacachi wrote: »

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

Would it be right in saying even the bulk of them left due to lack of work?

...Why do you say they will be back in just two years?
(Genuine question)

amacachi

My name is URL wrote: »

People are going on WHVs because it's the easiest way to get out of here at a time when people need to get out and find work. To say that unemployment is not driving emigration is asinine when our unemployment rate is tipping 25%; or at least it would be for Joe Soap to say so, but our finance minister? It would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

There hasn't been all that big an increase in WHVs and the like compared to 7/8 years ago though. The increases still make up a relatively small percentage of the total.

Biggins wrote: »

Would it be right in saying even the bulk of them left due to lack of work?

...Why do you say they will be back in just two years?
(Genuine question)

Have you any idea how WHVs work? You can't just stay indefinitely and they can count against someone looking to move permanently. Unless they intend on breaking the law they'll be back from WHVs within a year or 2.

mikom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2EARJGkdTM

Ellis Dee

Oh, no, it's déjà vu all over again!:eek:

Back in the 1980s, when droves of people were leaving the country, the late Brian Lenihan of Fianna Fail gave an interview to Newsweek or Time or some of those rags and pointed out that not everyone could live on a small island. He seemed unaware that the one just east of us isn't all that much bigger, but has at least ten times our population. Then there's Japan ...:)

He also made the same point as Noonan now, that our emigrants were leaving with good educations under their belts.:)

Clearly, neither Fianna Fail then nor the Blueshirts now got it that we should be educating our young people for a life in their own country rather than for export.:rolleyes:

Kojak

Captain_Generic wrote: »

What a great guy

howya, Enda

TheZohanS

Reminds me of "let them eat cake".

It just goes to show how out of touch these fùckers are, they really couldn't give two sweet fùcks about the people of this country.

aidan24326

amacachi wrote: »

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

The article clearly states that over half of those who left are Irish.

And even if some of those people do come back in a year or two in most cases it'll be either because they can't find a job wherever they went, their visa has run out or whatever. I guarantee you anyone that does land a job in Sydney or Auckland or wherever they end up will be in no rush to come back here anytime soon unless they've no choice. Lifestyle choice my arse.

ejmaztec

amacachi wrote: »

Nobody "left" in the first 6 years of the last decade no? The vast majority of those 70k are foreigners going home or Irish people who'll be back in the next year or 2.

I think most of the foreigners took off three years ago, and that you won't see 99% of the Irish emigrants ever again, apart from a few when they retire, or visit on holidays (which will boost the tourist figures, another lying government statistic).

Latchy

Noonan said that unemployment was not driving emigration: “It’s not being driven by unemployment at home, it’s being driven by a desire to see another part of the world and live there.”

He spouts out shyte like this and actully expects people to believe it .If ever there was a quote to insult the Intelligence of the population this is it .

44leto

Credit were credit is due, Noonan is actually good at his job, he is capable and he knows his stuff.

BUT he has a tendency to say bloopers, I imagine he is socially awkward. But as a whole, in these challenging times I am glad he has that job. Although we are been screwed but that has more to do with the situation he inherited, he is the best finance minister we have had in years.

So Keep it up Micheal.

DrumSteve

What an unbelievable cunt.

Logical Fallacy

amacachi wrote: »

Make sure you get it posted on Twitter and the like. Grovelling politicians is what makes democracy work, forget legislation or policy.

amacachi wrote: »

Gets counted with the emigration figures though.

Do you have links to figures?

Would love to see them.

DrumSteve

44leto wrote: »

Credit were credit is due, Noonan is actually good at his job, he is capable and he knows his stuff.

BUT he has a tendency to say bloopers, I imagine he is socially awkward. But as a whole, in these challenging times I am glad he has that job. Although we are been screwed but that has more to do with the situation he inherited, he is the best finance minister we have had in years.

So Keep it up Micheal.

Would have preferred Bruton myself, what with his qualifications and whatnot.

Howjoe1

The last sentence is the most galling:

“There are always young people coming and going from Ireland,” Noonan also said while adding that the country needed to ensure that people leaving were well enough educated to seek employment abroad.
“What we have to make sure is that our young people have the best possible education, right up to third level,” he said.

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In other words:

Make sure we educated them well enough that they never have to come back.

or

Let the brain drain continue so idiots like us can get jobs running the country !

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Ficheall

I plan on leaving the country, but not for a job.
I'm hoping to find better weather and hot women with low standards.