LAMPING DEER

The Big Fella · 19-01-2012 12:34AM

landkeeper wrote: »

but back then we were only allowed one rifle and max calibre was 22-250 or there abouts
now every tom dick and harry has a 223 or bigger and some alot more than one

A car does not have to be fast to be driven fast if you could relate that to your anti centrefire comments and hidden agenda.

landkeeper · 19-01-2012 12:41AM

hidden agenda

lost me there lad

kakashka · 19-01-2012 12:45AM

The Big Fella wrote: »

A car does not have to be fast to be driven fast if you could relate that to your anti centrefire comments and hidden agenda.

There are more deer shot in Ireland with 223's than any other Calibre,(the new hornet)i certainly dont agree re limits of deer for Hunters-totally unworkable

The Big Fella · 19-01-2012 12:56AM

landkeeper wrote: »

hidden agenda lost me there lad

Swifts were very common back in the late 80s and 90s and not to mention hornets.There was no money back then either! Yet there are more deer now than ever.

marcp · 19-01-2012 12:57AM

kakashka wrote: »

A time when Venison was worth much more,1+ punt a POUND when a punt was worth a lot and nobody had a job,
There are MORE deer now than ever,i hear the same story every year,particularly towards the end of season..."where are all the deer gone","must be poachers"..deer get to know the routine and CHANGE their habbits and territory to stay alive

people have a lot more time on their hands now and a lot less in their pockets.... its handy money, before they were making it working, now they are making it poaching, and as kakashka said deer are being taking in the back door for cash and thats not going to stop

Prohunter · 19-01-2012 01:00AM

I must say Wicklow was gone bad for poaching
but it wasn't as bad dis year the few lads gettin caught early in the year helped..

kakashka · 19-01-2012 01:06AM

Prohunter wrote: »

I must say Wicklow was gone bad for poaching
but it wasn't as bad dis year the few lads gettin caught early in the year helped..

and i guarantee the same lads will be shooting away as we speak.Anyway-IMO stalking is actually better now than ever!!

tomcat220t · 19-01-2012 01:07AM

Would interesting to see how many guys here shoot for the pot or the pocket ?

landkeeper · 19-01-2012 01:08AM

swifts were not 'common' they were there but not in any number and believe me not that easy to find licensed as a .22 ,as you say hornets were, but the point i was trying to emphasise was that there are far more bigger calibre rifles around now, which make it easier to shoot deer also the fact that a large % of them are equipped with moderators makes the whole job alot simpler than it was back in the day as well as the fact that lamps are lighter and don't need a car battery to function
however i would agree with you on the gamedealer side of things i have mentioned in the past that a simple tagging system with each shooters npws licence number on each carcass would be a step in the right direction

groundskeeper willie · 19-01-2012 01:14AM

kakashka wrote: »

and i guarantee the same lads will be shooting away as we speak.Anyway-IMO stalking is actually better now than ever!!

u must have a fence around your land!! seriously though, maybe it is in some spots but overall, i dont think so

kakashka · 19-01-2012 01:28AM

groundskeeper willie wrote: »

u must have a fence around your land!! seriously though, maybe it is in some spots but overall, i dont think so

Better as in you actualy have to stalk

kakashka · 19-01-2012 01:30AM

landkeeper wrote: »

a simple tagging system with each shooters npws licence number on each carcass would be a step in the right direction

i have to tag mine,have been for years

Hunter21 · 19-01-2012 01:32AM

kakashka wrote: »

i have to tag mine,have been for years

You won't have much left to stalk if these poachers keep killing all deer before them and no nothing about deer management.

groundskeeper willie · 19-01-2012 01:41AM

kakashka wrote: »

Better as in you actualy have to stalk

not very inviting to poachers then. well theres the reason you still have deer

kakashka · 19-01-2012 01:54AM

Hunter21 wrote: »

You won't have much left to stalk if these poachers keep killing all deer before them and no nothing about deer management.

Poachers dont stalk..animals are there,just harder to find/see etc especially this time of year

kakashka · 19-01-2012 01:58AM

groundskeeper willie wrote: »

not very inviting to poachers then. well theres the reason you still have deer

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muff munch · 19-01-2012 11:02AM

tomcat220t wrote: »

Would interesting to see how many guys here shoot for the pot or the pocket ?

for the pot my self and i use every bit of them.one of the best meats you can eat.if you were to order venison in a resteraunt youd pay for it.an average size deer would feed a family of 4 for 3 weaks easy and i eat it every other day.if lads looked at it that way youd see the money youd save on meat but each to their own i suppose.

thelurcher · 19-01-2012 11:49AM

landkeeper wrote: »

however i would agree with you on the gamedealer side of things i have mentioned in the past that a simple tagging system with each shooters npws licence number on each carcass would be a step in the right direction

I don't know would a tagging system make much of a difference - it's too easy for the guys that are in it for the money to go legit from a license point of view.
How is the revenue dealing with it. When they see the game dealers books how do they account for who they're buying from? Surely there's a tax liability there.

I'm finding numbers are definitely down on the last few seasons where I mainly shoot. That said they're are sightings of them in places they've never been before.

muff munch · 19-01-2012 12:09PM

the place ive been shooting for the last 3 years is about an hours drive from my own house.once i get down near the place all along the fields on the main road was full of deer when i first tarted shooting down there.and down in the place its self was a walk with deer.i often counted twenty deer in one field.this year tho i havent seen 1 deer along the main road and where i shoot there only scattered here and there.so with the cost of petrol nd so on i dnt bother going there any more.just stay local now.and my brother was saying same story where he is.he said there was lads coming from all over to shoot up there.i just believe if every second lad is shooting to sell the deer we wil all be scratchig or heads in 3-4 years time wondering where all the deer have gone an what were going to do with our deer rifles.just my opinion on it

hunterpajero · 19-01-2012 12:54PM

tomcat220t wrote: »

Would interesting to see how many guys here shoot for the pot or the pocket ?

we shoot most sundays,any calves or prickets go to the freezer between us if we do get a few in a day they go to the game dealer,all deer are tagged and hunter declaration has to be signed by the shooter,no profit to be made after the diesel and bullets are paid for,its out for the sport we go

garv123 · 19-01-2012 02:31PM

We have one spot thats well off the road and no ones ever in there lamping deer because we often walk the top half off it because the glen in it is a great spot for lamping foxes.

We stalked in there the first few weeks of the season and saw no deer. This didnt mean it was poached and they were all shot, because when we walked it shooting pheasants a few times in the middle of the day we'd meet 20 plus deer in there. they just werent coming out into the fields at the usual time and they were alot more cautious.

We also got to within 10 feet off about 5 deer another day walking down in another glen with the dogs when out for woodcock. This was another spot we had no luck in earlier on in the year. it seems that they had plenty of feeding where they were and didnt need to come out into the fields.

Deer numbers arent anywhere near low here just because you dont see them doesnt mean they are all gone. when one gets shot they arent all going to head back out into the same field the next day.

Whats low here is foxes and rabbits. We see between 20-30 deer out lamping foxes and about 40-60 hare a night. few rabbits and even fewer foxes though

garv123 · 19-01-2012 02:33PM

Also is it possible that the very mild winter has to do with the deer not been out in the fields?
The nettles and briars didnt even die this year and theres plenty of green for them to eat in the thicker cover.

tomcat220t · 19-01-2012 03:13PM

hunterpajero wrote: »

we shoot most sundays,any calves or prickets go to the freezer between us if we do get a few in a day they go to the game dealer,all deer are tagged and hunter declaration has to be signed by the shooter,no profit to be made after the diesel and bullets are paid for,its out for the sport we go

One of only a few ,sadly !
Deer numbers are down and its not just poachers that have to answer for this issue !

muff munch · 19-01-2012 03:29PM

its hard to know what way the numbers are.one person says one thing and some one else says another.its true also what garv123 said.it has been a very mild winter so maybe they dont need to leave their cover to graze the fields.if there was a few of theese wild boar running around at least wed have something else to hunt:D

Constab2 · 19-01-2012 03:44PM

Out deer hunting this morning in East Clare, Deer on the hills no safe shot unfortunately ,what we did notice are signs on poles all over the roadside on the way down to our permission :No Shooting Deer or Goats: don't really see any noticeable difference on Deer numbers & no evidence of anyone else in the area we hunt.I do believe it is a major problem in the area in general though,shame really beautiful & wild countryside pity it is being abused in the manner it is.

Mauser 308 · 19-01-2012 11:53PM

Guys, just my own experience this year, but I have found numbers way down in most areas I shoot. I have permissions in the Slieve Blooms and the numbers of deer are no way near the numbers of last year. I first noticed the decline when heading out for walks during the summer around my permissions. Normally you would see plenty of deer and for the first 2 months of the season you would be tripping over Does and calfs. But not this year. I only hope like some of the guys have said that it is the mild winter. But have my doubts.

Shoot2kill · 20-01-2012 12:01AM

Is it possible to find out how many deer have been put through on your deer licence or is it even recorded to each individual licence number.

Have my doubts about the local game dealer.

243Xpress · 20-01-2012 12:18AM

The section 42s have a lot to do with deer numbers declining in certain areas.Deer are being shot all year round.Its not just the poachers!

tomcat220t · 20-01-2012 12:32AM

243Xpress wrote: »

The section 42s have a lot to do with deer numbers declining in certain areas.Deer are being shot all year round.Its not just the poachers!

Sections...especially last season ,where they could be lamped was notthing more that legalized poaching ,imo!

hunterpajero · 20-01-2012 02:12PM

i think every license holder should be issued with tags like in the us and no deer without any tag to go into the food chain,if you use your tags more could be optained at a small fee,thats my opinion anyway

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