Is It Time To Remove Race From The Census??

dsmythy · 01-01-2012 10:54PM

Lefties shouldn't be trying to get rid of the question of race in the census or other records. How else are you going to be able to point out the social deprivation suffered by minorities?

saa · 01-01-2012 11:09PM

Everyone is mixed and its doesn't denote anything of significance but it should be an important place to record how people identify themselves along with sexuality and spiritual status.

Jesus Wept · 01-01-2012 11:36PM

Remove gender, in fact - just remove every question and just have a show of hands.

Kevin Duffy · 01-01-2012 11:38PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Remove gender, in fact - just remove every question and just have a show of hands.

And what about the people with no hands? You manualist pig!

ballsymchugh · 01-01-2012 11:40PM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

And what about the people with no hands? You manualist pig!

are those my feet?!

30Min · 02-01-2012 12:00AM

Gnobe wrote: »

Couple of things to point out, 22% of primary schoolchildren in England are not white.

Ethnic minorities have bigger birth rates than white Brits (around a quarter of all babies born in the UK at the moment are ethnic minorities).

So clearly demographics are changing within Europe and I think everyone knows this.

But that's not the point, the point is do we need actually record this crap anymore??
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So you are trying to strengthen your argument for getting rid of questions such as race/religion etc from census records with...........stats and information that comes directly from government documents like, for example.......census records.

Johnny Foreigner · 02-01-2012 12:15AM

I wish that London-Irish was a race choice on the census.
We are an ethnic minority.

kowloon · 02-01-2012 12:37AM

I suppose the census would provide with information on what race/ethnicity people consider themselves. This is useful information and as long as everyone is treated the same it's not a problem.

If the information was being used to discriminate it would make sense to get rid of it. But in that case gender, marital status and all those other little details should be open to the same.

Mike 1972 · 02-01-2012 01:01AM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I wish that London-Irish was a race choice on the census.
We are an ethnic minority.

As opposed to Birmingham Irish ?

ballsymchugh · 02-01-2012 03:06AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

As opposed to Birmingham Irish ?

there is nothing but hatred on the pitch in the all-britain (ie champions of london v champions of birmingham) junior hurling final

SharpshooterTom · 03-01-2012 08:22PM

keith16 wrote:

This is an excellent point, not to mention the whole area of pharmacogenomics...how your genetic makeup influences how well you respond to certain drugs. Like it or not, there are genetic differences between the myriad of races and it's critical those genetic differences are taken into consideration during the development of drugs.

　
Well in that case the government can keep track of such statistics, but they don't have to release them, what good is it to let the public know?
　

saa wrote:

Everyone is mixed and its doesn't denote anything of significance but it should be an important place to record how people identify themselves along with sexuality and spiritual status.

　
No it is not. Why is it important? You giving credit that there is a such thing as race within humans.
Spirituality is fine, but you've just admitted we're all mixed so why allow people to identify incorrect/fake classifcations?
　

30Min wrote:

So you are trying to strengthen your argument for getting rid of questions such as race/religion etc from census records with...........stats and information that comes directly from government documents like, for example.......census records.

Like I say 10-20 years I wouldn't have so bothered. But in the age of globalisation and the strong increase in "ethnic minorities" which is taking place in many western nations (and continuing), based on those trends yes I do think in this day and age they're not necessary anymore. Mainly also because the rate at which miscegenation is occuring is occuring at such a great now. It's stupid.

Eric Cartman · 03-01-2012 08:49PM

in fairness, race is a characteristic that needs to be quantified on the census, as is nationality, it lets the government know what services are needed in specific areas, for instance an area with a high population of a certain religion, some land could be made available for a mosque/church etc... or more funding for non denominational schools (realistically all schools should be secular but anyway) or more staff at the dole office if theres a lot of people from a certain country, or more prisons to make the families of certain groups have a smaller distance to travel to see their relatives.

Indubitable · 03-01-2012 08:52PM

Ah shure, its not hurting anyone. I doubt the average person gives a fúck to be honest.

keith16 · 04-01-2012 08:36PM

Gnobe wrote: »

Mainly also because the rate at which miscegenation is occuring is occuring at such a great now. It's stupid.

WHAT?

It's been demonstrated repeatedly why recording this info is important. You continue to quote statistics of race which completely contradicts your very argument. You also continue to use ethnic terms and say that you have to because everyone else does, which displays a laughable, almost childlike comprehension of your own argument.

Your apparent lack of understanding of the topic being discussed is particularly evident in the text I have quoted - it would make more sense if you just mashed the keyboard.

Finally, the poll results have answered your question in overwhelming fashion. So please stop trolling now.

keith16 · 04-01-2012 08:40PM

Gnobe wrote: »

　
Well in that case the government can keep track of such statistics,

In other words, no, no it is not time to remove race from the census.

Honest opinion · 04-01-2012 08:52PM

I Think the Poll voting trend realy answers this Question

There is no reason to remove Race from the census

Mike 1972 · 10-01-2012 11:11PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

, for instance an area with a high population of a certain religion, some land could be made available for a mosque/church etc...

Couldnt Shouldnt they just buy the land themselves ?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

or more funding for non denominational schools (realistically all schools should be secular but anyway) ...

Exactly all pulically funded schools SHOULD be secular and then there would be no "need" to ask such questions.

But as things stand they do ask the questions and there arent enough secular schools so the system isint working.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

or more staff at the dole office if theres a lot of people from a certain country...

Shouldnt the number of staff at the dole office be proportional only to the number of people unemployed (and one doesnt need census to find that out)

Eric Cartman wrote: »

or more prisons to make the families of certain groups have a smaller distance to travel to see their relatives.

By certain groups I presume you mean criminals.

Im suprised you feel there is any particularly pressing reason why this issue needs to be addressed quite frankly.

SharpshooterTom · 13-01-2012 11:59PM

keith16 wrote: »

In other words, no, no it is not time to remove race from the census.

Who says we should publish them? Why should the public know if most people don't acknowledge race exists?

I will keep using race statistics while they are there to prove my point that the world is becoming mixed race, and in this sense because of so, they are not needed anymore as we head for a full blown miscegnation in the world.

dxhound2005 · 14-01-2012 12:19AM

Gnobe wrote: »

Who says we should publish them? Why should the public know if most people don't acknowledge race exists?

I will keep using race statistics while they are there to prove my point that the world is becoming mixed race, and in this sense because of so, they are not needed anymore as we head for a full blown miscegnation in the world.

If you're going to use big words at least spell them correctly. Miscegenation by definition acknowledges the existence of distinct races and it's practice over the centuries did not lead to their disappearance.

Hande hoche! · 14-01-2012 12:28AM

Seems to be quite a few race related topics being discussed tonight.

dxhound2005 · 14-01-2012 12:31AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Seems to be quite a few race related topics being discussed tonight.

German people are welcome as well.

Yahew · 14-01-2012 12:34AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Every other country records these statictics. Why shouldn't we?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html

The French don't.

Hande hoche! · 14-01-2012 12:34AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

German people are welcome as well.

danke schön.

Yahew · 14-01-2012 12:40AM

keith16 wrote: »

There is a mixed race president now and thats what we will all look like by 2100 :rolleyes:

Um, no.

Even if a high X% of whites married high Y% of other races, etc, there would be white groups and (black, asian) groups who didnt beause they didnt want to.

Assuming race will disappear is like assuming class will disappear. My suspicion is that - despite the upper middle classes claim to be anti-racist - the lower to middle income groups will become mutl-racial and the lowest income groups - where ethic identity is stronger than class, and the upper middle income groups wlll be white.

dxhound2005 · 14-01-2012 12:41AM

Yahew wrote: »

The French don't.

That was all discussed before. They are not recorded in the French census but it is not illegal for others to record them. For whatever reason different organisations have felt the need to record them and some of them claim from their results that their is racial discrimination in France.

SharpshooterTom · 14-01-2012 12:41AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you're going to use big words at least spell them correctly. Miscegenation by definition acknowledges the existence of distinct races and it's practice over the centuries did not lead to their disappearance.

I normally spell it correct, I just left it out by mistake.

But now with increased globalisation on a scale never seen before, it's very possible that something big is on the way.

I fully believe if we leave the borders open or have a very relaxed immigration control we will see this nation rocket with numbers of different backgrounds and hence because of the liberal mindset we have with race (e.g. the Obama election), the concept should be a shoe in. Most people are colourblind now.

Yahew · 14-01-2012 12:43AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That was all discussed before. They are not recorded in the French census but it is not illegal for others to record them. For whatever reason different organisations have felt the need to record them and some of them claim from their results that their is racial discrimination in France.

The topic is about the census. So - the French dont. Nothing else matters a sh*t.

dxhound2005 · 14-01-2012 12:45AM

Gnobe wrote: »

I normally spell it correct, I just left it out by mistake.

But now with increased globalisation on a scale never seen before, it's very possible that something big is on the way.

I fully believe if we leave the borders open or have a very relaxed immigration control we will see this nation rocket with numbers of different backgrounds and hence because of the liberal mindset we have with race (e.g. the Obama election), the concept should be a shoe in. Most people are colourblind now.

As I said before this globalisation has not led to any great influx of white people into India, China or the African continent. So your coffee coloured world might only come to pass in Europe and North America.

Yahew · 14-01-2012 12:49AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

As I said before this globalisation has not led to any great influx of white people into India, China or the African continent. So your coffee coloured world might only come to pass in Europe and North America.

Eastern Europe, Russia, parts of middle America, the Hebrides etc etc will be white too.

Coffee coloured in the Western cities -except for the poor and the rich - and white in the far suburbs and villages ( not necessarily because of racism but because immigrants dont migrate to villages).

Whiteness is secure. So is a nice coffee coloured city,

All good.

SharpshooterTom · 14-01-2012 12:50AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

As I said before this globalisation has not led to any great influx of white people into India, China or the African continent. So your coffee coloured world might only come to pass in Europe and North America.

And Oceania

It's a start. Remember South and Central America is already mixed race. So if I am correct, which I think I am, most of the world will be mixed race, which IMO will be a great thing and I'm sure most europeans will be celebrating with me.

Is It Time To Remove Race From The Census??

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