Nuclear Scientist in Iran? You won't live too long!

Biggins · 11-01-2012 10:04AM #1

It seems that if your a nuclear scientist in Iran, don't hold out that you will some day be collecting a pension!
You won't be spending possible much time with any great grand-children!

Iran reported on Wednesday that an Iranian nuclear scientist died in what was termed a “terrorist bomb blast” in northern Tehran when a bomb planted by a motorcyclist exploded under his car.

The semi-official Fars news agency, which has close links to the powerful Revolutionary Guards Corps, said the reported bombing resembled the methods used in attacks in November 2010 against two other nuclear specialists — Majid Shariari, who was killed, and Ferydoun Abbasi, who was wounded and is now the head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization.

Earlier in 2010, a physics professor, Massoud Ali Mohammadi, was also assassinated in Tehran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-reports-killing-of-nuclear-scientist.html#

So word of warning, if your thinking of heading that direction to pick of any of thre possible job vacancies - consider the job as short term.
You might be going up in the world sooner than you think!

force eleven · 11-01-2012 10:07AM

Several nuclear scientists have been killed over the past few years. That plus explosions at several different complexes around Iran point to a sustained covert action by Mossad/CIA.

Either way, you won't have to wait too long before we see fireworks over there sadly.

KerranJast · 11-01-2012 10:10AM

Meh. Sustained hacking attacks and targetted assassinations are much more preferable to a bombing campaign which would only drive the public towards the Theocrats.

NinjaK · 11-01-2012 10:40AM

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

Biggins · 11-01-2012 10:42AM

KerranJast wrote: »

Meh. Sustained hacking attacks and targeted assassinations are much more preferable to a bombing campaign which would only drive the public towards the Theocrats.

Huh?
The targeted assassinations ARE bombings - which ARE driving some of the public (with additional government help) towards the Theocrats!

NinjaK wrote: »

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

I suspect Israel as the primary instigator but the USA won't be exactly falling over themselves behind the scenes to condemn the actions of whoever did it!

The methods of targeting are common one's from certain organisations!

FTGFOP · 11-01-2012 10:49AM

I'm guessing they meant aerial strikes when they said bombings.

Biggins · 11-01-2012 10:55AM

FTGFOP wrote: »

I'm guessing they meant aerial strikes when they said bombings.

I don't think a sustained bombing campaign is a viable option presently and for some time.

Irans nuclear facilities, the most importand sections of it for a start, are buried deep in the ground within (to a certain extent as far as they can make it) bomb-blast proof bunkers.
Not just one but a good few.
The Americans M.O.A.B's and Bunker-Busters would have their work cut out for them.
Add to that, the high risks of low level bombing (they would have to take out the Irans surface to air capabilities in weaponry to ensure the safe return of any USA bombing planes) and if they do that, they might as well be declaring an 'official war'.
(The American public too, would not react well to more of its people being lost in another foreign campaign. There is not a great ground-swell of support for such a type of military operation - and Obama wants to get elected again!)

Any possible bombing campaigns will probably only come from USA drone capabilities and/or from Israel fighter planes targeting above ground facilities more so.

For the moment I assess that we will not see anything aggressive from the USA until after (at least) the presidential elections - for obvious reasons!
Then once Obama (if elected again) is in office again, the gloves will be off!
The only way the USA will want to reluctantly enter into warfare before the USA president election, is if they are provoked enough because of the blockage of the straits.
Now if Iran will play that card and how far they can push it (they being aware of the above) - it remains to be seen!

Israel for the present will be the USA's proxy agents at work.
That much is obvious.
America does not want to show the world that its leading the attempts on Iran by the above assassinations alone.
(Although we might all indeed suspect it - with good reason?)
That would provoke Britian, France, Germany, Russia and China alone, to define their positions clear and some of them would start making demands to back up their favoured side!
Its probably WELL known by Russia and China (but they won't admit it publicly) that they know its indeed the USA behind all things Israel is doing - if only in intelligence sharing on Iran's nuclear facilities, possible target finding and possible later viable method of execution of specialist scientists.

KerranJast · 11-01-2012 11:09AM

FTGFOP wrote: »

I'm guessing they meant aerial strikes when they said bombings.

Yeah I meant air strikes/a cruise missile campaign.

The Iranians have to have elections soon. Remember the Green Revolution? If the Ayatollahs try to rig the elections again especially after the Arab Spring, the consequences could be massive.
The current US strategy is the best one. Financial sanctions & covert operations.

fedor.2. · 11-01-2012 11:12AM

NinjaK wrote: »

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

Why do you hate freedom?

NinjaK · 11-01-2012 11:17AM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

excuse me?

Auvers · 11-01-2012 11:21AM

NinjaK wrote: »

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

so you would prefer nutty religious zealots to have the capability to control the middle east with some form of Nuclear weapons capability

Biggins · 11-01-2012 11:22AM

One important point, people should be aware of!

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta let slip on Sunday the big open secret that Washington war hawks don't want widely known: Iran is not developing nuclear weapons.

But!!!

...Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No. But we know that they're trying to develop a nuclear capability, and that's what concerns us. And our red line to Iran is, do not develop a nuclear weapon. That's a red line for us."

See: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/240108-US-Panetta-admits-Iran-not-developing-nukes

HavingCrack · 11-01-2012 11:37AM

Biggins wrote: »

One important point, people should be aware of!

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta let slip on Sunday the big open secret that Washington war hawks don't want widely known: Iran is not developing nuclear weapons.

But!!!

See: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/240108-US-Panetta-admits-Iran-not-developing-nukes

This has been in the media for several years now. As far as anyone knows Iran didn't desire to develop nuclear weapons at any stage. The IAEA made several statements in this regard.

Interestingly the sheer hypocrisy of the US and Israel in this whole thing is ridiculous. I have no doubt Israel and the US both have nuclear missiles aimed at Iran but kick up a fuss about Iran even developing nuclear energy, it's absurd. If someone was pointing nuclear weapons at me I'd know I'd want some.

HalloweenJack · 11-01-2012 11:41AM

Auvers wrote: »

so you would prefer nutty religious zealots to have the capability to control the middle east with some form of Nuclear weapons capability

Isn't that what the Israelis are trying to do?

Eric Cartman · 11-01-2012 11:44AM

ohh great here goes amerisreal again.

Id feel safer with iran having nuclear weapons pointed at bedroom than I would the US having them anywhere.

Just remember america, your the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons against innocent people

Auvers · 11-01-2012 11:44AM

HavingCrack wrote: »

As far as anyone knows Iran didn't desire to develop nuclear weapons at any stage

yeah right, I don't believe that for one second, once they have the fissile material there is no turning back

Temptamperu · 11-01-2012 11:46AM

Auvers wrote: »

so you would prefer nutty religious zealots to have the capability to control the middle east with some form of Nuclear weapons capability

Jews and Americans are also religious zealots to be fair.

Nothingbetter2d · 11-01-2012 11:49AM

Biggins wrote: »

It seems that if your a nuclear scientist in Iran, don't hold out that you will some day be collecting a pension!
You won't be spending possible much time with any great grand-children!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-reports-killing-of-nuclear-scientist.html#

So word of warning, if your thinking of heading that direction to pick of any of thre possible job vacancies - consider the job as short term.
You might be going up in the world sooner than you think!

smells of american propaganda news to me

Auvers · 11-01-2012 11:49AM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Jews and Americans are also religious zealots to be fair.

I ain't defending American foreign policy, but keeping Iran nuclear free with this policy I agree completely

Temptamperu · 11-01-2012 11:52AM

Auvers wrote: »

I ain't defending American foreign policy, but keeping Iran nuclear free with this policy I agree completely

Why just Iran? Why not Isreal and America? why such harsh sanctions on one and not the other?

Plazaman · 11-01-2012 11:55AM

The US are only itching to get into Iran for a fight. Obviously when I say the US I don't mean the poor grunts who actually have to go over and do the fighting, but you'd have a few top Generals and of course the "real" Government, the business people who make money off wars and contribute vast sums of money to the political parties in return for contracts.

No I have no links so this maybe better suited for consirpacy theory thread but just look back at the beginning of the Iraq war and all the publicity surrounding Halliburton link to Dick Cheney and the then Government.

They've pulled out of Iraq, God forbid they'd give their forces a rest before committing to another conflict. Of course not that Iran are entirely blameless so......

Chuck Stone · 11-01-2012 11:56AM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

FAIL.

That dumb 'analysis' is akin to the idiotic crap that G.W. Bush spouted after 9/11 that culminated in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars of lost wealth.

Are we any freer for it?

No, less free if anything.

Biggins · 11-01-2012 11:57AM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

smells of american propaganda news to me

Possible!

Auvers · 11-01-2012 12:00PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Jews and Americans are also religious zealots to be fair.

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

Temptamperu · 11-01-2012 12:10PM

Auvers wrote: »

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

I dont feel safe with anyone having Nukes.

But I think Iran should be left alone, but with Isreali backed America that will not happen until the juden get what they want.

Chuck Stone · 11-01-2012 12:11PM

Auvers wrote: »

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

The idea that Iran would use a nuke is complete and utter horse ****. The Iranians are fully aware that they would suffer a massive retaliation from Irsrael/US and their country would be bombed back to the stone age.

Iran wants nuclear capability to prevent attack by western 'interests'. After all they've already had a democratically elected govt overthrown by the west for daring to want to control their own resources.

Also, they already tried the olive branch approach and look where it got them..

Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'

Iran offered the US a package of concessions in 2003, but it was rejected, a senior former US official has told the BBC's Newsnight programme. Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.

Offers, including making its nuclear programme more transparent, were conditional on the US ending hostility.

But Vice-President Dick Cheney's office rejected the plan, the official said.

BBC News

Would anyone blame them?

Auvers · 11-01-2012 12:13PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

But I think Iran should be left alone

yes but that not possible now

once Bush invaded Iraq the status quo of the middle east is now in tatters

Biggins · 11-01-2012 12:17PM

Just getting back to the latest killing...

When ye all see the footage of the man that was killed, note the state of the car (if they show it - they do on Euronews).
The bomb placed under it was a very special one by the looks of things.
The entire car was not destroyed (not even half of it?) nor was the surrounding area damaged in any way whatsoever - even feet away.
The bomb was very directional and limited in application. A very, very professional one I'm assessing.
Who would have the capabilities to make one of those - then use it!

Only those that have had to use these things in application before, to boot?

Capt'n Midnight · 11-01-2012 12:19PM

KerranJast wrote: »

Yeah I meant air strikes/a cruise missile campaign.

The Iranians have to have elections soon. Remember the Green Revolution? If the Ayatollahs try to rig the elections again especially after the Arab Spring, the consequences could be massive.
The current US strategy is the best one. Financial sanctions & covert operations.

Oh yeah that's going to work, yes indeedy.

Current US sanctions and seizing of money abroad are costing Iran something like €62 Billion a year. Dead easy to portray US as the Enemy to the average Iranian voter, so why would people there vote for a US friendly government ?

Also as has been pointed out the Iranians are not Arabs, their Persian history goes way back. As for religion it's like Catholic vs. Protestant between them and most of the Arab world.

What matters more is that the US has an election and their government want to be seen to be doing something for the "war on terra" or whatever they call the "don't look here, look over there" policy

kraggy · 11-01-2012 12:20PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

Wtf?

America's holding of nuclear bombs, torture of suspects, rendition flights, illegal invasion of foreign lands and now possible bombing of a scientist equates to the quest for freedom?

Auvers · 11-01-2012 12:21PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The idea that Iran would use a nuke is complete and utter horse ****

who said anything about them using it

your post sounds like Iran is some sort of victimized state being terrorized by an evil empire

Iran is a dangerous beast so why give them access to bigger teeth

Nuclear Scientist in Iran? You won't live too long!

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