Nuclear Scientist in Iran? You won't live too long!

Biggins

It seems that if your a nuclear scientist in Iran, don't hold out that you will some day be collecting a pension!
You won't be spending possible much time with any great grand-children!

Iran reported on Wednesday that an Iranian nuclear scientist died in what was termed a “terrorist bomb blast” in northern Tehran when a bomb planted by a motorcyclist exploded under his car.

The semi-official Fars news agency, which has close links to the powerful Revolutionary Guards Corps, said the reported bombing resembled the methods used in attacks in November 2010 against two other nuclear specialists — Majid Shariari, who was killed, and Ferydoun Abbasi, who was wounded and is now the head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization.

Earlier in 2010, a physics professor, Massoud Ali Mohammadi, was also assassinated in Tehran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-reports-killing-of-nuclear-scientist.html#

So word of warning, if your thinking of heading that direction to pick of any of thre possible job vacancies - consider the job as short term.
You might be going up in the world sooner than you think!

force eleven

Several nuclear scientists have been killed over the past few years. That plus explosions at several different complexes around Iran point to a sustained covert action by Mossad/CIA.

Either way, you won't have to wait too long before we see fireworks over there sadly.

KerranJast

Meh. Sustained hacking attacks and targetted assassinations are much more preferable to a bombing campaign which would only drive the public towards the Theocrats.

NinjaK

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

Biggins

KerranJast wrote: »

Meh. Sustained hacking attacks and targeted assassinations are much more preferable to a bombing campaign which would only drive the public towards the Theocrats.

Huh?
The targeted assassinations ARE bombings - which ARE driving some of the public (with additional government help) towards the Theocrats!

NinjaK wrote: »

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

I suspect Israel as the primary instigator but the USA won't be exactly falling over themselves behind the scenes to condemn the actions of whoever did it!

The methods of targeting are common one's from certain organisations!

FTGFOP

I'm guessing they meant aerial strikes when they said bombings.

Biggins

FTGFOP wrote: »

I'm guessing they meant aerial strikes when they said bombings.

I don't think a sustained bombing campaign is a viable option presently and for some time.

Irans nuclear facilities, the most importand sections of it for a start, are buried deep in the ground within (to a certain extent as far as they can make it) bomb-blast proof bunkers.
Not just one but a good few.
The Americans M.O.A.B's and Bunker-Busters would have their work cut out for them.
Add to that, the high risks of low level bombing (they would have to take out the Irans surface to air capabilities in weaponry to ensure the safe return of any USA bombing planes) and if they do that, they might as well be declaring an 'official war'.
(The American public too, would not react well to more of its people being lost in another foreign campaign. There is not a great ground-swell of support for such a type of military operation - and Obama wants to get elected again!)

Any possible bombing campaigns will probably only come from USA drone capabilities and/or from Israel fighter planes targeting above ground facilities more so.

For the moment I assess that we will not see anything aggressive from the USA until after (at least) the presidential elections - for obvious reasons!
Then once Obama (if elected again) is in office again, the gloves will be off!
The only way the USA will want to reluctantly enter into warfare before the USA president election, is if they are provoked enough because of the blockage of the straits.
Now if Iran will play that card and how far they can push it (they being aware of the above) - it remains to be seen!

Israel for the present will be the USA's proxy agents at work.
That much is obvious.
America does not want to show the world that its leading the attempts on Iran by the above assassinations alone.
(Although we might all indeed suspect it - with good reason?)
That would provoke Britian, France, Germany, Russia and China alone, to define their positions clear and some of them would start making demands to back up their favoured side!
Its probably WELL known by Russia and China (but they won't admit it publicly) that they know its indeed the USA behind all things Israel is doing - if only in intelligence sharing on Iran's nuclear facilities, possible target finding and possible later viable method of execution of specialist scientists.

KerranJast

FTGFOP wrote: »

I'm guessing they meant aerial strikes when they said bombings.

Yeah I meant air strikes/a cruise missile campaign.

The Iranians have to have elections soon. Remember the Green Revolution? If the Ayatollahs try to rig the elections again especially after the Arab Spring, the consequences could be massive.
The current US strategy is the best one. Financial sanctions & covert operations.

fedor.2.

NinjaK wrote: »

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

Why do you hate freedom?

NinjaK

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

excuse me?

Auvers

NinjaK wrote: »

Another act of terrorism from the US/Israel.

so you would prefer nutty religious zealots to have the capability to control the middle east with some form of Nuclear weapons capability

Biggins

One important point, people should be aware of!

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta let slip on Sunday the big open secret that Washington war hawks don't want widely known: Iran is not developing nuclear weapons.

But!!!

...Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No. But we know that they're trying to develop a nuclear capability, and that's what concerns us. And our red line to Iran is, do not develop a nuclear weapon. That's a red line for us."

See: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/240108-US-Panetta-admits-Iran-not-developing-nukes

HavingCrack

Biggins wrote: »

One important point, people should be aware of!

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta let slip on Sunday the big open secret that Washington war hawks don't want widely known: Iran is not developing nuclear weapons.

But!!!



See: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/240108-US-Panetta-admits-Iran-not-developing-nukes

This has been in the media for several years now. As far as anyone knows Iran didn't desire to develop nuclear weapons at any stage. The IAEA made several statements in this regard.

Interestingly the sheer hypocrisy of the US and Israel in this whole thing is ridiculous. I have no doubt Israel and the US both have nuclear missiles aimed at Iran but kick up a fuss about Iran even developing nuclear energy, it's absurd. If someone was pointing nuclear weapons at me I'd know I'd want some.

HalloweenJack

Auvers wrote: »

so you would prefer nutty religious zealots to have the capability to control the middle east with some form of Nuclear weapons capability

Isn't that what the Israelis are trying to do?

Eric Cartman

ohh great here goes amerisreal again.

Id feel safer with iran having nuclear weapons pointed at bedroom than I would the US having them anywhere.


Just remember america, your the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons against innocent people

Auvers

HavingCrack wrote: »

As far as anyone knows Iran didn't desire to develop nuclear weapons at any stage

yeah right, I don't believe that for one second, once they have the fissile material there is no turning back

Temptamperu

Auvers wrote: »

so you would prefer nutty religious zealots to have the capability to control the middle east with some form of Nuclear weapons capability

Jews and Americans are also religious zealots to be fair.

Nothingbetter2d

Biggins wrote: »

It seems that if your a nuclear scientist in Iran, don't hold out that you will some day be collecting a pension!
You won't be spending possible much time with any great grand-children!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-reports-killing-of-nuclear-scientist.html#

So word of warning, if your thinking of heading that direction to pick of any of thre possible job vacancies - consider the job as short term.
You might be going up in the world sooner than you think!

smells of american propaganda news to me

Auvers

Temptamperu wrote: »

Jews and Americans are also religious zealots to be fair.

I ain't defending American foreign policy, but keeping Iran nuclear free with this policy I agree completely

Temptamperu

Auvers wrote: »

I ain't defending American foreign policy, but keeping Iran nuclear free with this policy I agree completely

Why just Iran? Why not Isreal and America? why such harsh sanctions on one and not the other?

Plazaman

The US are only itching to get into Iran for a fight. Obviously when I say the US I don't mean the poor grunts who actually have to go over and do the fighting, but you'd have a few top Generals and of course the "real" Government, the business people who make money off wars and contribute vast sums of money to the political parties in return for contracts.

No I have no links so this maybe better suited for consirpacy theory thread but just look back at the beginning of the Iraq war and all the publicity surrounding Halliburton link to Dick Cheney and the then Government.

They've pulled out of Iraq, God forbid they'd give their forces a rest before committing to another conflict. Of course not that Iran are entirely blameless so......

Chuck Stone

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

FAIL.

That dumb 'analysis' is akin to the idiotic crap that G.W. Bush spouted after 9/11 that culminated in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars of lost wealth.

Are we any freer for it?

No, less free if anything.

Biggins

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

smells of american propaganda news to me

Possible!

Auvers

Temptamperu wrote: »

Jews and Americans are also religious zealots to be fair.

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

Temptamperu

Auvers wrote: »

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

I dont feel safe with anyone having Nukes.

But I think Iran should be left alone, but with Isreali backed America that will not happen until the juden get what they want.

Chuck Stone

Auvers wrote: »

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

The idea that Iran would use a nuke is complete and utter horse ****. The Iranians are fully aware that they would suffer a massive retaliation from Irsrael/US and their country would be bombed back to the stone age.

Iran wants nuclear capability to prevent attack by western 'interests'. After all they've already had a democratically elected govt overthrown by the west for daring to want to control their own resources.

Also, they already tried the olive branch approach and look where it got them..

Washington 'snubbed Iran offer'

Iran offered the US a package of concessions in 2003, but it was rejected, a senior former US official has told the BBC's Newsnight programme. Tehran proposed ending support for Lebanese and Palestinian militant groups and helping to stabilise Iraq following the US-led invasion.

Offers, including making its nuclear programme more transparent, were conditional on the US ending hostility.

But Vice-President Dick Cheney's office rejected the plan, the official said.

BBC News

Would anyone blame them?

Auvers

Temptamperu wrote: »

But I think Iran should be left alone

yes but that not possible now

once Bush invaded Iraq the status quo of the middle east is now in tatters

Biggins

Just getting back to the latest killing...

When ye all see the footage of the man that was killed, note the state of the car (if they show it - they do on Euronews).
The bomb placed under it was a very special one by the looks of things.
The entire car was not destroyed (not even half of it?) nor was the surrounding area damaged in any way whatsoever - even feet away.
The bomb was very directional and limited in application. A very, very professional one I'm assessing.
Who would have the capabilities to make one of those - then use it!

Only those that have had to use these things in application before, to boot?

Capt'n Midnight

KerranJast wrote: »

Yeah I meant air strikes/a cruise missile campaign.

The Iranians have to have elections soon. Remember the Green Revolution? If the Ayatollahs try to rig the elections again especially after the Arab Spring, the consequences could be massive.
The current US strategy is the best one. Financial sanctions & covert operations.

Oh yeah that's going to work, yes indeedy.

Current US sanctions and seizing of money abroad are costing Iran something like €62 Billion a year. Dead easy to portray US as the Enemy to the average Iranian voter, so why would people there vote for a US friendly government ?

Also as has been pointed out the Iranians are not Arabs, their Persian history goes way back. As for religion it's like Catholic vs. Protestant between them and most of the Arab world.


What matters more is that the US has an election and their government want to be seen to be doing something for the "war on terra" or whatever they call the "don't look here, look over there" policy

kraggy

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

Wtf?

America's holding of nuclear bombs, torture of suspects, rendition flights, illegal invasion of foreign lands and now possible bombing of a scientist equates to the quest for freedom?

Auvers

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The idea that Iran would use a nuke is complete and utter horse ****

who said anything about them using it

your post sounds like Iran is some sort of victimized state being terrorized by an evil empire

Iran is a dangerous beast so why give them access to bigger teeth

Sunnyisland

Lets not forget Saudi Arabia in this,They have a huge interest in making sure Iran does not acquire nuclear weapons,The Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington last october surprised many people. Iran's animosity toward Saudi Arabia, however, should have surprised no one.The two are divided not only by the Persian Gulf, but also by a Shiite-Sunni sectarian split and a Persian-Arab divide that goes back centuries.

KerranJast

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just remember america, your the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons against innocent people

I hate to play the numbers game but Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved at almost a million US troops lives and probably several multiple million of Japanese troops and civilians lives.

Chuck Stone

Auvers wrote: »

who said anything about them using it

If they're not going to use then what's all the fear-mongering about? I'll tell you what it's about. At the moment Israel has complete military theater dominance in the region and the US has the option of attacking Iran.

If/when Iran achieves nuclear capability that option becomes obsolete.

your post sounds like Iran is some sort of victimized state

Did you miss this part of the post?

Offers, including [Iran] making its nuclear programme more transparent, were conditional on the US ending hostility.

In simple terms for those who might have difficulty understanding what the above says is 'Please don't invade our country and grab our resources'.

Iran is a dangerous beast so why give them access to bigger teeth

What a strange world we live in when Iran is presented as being a 'dangerous beast' when it has been the US and in a lesser way Israel wreaking havoc in the middle east.

Strange indeed.

Auvers

KerranJast wrote: »

I hate to play the numbers game but Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved at almost a million US troops lives and probably several multiple million of Japanese troops and civilians lives.

now that's highly debatable, what about the Russian attack on Japanese forces in E Asia two days before the bombs dropped in addition to a navel blockade and the Germans surrender this would of brought about Japanese surrender without the deaths of countless civilians

Temptamperu

KerranJast wrote: »

I hate to play the numbers game but Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved at almost a million US troops lives and probably several multiple million of Japanese troops and civilians lives.

Are you for real? it was worth destroying two cities and killing and maiming women and children just to keep the nubers down on the yanks?
They had toy and wanted to use toy and no matter what they say it was the single biggest war crime of the 20th century.

Standard Toaster

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2012/jan/11/iran-nuclear-weapons?CMP=twt_gu

Whoever is killing Iran's scientists is clearly willing to risk catastrophic consequences that could engulf the region.

KerranJast

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Oh yeah that's going to work, yes indeedy.

Current US sanctions and seizing of money abroad are costing Iran something like €62 Billion a year. Dead easy to portray US as the Enemy to the average Iranian voter, so why would people there vote for a US friendly government ?

The sanctions are hitting the affluent merchant class who've supported the regime as it means they can benefit to the detriment of the working class. I agree its a fine line but these aren't the ill judged sanctions used against Iraq in the 90s. They're mainly freezing Iranian money in foreign institutions as I said to hurt the higher ups in the country.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Also as has been pointed out the Iranians are not Arabs, their Persian history goes way back. As for religion it's like Catholic vs. Protestant between them and most of the Arab world.

I never said the Iranians were Arabs. Everyone knows they're differences. The "Arab Spring" is a commonly used term for the mass democratic movement and regime changes across North Africa and the Middle East over 2011. Are you suggesting the average voter in Iran is not going to be influenced by whats happened in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc if(when) the Ayatollahs rig the election?

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

What matters more is that the US has an election and their government want to be seen to be doing something for the "war on terra" or whatever they call the "don't look here, look over there" policy

The Obama administration has enough done at this stage in the Foreign Affairs column that they don't need to be any more gung-ho than they need to be. Taking out Bin Laden, withdrawing from Iraq, the limited and effective role in the deposing of Ghaddafi etc has covered Obama from any plausible criticism from the right. His bigger problem is economics.

Iran is going to play a minor role in the 2012 election unless something drastic happens like a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.

Eric Cartman

KerranJast wrote: »

I hate to play the numbers game but Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved at almost a million US troops lives and probably several multiple million of Japanese troops and civilians lives.

dropping a nuclear bomb on japan is not justified by saving the lives of terrorist forces.

"America : Every Day we make bin ladin, Mugabe, Gaddafi and Hitler look like angels by comparison"

KerranJast

Auvers wrote: »

now that's highly debatable, what about the Russian attack on Japanese forces in E Asia two days before the bombs dropped in addition to a navel blockade and the Germans surrender this would of brought about Japanese surrender without the deaths of countless civilians

The prospect of a Russian invasion *should* have prompted a Japanese surrender but it didn't.

Germany surrendered in May 1945 while US troops were being slaughtered on Okinawa. It took until August and after Nagasaki for the Japanese to surrender. Even then just before the Emperor announced unconditional surrender there was an attempted military coup to continue fighting.

On a naval blockade, mainland Japan was effectively blockaded for most of 1945. Their anti-submarine tactics were non-existent and they effectively lost their entire merchant marine fleet to US/UK submarines mainly thanks to the military's cultural aversion to guard duty. They wanted to be fighting US sailors not babysitting merchants.

Temptamperu wrote: »

Are you for real? it was worth destroying two cities and killing and maiming women and children just to keep the nubers down on the yanks?
They had toy and wanted to use toy and no matter what they say it was the single biggest war crime of the 20th century.

Are you for real? Does the Holocaust not count for anything? Like I said it was a pure numbers decision for the US and a US million troops were rightly worth more to the American people than 100k odd Japanese. It's barbaric but logical.

Anyway I think this is going off topic a bit.

Temptamperu

Sorry i did mean to type one of the worst.

Auvers

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'll tell you what it's about. At the moment Israel has complete military theater dominance in the region and the US has the option of attacking Iran.

complete and utter manure

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Did you miss this part of the post?

nope

Chuck Stone wrote: »

What a strange world we live in when Iran is presented as being a 'dangerous beast' when it has been the US and in a lesser way Israel wreaking havoc in the middle east.

Strange indeed.

nothing strange about it, why only America and Israel are the evil empires, do you not think France\Russia\Germany\UK had anything to with interfering in the middle east with their own agendas

Doc Ruby

Auvers wrote: »

so you would feel safe with a religious dictatorship having access to nuclear weapons irrespective of the conservative hawks in the American\Israeli government.

*cough* pakistan *cough*

KerranJast

Yeah I have to laugh at the constant portrayal of the US as the great Satan when you have Russia and China propping up and supplying some of the most despotic regimes on the planet. None of them have clean hands but I know who's side I'd rather be on.

I for one would like to live in a world where the American death-toll ended up much higher than the Iranian death-toll.. As in multiples higher. And a lot of them on American soil.

If anyone even questions that statement or thinks it's wrong, I can't wait to hear your logic.

HellFireClub

fedor.2. wrote: »

Why do you hate freedom?

How in the name of all that is serious, can you advocate the state sponsored murdering of people who have been tried of no crime, who can been convicted of no crime, yet get blown up and poisoned at the hands of agents of a foreign state, the foreign state I might add, that just happens to have the very same nuclear capabilities that they are trying to prevent Iran from having, that is motivating this state sponsored drive by Israel to kill Iranian nuclear scientists???

Seriously, you call that freedom?!?

Auvers

Deleted User wrote: »

I for one would like to live in a world where the American death-toll ended up much higher than the Iranian death-toll.. As in multiples higher. And a lot of them on American soil.

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Temptamperu wrote: »

Are you for real? it was worth destroying two cities and killing and maiming women and children just to keep the nubers down on the yanks?

The vast majority of people who would have died in any hypothetical allied invasion of Japan would have been Japanese civilians.

Famine, sustained air superiority air strikes, continued firebombings, the inherent racism of the Allies against the Japanese and the fanatical yet doomed resistance of their civilian population would have seen monstrous casualties. Far, far more than were killed in the bombings.

I hate to say it but even if you remove any anticipated Allied casualties from the equation the nuclear bombings were the more "humane" choice.

Temptamperu wrote: »

They had toy and wanted to use toy and no matter what they say it was the single biggest war crime of the 20th century.

No the worst crime committed by the allied powers was annihilation of Dresden. There wasn't a nuclear bomb in sight.

Capt'n Midnight

KerranJast wrote: »

I hate to play the numbers game but Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved at almost a million US troops lives and probably several multiple million of Japanese troops and civilians lives.

That discussion will run and run. But Operation August Storm showed just how badly the Japanese were at that stage. Russians Blitzkrieged across Manchuria so fast that the only reason South Korea exists is that Japan surrendered so soon afterwards. The Russians and Japanese are still disputing some islands.

But yeah it was the US subs blocking all shipping that won most of that war.

Capt'n Midnight

Israel has a long history of assassination.

http://world.std.com/~jlr/doom/bull.htm

In return for support for the supergun, Iraq demanded that he help them with the design of a multi-stage missile that they were trying to assemble out of SCUD parts. Bull agreed, and did many of the nosecone calculations.

That is what killed him. Israel had no great reason to care about the supergun, but they had much to fear from Iraqi missiles. Warning signs were left for him. His apartment was broken into several times, but nothing was stolen. A few items were disturbed just to show that someone had been there.

In March of 1990, Bull was killed outside his apartment by five shots to the back of his head. No one heard the shots, and no one was ever caught.

more assassinations abroad
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,678805,00.html

oh yeah , they were using Irish Passports :mad:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0218/dubai.html

fedor.2.

HellFireClub wrote: »

How in the name of all that is serious, can you advocate the state sponsored murdering of people who have been tried of no crime, who can been convicted of no crime, yet get blown up and poisoned at the hands of agents of a foreign state, the foreign state I might add, that just happens to have the very same nuclear capabilities that they are trying to prevent Iran from having, that is motivating this state sponsored drive by Israel to kill Iranian nuclear scientists???

Seriously, you call that freedom?!?

Iran is a danger to the rest of the world and should be treated as such. Ah if only it was an ideal world...... You should be down on your knees thanking god that there are people out there risking their lives to protect hippies like you from tyranny