Name one thing we are better off since FG came in

Biggins · 09-01-2012 06:14PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We could turn off the lights on our way out too. Emigration is another shameful fact that F.F. and their sister-party F.G. should hang their heads in shame for.

I read last week that 70,000 approx left last year.
Naturally a lot of that will be others returning home to their own country - but a lot of it too will be our own home born, and thats very sad and hard on all families concerned.
Even worse, I can't see things changing for years to come.
A lot of our best will be taking the planes/boats as soon as they have their finalised training cert's and diplomas in their hands!

Gophur · 09-01-2012 06:17PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We could turn off the lights on our way out too. Emigration is another shameful fact that F.F. and their sister-party F.G. should hang their heads in shame for.

Are you for real, or are you taking the pi55?

FG are only one part of the Govt. The electorate rejected their 5-point plan and their election manifesto, yet you are criticising them for not implementing it. The current Govt took their seats less than nine months ago yet they are being blamed for the mess and blamed for not fixing the mess, a mess that has been widely recognised as needing up to 20 years to fix.

It's very easy to sit on the ditch criticising without having to come up with any constructive ideas yourself.

Remember, we live in a country where the likes of Sean Quinn can run up debts of €4b and walk up to Belfast in an effort to avoid paying them. Last week we had Ray Grehan do the same with €300m he owes.

The likes of these boyos should be the ones you direct your ire at, not the poor unfortunates tasked with fixing the mess.

cock robin · 09-01-2012 06:20PM

Our current crop of politicians are like milk puddings, bland and tasteless. They will bow down to their European paymasters while at the same time impoverishing the people of this country. The pensioners of today were the workforce of yesterday, these men and women lived in a country that today seems like it never existed but take it from me these citizens endured hardships and worked hard for little reward and few luxuries. We need to realise that in the future we will all grow old we will all need help. This goverment will be vanquished at the next election becuase they played us all like fools and we all believed that change had come to our ploitical system. Alas it is more of the same from more of the same. We need to determine our futures now and look at alternatives now not in 4 years we must do it now. Put these wasters to the sword and have a goverment who govern for the people not for the banking elite. These people will not shed one tear or loose a nights sleep for the poor and the hungry or the sick and the elderely of our nation. We have the power and we should use it.

ejmaztec · 09-01-2012 06:22PM

Biggins wrote: »

I read last week that 70,000 approx left last year.
Naturally a lot of that will be others returning home to their own country - but a lot of it too will be our own home born, and thats very sad and hard on all families concerned.
Even worse, I can't see things changing for years to come.
A lot of our best will be taking the planes/boats as soon as they have their finalised training cert's and diplomas in their hands!

The government has a piss-up to celebrate when each person leaves the country, and they all cheer from the rooftop.

...and if there's only one voter left in the entire country, he'll be expected to settle the IMF/ECB debts on his own.

Freddie59 · 09-01-2012 06:33PM

afatbollix wrote: »

Bertie has been ****ed off the gravy train he got when FF were in.

It's now being driven by Enda, Happy Gilmore, and those fcuking PS unions. No difference.

Freddie59 · 09-01-2012 06:35PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Both FF and FG should be removed from Irish Politics

You need to remove the Civil Servants first. They're the ones who actually run the show while letting the "Government" think they're doing it.

Freddie59 · 09-01-2012 06:37PM

Gophur wrote: »

We have the alternative Government, who are very much hamstrung by the legacy of their predecessors. They promised to burn the bond-holders,

And didn't.....while Happy Gilmore and Brer Rabbitte go into hiding.......

starbelgrade · 09-01-2012 06:54PM

Gophur wrote: »

Are you for real, or are you taking the pi55?

Gophur wrote: »

It seems the people with half a brain are very vocal!!!!

You have a defective memory.

Gophur wrote: »

This is a perfect example of the blinkered thinking that exists in our Country

Gophur wrote: »

Are you for real?

Gophur wrote: »

You two need to emigrate.

Why don't you just sit down somewhere quiet, take a deep breath & just calm the fuck down?

tayto lover · 09-01-2012 07:12PM

Gophur wrote: »

Are you for real, or are you taking the pi55?

FG are only one part of the Govt. The electorate rejected their 5-point plan and their election manifesto, yet you are criticising them for not implementing it. The current Govt took their seats less than nine months ago yet they are being blamed for the mess and blamed for not fixing the mess, a mess that has been widely recognised as needing up to 20 years to fix.

It's very easy to sit on the ditch criticising without having to come up with any constructive ideas yourself.

Remember, we live in a country where the likes of Sean Quinn can run up debts of €4b and walk up to Belfast in an effort to avoid paying them. Last week we had Ray Grehan do the same with €300m he owes.

The likes of these boyos should be the ones you direct your ire at, not the poor unfortunates tasked with fixing the mess.

Please explain what they have done in their nine months which was part of their 5 point plan?

Gophur · 09-01-2012 07:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

......

Please explain what they have done in their nine months which was part of their 5 point plan?

I don't know.

I don't see what relevance it has given the electorate didn't vote for it.

squod · 09-01-2012 07:24PM

Gophur wrote: »

I don't know.

They managed to piss away another few billion on a bank worth about €30 million. Think about that when you're waiting for a hospital appointment for your children or wondering whether to pay bills or eat food come the middle of next month.

Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has secured a High Court order permitting an injection of €2.7 billion in public funds into Irish Life & Permanent (IL&P) by July 31st next.

Haelium · 09-01-2012 07:25PM

Remember back before the election when they kept trying to get a vote of no confidence and they kept saying that all the important decisions were being made by a party that everybody wanted to leave?

Did everybody just forget that?

Fine Gael and Labour can't do a lot of the things they wanted because decisions have already been made.

If you don't want to vote for Labour/Fine Gael, that's fine. But if you plan to vote Fianna Fail back in, please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

One thing I will point towards is Ruari Quinn finally making some changes in the education system that have been needed for years. Progress is slow, they still have time to prove that they are better(Which they already are, considering they have not committed economic treason).

They might not have improved anything(Although I would argue that they have), but they haven't made it any worse.

Bishop_Donal · 09-01-2012 07:28PM

The weather has been a lot better since they came to power in fairness.

Badgermonkey · 09-01-2012 08:18PM

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

The weather has been a lot better since they came to power in fairness.

Odd that, given the hot air that emanated from arch- buffoon John O'Donoghue.

Bishop_Donal · 09-01-2012 09:31PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Odd that, given the hot air that emanated from arch- buffoon John O'Donoghue.

Not to mention Cowen and Coughlan.

09-01-2012 09:35PM

For me it seems electing FG to sort out Irelands Financial issues is like electing a priest to sort out your computer issues.

Lawrence1895 · 09-01-2012 09:42PM

I can't leave a blank page as a post, can I?

super_furry · 09-01-2012 09:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

For me it seems electing FG to sort out Irelands Financial issues is like electing a priest to sort out your computer issues.

How so?

senorwipesalot · 09-01-2012 09:46PM

http://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso

Sykk · 09-01-2012 09:57PM

Gophur wrote: »

Are you for real, or are you taking the pi55?

FG are only one part of the Govt. The electorate rejected their 5-point plan and their election manifesto, yet you are criticising them for not implementing it. The current Govt took their seats less than nine months ago yet they are being blamed for the mess and blamed for not fixing the mess, a mess that has been widely recognised as needing up to 20 years to fix.

It's very easy to sit on the ditch criticising without having to come up with any constructive ideas yourself.

Remember, we live in a country where the likes of Sean Quinn can run up debts of €4b and walk up to Belfast in an effort to avoid paying them. Last week we had Ray Grehan do the same with €300m he owes.

The likes of these boyos should be the ones you direct your ire at, not the poor unfortunates tasked with fixing the mess.

Enda?

44leto · 09-01-2012 10:00PM

I know the state of the economy and I am not expecting miracles.

I am expecting more austerity. I think they are managing that well enough.

But I am glad to have seen the back of the other shytes, I just don't understand how any FF won a seat in this Dail, shame on us Irish.

boobar · 09-01-2012 10:00PM

veryangryman wrote: »

I know i know...politics, recession, blah blah and i apologise in advance but.....

I invite each poster now to say something positive about the current lot in Leinster House. Say what you like about FF, but at least they did do a bit like saying "Fuk checking my balance, im building a Motorway". They reminded me of myself this past Christmas.

Anyway, something positive...

"Hi Enda, i like your sheets"

Not sure but I think they reduced the cut to the minimum wage.

Marzipan85 · 09-01-2012 10:50PM

that we now have a minister for children. i think that's a good development... *prepares for rebuff*

Mark200 · 09-01-2012 11:33PM

boobar wrote: »

veryangryman wrote: »

I know i know...politics, recession, blah blah and i apologise in advance but.....

I invite each poster now to say something positive about the current lot in Leinster House. Say what you like about FF, but at least they did do a bit like saying "Fuk checking my balance, im building a Motorway". They reminded me of myself this past Christmas.

Anyway, something positive...

"Hi Enda, i like your sheets"

Not sure but I think they reduced the cut to the minimum wage.

Yes they did.

Also Biggins that list you posted a few pages back had a lot of inaccuracies. On my phone now so its difficult to go through it point by point, but the ones I can remember:

Seanad - It's been reported a few months ago that there should be legislation presented this year.

Constitution convention - they're getting ready for it. Was also in the news a few months ago

On the "not another red cent",I think its dishonest of anyone to use Leos quote as he only said it once at one event. He wasn't following the party line, and its unfair to suggest that many voters were even aware of that comment when they voted.

On “Fine Gael in Government will force certain classes of bondholders to share in the cost of recapitalising troubled financial institutions” - I believe they have forced losses on certain junior bondholders.

As well as other bizarre things you mentioned such as the jobs budget (which I believe they renamed to initiative before the election) not being to your liking because it was revenue neutral?

Also ignoring the fact that this was a thread about if they've done anything good.

talla10 · 10-01-2012 12:32AM

I think we've turned a corner.

Gophur · 10-01-2012 10:11AM

Interesting to see we may need a second bail-out from the IMF/ECB.

To all those who are critical of the failure to burn the senior bondholders, and recommending it be done in the future, what terms do you think we could get from the IMF/ECB
1. If we burn the bondholders
or
2. If we don't burn the bondholders.

It does seem the distasteful practice of paying these people, in full, will save any possible savings (by burning them) with lower bailout repayments.

I think we need to stop with the tax increases, people are hurting too much. The next thorny branch to be grasped is lowering the cost of our Public Service. We no longer can afford to pay National School teachers up to €100k salaries, we no longer can afford to pay firemen over €100k per year, we no longer can afford to pay our 3rd level staff the astronomical salaries they are currently getting.

working fool · 10-01-2012 10:14AM

There's plenty of salt/ grit for the roads ?

Biggins · 10-01-2012 10:17AM

talla10 wrote: »

I think we've turned a corner.

Noooo - wot? Another one?

working fool · 10-01-2012 10:29AM

talla10 wrote: »

I think we've turned a corner.

Dear lord !
Be Careful after saying that .

Mr. Presentable · 10-01-2012 10:38AM

Gophur wrote: »

We no longer can afford to pay National School teachers up to €100k salaries, we no longer can afford to pay firemen over €100k per year, we no longer can afford to pay our 3rd level staff the astronomical salaries they are currently getting.

How many firemen are on €100k? What salary are the majority of them on? What percentage of NS teachers is on €100k? What are the majority on?

Name one thing we are better off since FG came in

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