The Waco Seige

Paully D · 09-01-2012 04:47AM #1

I've just been watching this excellent documentary by Channel 4 about the Waco Seige:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt1LKt-G0g&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dinside%2Bwaco%2Bdocumentary%26oq%3Dinside%2Bwaco%26aq%3D1%26aqi%3Dg2%26aql%3D%26gs_sm%3De%26gs_upl%3D806l2726l0l4156l11l10l0l1l1l0l274l1525l2.4.3l9l0&has_verified=1

I was only young at the time, so can't remember anything about it at all, and only actually heard of it for the first time years ago in religion class in secondary school.

What was the reaction over here in Ireland to this event?

Some further reading about it in the link below if anyone's interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

John Doe1 · 09-01-2012 04:47AM

Everyone was totally stoked

Biggins · 09-01-2012 04:48AM

What was the reaction over here in Ireland to this event?

At the time, it was pretty muted.
A bit of surprise that it turned out as it did but then some just said "Aaa well, that America for you" or words to that effect.

stupidusername · 09-01-2012 04:50AM

What annoys me about that whole thing is everyone that died is still considered a suicide even though apparently most were forced to drink the drinks with the cyanide in it or injected with it. That's not mass suicide

Guill · 09-01-2012 05:03AM

Waco, makes me laugh everytime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ITqS2uTPD4

Mr.Biscuits · 09-01-2012 05:04AM

Thought this thread was about the time the feds raided Neverland.

Biggins · 09-01-2012 05:08AM

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

Thought this thread was about the time the feds raided Neverland.

That didn't Pan out well either!

mikemac1 · 09-01-2012 05:09AM

stupidusername wrote: »

What annoys me about that whole thing is everyone that died is still considered a suicide even though apparently most were forced to drink the drinks with the cyanide in it or injected with it. That's not mass suicide

Was that another incident?

Jim Jones and drinking the koolaid

Biggins · 09-01-2012 05:12AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Was that another incident?

Jim Jones and drinking the koolaid

Jonestown massacre - I remember it well.
Sickening at the time to see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple

In all, 918 people died, including 276 children.

LighterGuy · 09-01-2012 05:34AM

I aswell was too to young remember anything about Waco when it happened.

I watched a movie about it a few years ago tho. I remember thinking to myself how did people follow him? ... Like always people to get sucked in to something crazy (being navie, stupid and mad) But when He (korash) started to have sex with every women in the compound. Surely even the most naive of people would of realised what was going on.

But thanks for linking the documentary op

Im going to watch it. When I watched that movie a few years ago I was like 20 or something. I'm sure my maturity now will make me realise what really went on.

***edit***
am I the only one having problems loading the video?

Paully D · 09-01-2012 06:00AM

LighterGuy wrote: »

***edit***
am I the only one having problems loading the video?

I'm having trouble with it now too. It must be a problem with YouTube itself because I just watched the whole thing an hour ago no problem at all. I'm sure it will work again soon.

44leto · 09-01-2012 06:00AM

My reaction was simple, you arm enough people, brain wash them and they allow themselves to be stupidtied, THEN they take on the American state they deserve whatever happened next.

RIP

I have not seen the doco but I bet its about American civil power gone mad, when it really hadn't, you move to disarm any group threatening a democracy, as we all know., with the past IRA and present drug gang KUNTs.

amacachi · 09-01-2012 06:09AM

I'm surprised you know what the reaction was like Biggins, I just naturally assumed you would have been involved in the incident in some crucial way.

Chuck Stone · 09-01-2012 06:35AM

44leto wrote: »

My reaction was simple, you arm enough people, brain wash them and they allow themselves to be stupidtied, THEN they take on the American state they deserve whatever happened next.

So challenge the state and you deserve to die? **** that for a game of soldiers.

Bill Hicks says it better than I ever could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywDAUzkHybU

M5 · 09-01-2012 06:53AM

Paully D wrote: »

I've just been watching this excellent documentary by Channel 4 about the Waco Seige:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt1LKt-G0g&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dinside%2Bwaco%2Bdocumentary%26oq%3Dinside%2Bwaco%26aq%3D1%26aqi%3Dg2%26aql%3D%26gs_sm%3De%26gs_upl%3D806l2726l0l4156l11l10l0l1l1l0l274l1525l2.4.3l9l0&has_verified=1

I was only young at the time, so can't remember anything about it at all, and only actually heard of it for the first time years ago in religion class in secondary school.

What was the reaction over here in Ireland to this event?

Some further reading about it in the link below if anyone's interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Cant watch it here in the USA, land of the free :rolleyes:

Gyalist · 09-01-2012 07:23AM

Whoa, just realised that I know people who died at Jonestown and Waco.

Biggins · 09-01-2012 09:47AM

amacachi wrote: »

I'm surprised you know what the reaction was like Biggins, I just naturally assumed you would have been involved in the incident in some crucial way.

Yea, it was me that rang the cops to complain about the noise of party they were having over there!
Damn! I won't be ringing them again! Kept me awake all night with their fireworks to boot!

Plazaman · 09-01-2012 09:58AM

I remember watching it on the telly in a pub, it was on in the background and no one was really paying any attention. It was only when it showed an FBI guy in full riot gear getting shot and falling off a roof that people started to go, wait this isn't a film and looks very serious. Followed it for about an hour then had to go get pished.

If ever I join a cult, that's the type of one I want to be in with guns and shít. Knowing my luck, I'd probably fork over the life savings and then be told "Welcome to the fluffy bunny cult, here's your free rabbit".

Dyr · 09-01-2012 10:49AM

Biggins wrote: »

Jonestown massacre - I remember it well.
Sickening at the time to see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple

The recording of them all having the meeting and commiting suicide/murder is up online. Pretty harrowing stuff. Jim Jones opening lines always stuck in my head: "how very much I have loved you/How very much I have tried my best to give you the good life" always stuck in my head.

R P McMurphy · 09-01-2012 10:59AM

44leto wrote: »

My reaction was simple, you arm enough people, brain wash them and they allow themselves to be stupidtied, THEN they take on the American state they deserve whatever happened next.

RIP

I have not seen the doco but I bet its about American civil power gone mad, when it really hadn't, you move to disarm any group threatening a democracy, as we all know., with the past IRA and present drug gang KUNTs.

What sycophantic guff

Ellis Dee · 09-01-2012 11:07AM

I remember it very well, having watched it partly live on TV. Can't say I have much of a problem with religious whack jobs committing mass suicide, but it's a pity that they so often cause the deaths of little children as well.:):)

Wossack · 09-01-2012 11:07AM

siege*

Blazer · 09-01-2012 11:20AM

Sean Moncrieff had the original hostage negotiator on his show a few months back.
Very interesting and he was still pretty upset at how things turned out.
Basically he had established a line of communication and had a good rapport with them and was getting hostages such as children set free but the US government wanted a faster resolution so replaced him after a few days.
We all know what happened after that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Biggins · 09-01-2012 11:36AM

Bambi wrote: »

The recording of them all having the meeting and commiting suicide/murder is up online. Pretty harrowing stuff. Jim Jones opening lines always stuck in my head: "how very much I have loved you/How very much I have tried my best to give you the good life" always stuck in my head.

I seen it close to the time it happened.
I find now that I cannot watch it any more.
Its too harrowing and I'm getting more soft and sentimental as I get older and see my own kids alive and healthy.
It was shocking video at the time - and still is now.
So many deaths, including kids just laying about the grounds - and SO unnecessary.

Benny_Cake · 09-01-2012 12:11PM

Biggins wrote: »

Bambi wrote: »

The recording of them all having the meeting and commiting suicide/murder is up online. Pretty harrowing stuff. Jim Jones opening lines always stuck in my head: "how very much I have loved you/How very much I have tried my best to give you the good life" always stuck in my head.

I seen it close to the time it happened.
I find now that I cannot watch it any more.
Its too harrowing and I'm getting more soft and sentimental as I get older and see my own kids alive and healthy.
It was shocking video at the time - and still is now.
So many deaths, including kids just laying about the grounds - and SO unnecessary.

Jim Jones was a true sociopath - a hardline communist and atheist who thought that the best way to sell his political views to the American public was by posing as a religious leader. I believe he tried to get the Peoples Temple relocated to the Soviet Union prior to the massacre, not surprising that the Soviet government was less than enthusiastic about the idea. It's also quite shocking how otherwise sensible political figures, including the great Harvey Milk, we're taken in by this charlatan.

As for Waco, I was 13 at the time, and my memory of the reaction is much as Biggins said "Those crazy Americans", a stupid reaction really, as such events are quite rare. I do remember that a made for TV movie was brought out within a few weeks of the event, which was pretty disgusting I thought. There is no doubt that some mistakes were made by the authorities, which was used as an example of a dictatorial government by various nutjobs on the extreme right. All such a pointless waste.

Gyalist · 09-01-2012 01:25PM

I lived less than 100 yards from the Peoples Temple HQ in Guyana. I was there when all this happened. I know many people who were caught up and injured in the shooting at the airstrip. I'm a friend of the officer who led the first group of GDF troops who went to Jonestown.

A few days after it happened my younger brother was in hospital and in the room next door was a teenager named Tommy Bogue who was one of the few who survived Jonestown. He was in hospital with gunshot wounds. I've always wondered what became of him.

At the time no one really had a clue of the magnitude of what had happened. Guyana is a large country with a very small population and at the time communications links were poor. It was only when hundreds of journalists from all over the world descended on the country did most people there start to understand the significance of what had happened. Before that , most people didn't care much as it was only Americans involved. The sight of hundreds of bodybags being loaded on to giant C-130 Hercules to be flown back to Dover AFB changed all that.

I had a brush with the Branch Davidians when I was a student in the UK (though I don't recall meeting David Koresh). I know some people who went to Waco and died there.

Susannahmia · 09-01-2012 01:51PM

stupidusername wrote: »

What annoys me about that whole thing is everyone that died is still considered a suicide even though apparently most were forced to drink the drinks with the cyanide in it or injected with it. That's not mass suicide

I think you are confusing Waco with The Jonestown Massacre. I always get them confused too.

Dotrel · 09-01-2012 01:54PM

Biggins wrote: »

So many deaths, including kids just laying about the grounds - and SO unnecessary.

It's very necessary to perpetuate the idea that you are under state control and that you will will be crushed if you break away or resist.

Paully D · 09-01-2012 05:35PM

M5 wrote: »

Cant watch it here in the USA, land of the free :rolleyes:

It's still not working here, it's a Channel 4 problem for those over here though as all the videos on their YouTube channel freeze after the first of two advertisements.

RichieC · 09-01-2012 05:43PM

the wacko seige.. more like..

Wattle · 09-01-2012 06:08PM

According to some the A.T.F. started the fire.

The Waco Seige

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