Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

henke · 06-01-2012 07:16PM

To be fair to Eirebear here donegaldaily is an absolute joke of a website and always sensationalises headlines. I agree it is a waste of webspace.

Madam · 06-01-2012 07:22PM

henke wrote: »

To be fair to Eirebear here donegaldaily is an absolute joke of a website and always sensationalises headlines. I agree it is a waste of webspace.

Really? I have a friend who wrote a song about DD - not a very good song I must admit;)

TheBuilder · 06-01-2012 08:39PM

The Donegal Daily, terrible excuse for journalism if any of you have been reading it over the last couple of months.

Eirebear · 06-01-2012 08:56PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Yes, get a grip, it is now at least 20 minutes of fame

Pfft! Since big brother has devalued the whole thing I want at least an hour!

bobbysands81 · 06-01-2012 09:09PM

PauloMN wrote: »

He's been very unlucky with injuries since he joined, he's had the broken wrist, the broken nose and now this ankle injury. Suppose when you're not afraid of the tackle, these things are going to happen.

We're strong in midfield anyway so I don't think we'll miss him too much, although I agree with Rory in that he was coming into form again recently - it's a shame. Plenty of decent options anyway which is a great position to be in. We'll miss an injured midfielder less than an injured striker, that's for sure.

What's this 'Moderator' lark all about???!!!

You think you're the big lad now???!!!

;-)

PauloMN · 06-01-2012 09:32PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

What's this 'Moderator' lark all about???!!!

You think you're the big lad now???!!!

;-)

Just wanted my name in bold, that's all.

RoryMac · 06-01-2012 09:35PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Just wanted my name in bold, that's all.

Nice to see a Bhoy getting into the establishment, Keith won't be happy!

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 06-01-2012 09:37PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Just wanted my name in bold, that's all.

Well done Paul congrats

Eirebear · 06-01-2012 09:39PM

Soccer Mod?

Batten down the hatches lads!

PauloMN · 06-01-2012 09:59PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Soccer Mod?

Batten down the hatches lads!

Soccer mod? Are ye mad? :eek:

I'm a lowly tech forum mod...

I wouldn't be a mod around here for love nor money!

Eirebear · 06-01-2012 10:01PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Soccer mod? Are ye mad? :eek:

I'm a lowly tech forum mod... I wouldn't be a mod around here for love nor money!

Phew!
Thought you'd pulled a Paul McBride there for a second!

PauloMN · 06-01-2012 10:16PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Phew!
Thought you'd pulled a Paul McBride there for a second!

Paul McBride... my hero!

Dempsey · 07-01-2012 03:36PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16450877.stm

Alot of information out of Lennon today!

Lennon confirms interest in Commons and Ki and he said

"I'm aware of interest but I'm not aware of any offers," Lennon said of South Korean Ki.

"I think there is interest from Southampton in Kris. I will try and fend off any offers that come in."

"To have him back for the second half of the season is a huge bonus," said the Celtic boss.

"He came in at this time last year and scored 14 in 18 so it's like having a new player.

"I want to keep all my players here. Everyone has their price but it would have to be a huge, huge offer for us to even consider it.

"It doesn't surprise me that a number of clubs are looking at [Ki] and various other players but, for me, they would be wasting their time."

Hopefully Commons comes back and produces that form but I for one have given up on him. If he produces one of those lazy performances again, the fans at CP will start giving him pelters.

He says that Commons and Loovens are a week away from full training and Mark Wilson is only 2 weeks away. Thats some turn around for someone thats had knee surgery!

Disappointingly,

"There is no pressure on me to trim the squad at all.

"There may be players who want to go and play or move on for personal reasons, get some game time elsewhere, but no one has come knocking on my door yet."

I'm fairly sure that he's lying because Rasmussen is quoted, when his loan spell finished, that he's looking for clarification on his future. He wanted to be involved in the first team or be sold, he didnt want another loan move.

the realpigiron · 07-01-2012 07:44PM

Sounds like Celtic will accept offers for Ki and Commons among others I'd say. We are in a good position where we don't have to sell so we can drive a hard bargain for these players. I've heard clubs are prepared to offer upwards of 8 million for Ki, I would sell if that sort of money is offered. So long as the money is reinvested in the team.

We could do with another striker, if not now then in the summer. Bangura looks to be a flop at this stage.

RoryMac · 08-01-2012 01:35AM

the realpigiron wrote: »

Sounds like Celtic will accept offers for Ki and Commons among others I'd say. We are in a good position where we don't have to sell so we can drive a hard bargain for these players. I've heard clubs are prepared to offer upwards of 8 million for Ki, I would sell if that sort of money is offered. So long as the money is reinvested in the team.

We could do with another striker, if not now then in the summer. Bangura looks to be a flop at this stage.

Not sure why you think we're open to offers on Ki and Commons?

I doubt Ki will be sold with Kayal injured unless as Lennon said we receive an offer we can't refuse.

I think our squad is quite strong at the minute and I don't see any position we are short on quality(at SPL standards)

I'd like to see some of the fringe players off-loaded and maybe 1 or 2 young players added, can't see us splashing out big money unless a real bargin becomes available.

TBH I think our squad at the moment is as strong as we can expect for the SPL under the circumstances, can't see us being able to attract players of a higher standard than we already have for most positions.

the realpigiron · 08-01-2012 02:09AM

RoryMac wrote: »

Not sure why you think we're open to offers on Ki and Commons?

Just from what Lenny said in the article that Dempsey linked:

"I want to keep all my players here. Everyone has their price but it would have to be a huge, huge offer for us to even consider it."

If a big offer comes in for Ki, they might take the money in the knowledge that his loss should not be detrimental to the teams chances of lifting the title. A big offer would be in excess of 8 million. Celtic can hold out for a big offer because they are not compelled to sell.

Like I said as long as they spend the money on other signings, I think with the proliferation of midfielders we have, it could make sense to punt Ki. But only if someone from England offered silly money.

Dempsey · 08-01-2012 03:36AM

the realpigiron wrote: »

Just from what Lenny said in the article that Dempsey linked:

If a big offer comes in for Ki, they might take the money in the knowledge that his loss should not be detrimental to the teams chances of lifting the title. A big offer would be in excess of 8 million. Celtic can hold out for a big offer because they are not compelled to sell.

Like I said as long as they spend the money on other signings, I think with the proliferation of midfielders we have, it could make sense to punt Ki. But only if someone from England offered silly money.

"Huge, huge offer" would mean something more than £8m for a player like Ki considering he has a huge commercial value, a value that has increased with his Korean player of the year award. Also consider the Kayal situation, I think that should kill any talk of him moving because Lennon needs the title to secure his job.

We paid over £2m at the time and considering the business that we were doing at the time, player wise, it was a sizeable investment and risk. We know that EPL clubs, like Liverpool, are looking for Asian players to tap into that market. We have that, and we NEED that considering the financial climate of the SPL. Unless Ki indicates that he isnt willing to extend his contract or falls out with Lennon, or something bad, Celtic will want to keep him because over the duration of the time he'll spend here we will see the bones of that sort of money in commercial revenue. Lawwell has been looking for the next Nakamura, i.e. where talent meets commercial value, and I think he has found it, albeit after a good few flops. Considering how hard he now knows it is to find such a player, I doubt and hope he's not willing to part easily and thank god the financial side of the club is in a state that the decision is our hands and no decision will be made to appease banks or external creditors.

I think Ki can be lacking urgency at (most)times but he has shown remarkable improvement in his game since he joined and there is no reason he cant improve more by the looks of it. If Celtic are looking to get back to auto UCL qualification, its by not taking those sort of offers because you are selling at a premium but to get value for re-investment you really need to wait until the summer and thats a risk that can blow up in your face.

Look at Baba Diawara, we had him at £2m but his passport paperwork was a mess and it didnt happen. We are now looking at £4m because he is showing the form that the club thought he could produce and he now has several suitors. On that note, what ever the scouting network have been doing lately, its been brilliant. They are finding gem after gem and I hope they keep it up. I dunno whether it was Strachan & Mowbray having blinkers on but they sure found alot of duds for them.

ColeTrain · 08-01-2012 03:55AM

Dempsey wrote: »

"Huge, huge offer" would mean something more than £8m for a player like Ki considering he has a huge commercial value, a value that has increased with his Korean player of the year award. Also consider the Kayal situation, I think that should kill any talk of him moving because Lennon needs the title to secure his job.

We paid over £2m at the time and considering the business that we were doing at the time, player wise, it was a sizeable investment and risk. We know that EPL clubs, like Liverpool, are looking for Asian players to tap into that market. We have that, and we NEED that considering the financial climate of the SPL. Unless Ki indicates that he isnt willing to extend his contract or falls out with Lennon, or something bad, Celtic will want to keep him because over the duration of the time he'll spend here we will see the bones of that sort of money in commercial revenue. Lawwell has been looking for the next Nakamura, i.e. where talent meets commercial value, and I think he has found it, albeit after a good few flops. Considering how hard he now knows it is to find such a player, I doubt and hope he's not willing to part easily and thank god the financial side of the club is in a state that the decision is our hands and no decision will be made to appease banks or external creditors.

I think Ki can be lacking urgency at (most)times but he has shown remarkable improvement in his game since he joined and there is no reason he cant improve more by the looks of it. If Celtic are looking to get back to auto UCL qualification, its by not taking those sort of offers because you are selling at a premium but to get value for re-investment you really need to wait until the summer and thats a risk that can blow up in your face.

Look at Baba Diawara, we had him at £2m but his passport paperwork was a mess and it didnt happen. We are now looking at £4m because he is showing the form that the club thought he could produce and he now has several suitors. On that note, what ever the scouting network have been doing lately, its been brilliant. They are finding gem after gem and I hope they keep it up. I dunno whether it was Strachan & Mowbray having blinkers on but they sure found alot of duds for them.

Good post Dempsey.

I think a lot of people forget Ki's real value. As you said there, he's young, got plenty of international caps, Korean POTY and has bags of talent. Fair enough he can flatter to deceive at times but he's shown that he is a player. I really do rate Ki. The longer he stays a Celtic player the better he will get, including his potential transfer fee..

PauloMN · 08-01-2012 11:11AM

Dempsey wrote: »

"Huge, huge offer" would mean something more than £8m for a player like Ki considering he has a huge commercial value, a value that has increased with his Korean player of the year award. Also consider the Kayal situation, I think that should kill any talk of him moving because Lennon needs the title to secure his job.

We paid over £2m at the time and considering the business that we were doing at the time, player wise, it was a sizeable investment and risk. We know that EPL clubs, like Liverpool, are looking for Asian players to tap into that market. We have that, and we NEED that considering the financial climate of the SPL. Unless Ki indicates that he isnt willing to extend his contract or falls out with Lennon, or something bad, Celtic will want to keep him because over the duration of the time he'll spend here we will see the bones of that sort of money in commercial revenue. Lawwell has been looking for the next Nakamura, i.e. where talent meets commercial value, and I think he has found it, albeit after a good few flops. Considering how hard he now knows it is to find such a player, I doubt and hope he's not willing to part easily and thank god the financial side of the club is in a state that the decision is our hands and no decision will be made to appease banks or external creditors.

I think Ki can be lacking urgency at (most)times but he has shown remarkable improvement in his game since he joined and there is no reason he cant improve more by the looks of it. If Celtic are looking to get back to auto UCL qualification, its by not taking those sort of offers because you are selling at a premium but to get value for re-investment you really need to wait until the summer and thats a risk that can blow up in your face.

Look at Baba Diawara, we had him at £2m but his passport paperwork was a mess and it didnt happen. We are now looking at £4m because he is showing the form that the club thought he could produce and he now has several suitors. On that note, what ever the scouting network have been doing lately, its been brilliant. They are finding gem after gem and I hope they keep it up. I dunno whether it was Strachan & Mowbray having blinkers on but they sure found alot of duds for them.

I know I've gone on about this before, but I hope Celtic fans realise the fantastic job the current board have done when they look across the city. Some tough decisions have been made in the past, there's been some disappointing times when we've not landed players we wanted to, but whatever anyone thinks about them, they are running the club how it should be run financially. It's up to the scouting network and management team now to find the rough diamonds within the financial constraints they have, and as you say, they seem to be doing a good job of that at the moment.

tommyhaas · 08-01-2012 11:47AM

Jordan Rhodes said in an interview the other day he was a Celtic fan, just as Harry Redknapp said Spurs aren't interested. Anyone think its a possibility? Or has anyone really seen much of him? West Ham apparently had a £3m offer rejected, and Lee Clark is adamant he's not selling him, so could be around the £4m-5m bracket

RoryMac · 08-01-2012 12:42PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Jordan Rhodes said in an interview the other day he was a Celtic fan, just as Harry Redknapp said Spurs aren't interested. Anyone think its a possibility? Or has anyone really seen much of him? West Ham apparently had a £3m offer rejected, and Lee Clark is adamant he's not selling him, so could be around the £4m-5m bracket

Not a hope of us signing him now but it again proves Dempsey's point that our scouts can spot good young talent, with Rhodes though his recent form has also attracted teams that are capable of offering more money than we can.

henke · 08-01-2012 01:52PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Jordan Rhodes said in an interview the other day he was a Celtic fan, just as Harry Redknapp said Spurs aren't interested. Anyone think its a possibility? Or has anyone really seen much of him? West Ham apparently had a £3m offer rejected, and Lee Clark is adamant he's not selling him, so could be around the £4m-5m bracket

Would love to see us sign Rhodes. The kid is on fire in front of goal at the minute and probably would cut it in the SPL no problem.

I can't see it happening though as his form is that good I think an EPL club will take a chance on him.

the realpigiron · 08-01-2012 01:54PM

Dempsey wrote: »

"Huge, huge offer" would mean something more than £8m for a player like Ki considering he has a huge commercial value, a value that has increased with his Korean player of the year award. Also consider the Kayal situation, I think that should kill any talk of him moving because Lennon needs the title to secure his job.

We paid over £2m at the time and considering the business that we were doing at the time, player wise, it was a sizeable investment and risk. We know that EPL clubs, like Liverpool, are looking for Asian players to tap into that market. We have that, and we NEED that considering the financial climate of the SPL. Unless Ki indicates that he isnt willing to extend his contract or falls out with Lennon, or something bad, Celtic will want to keep him because over the duration of the time he'll spend here we will see the bones of that sort of money in commercial revenue. Lawwell has been looking for the next Nakamura, i.e. where talent meets commercial value, and I think he has found it, albeit after a good few flops. Considering how hard he now knows it is to find such a player, I doubt and hope he's not willing to part easily and thank god the financial side of the club is in a state that the decision is our hands and no decision will be made to appease banks or external creditors.

I think Ki can be lacking urgency at (most)times but he has shown remarkable improvement in his game since he joined and there is no reason he cant improve more by the looks of it. If Celtic are looking to get back to auto UCL qualification, its by not taking those sort of offers because you are selling at a premium but to get value for re-investment you really need to wait until the summer and thats a risk that can blow up in your face.

Look at Baba Diawara, we had him at £2m but his passport paperwork was a mess and it didnt happen. We are now looking at £4m because he is showing the form that the club thought he could produce and he now has several suitors. On that note, what ever the scouting network have been doing lately, its been brilliant. They are finding gem after gem and I hope they keep it up. I dunno whether it was Strachan & Mowbray having blinkers on but they sure found alot of duds for them.

Good post. It's a balancing act weighing up when to hold on to a valuable player and when to punt him. We don't always get it right. It's part of Celtic's way of operating to find rough diamonds with talent , improve them as players and then sell at the optimum price, due to the financial constraints of playing in the SPL.

What would Ki's optimum value be do you think? All things considered 8 million plus wouldn't be a bad return I reckon. It probably would be better to keep him for now and not sell in January for example. However as against that, when everyone is fit in midfield, Ki is on the bench. If he's on the bench, his value may drop. Hard to get that balancing act right.

TheBuilder · 08-01-2012 05:58PM

Sun Reporter

"Paul Hughes @smallshoes62 7m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Celtic fans launching into the full IRA song-sheet today. They must be confused. It's space people can't hear you scream, not Peterhead"

lubo_moravcik · 08-01-2012 06:01PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Sun Reporter

"Paul Hughes @smallshoes62 7m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Celtic fans launching into the full IRA song-sheet today. They must be confused. It's space people can't hear you scream, not Peterhead"

How were the Green Brigade Tribute Act at Arbroath today?

TheBuilder · 08-01-2012 06:04PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

How were the Green Brigade Tribute Act at Arbroath today?

Wow, best attempt at a deflection ever. They were impressive as usual.

Eirebear · 08-01-2012 06:07PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

How were the Green Brigade Tribute Act at Arbroath today?

PMSL - Did you miss us doing the Bouncy while you back was turned copying some polish mobs chant?

Dempsey · 08-01-2012 06:07PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

Good post. It's a balancing act weighing up when to hold on to a valuable player and when to punt him. We don't always get it right. It's part of Celtic's way of operating to find rough diamonds with talent , improve them as players and then sell at the optimum price, due to the financial constraints of playing in the SPL.

What would Ki's optimum value be do you think? All things considered 8 million plus wouldn't be a bad return I reckon. It probably would be better to keep him for now and not sell in January for example. However as against that, when everyone is fit in midfield, Ki is on the bench. If he's on the bench, his value may drop. Hard to get that balancing act right.

Lennon has rated him back in August as a £10m+ player and I think thats a fair assessment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2027263/Neil-Lennon-says-Ki-Sung-Yueng-worth-10m.html

As the transfer windows goes on, his asking price (whatever it is), should also be going up because it limits our time to buy a replacement in this window but its not likely that we would be buying this window because price tags are normally higher in January anyways. The fact that Kayal is out injured long term should see Ki getting more gametime and that should be driving up his price tag because he's going to be more involved for the next 6 months.

Dempsey · 08-01-2012 06:09PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Sun Reporter

"Paul Hughes @smallshoes62 7m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Celtic fans launching into the full IRA song-sheet today. They must be confused. It's space people can't hear you scream, not Peterhead"

What was sung or is it more media propaganda/anti Irish sentiment?

TheBuilder · 08-01-2012 06:13PM

Dempsey wrote: »

What was sung or is it more media propaganda/anti Irish sentiment?

I have no idea, I've been studying I just picked that up off twitter hoping someone might let us know on here.

Is every media person who reports on Celtic doing something they shouldn't anti irish?

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