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ThePower11 · 05-01-2012 11:39PM

stovelid wrote: »

Amazing that people are failing to grasp this.

Plus they are keeping other people out of normally paid jobs.

Fair enough if it was a work placement relevant to a trade or profession, but this? Come on, folks.

Spot on, Curry's don't care about giving people work experience, it's all about profits. 2 workers on the Job-bridge scheme would save them €70,000 p/a.

Crazy Horse 6 · 05-01-2012 11:42PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'd most certainly consider that too.

the way I see it is,we live in a free society. any company or person can advertise a job, it's up to people to want to do it or not.

Sure but the taxpayer is basically paying for these "internships" to aid the profits of a huge company. This is'nt paddy the local fruit and veg shop owner who needs a dig out for a few weeks to keep the business going.

It's daft and i for one will not be spending a penny in dixons/currys ever again and urge others to do likewise.

dreamers75 · 05-01-2012 11:43PM

mkdon05 wrote: »

I'll boycott any company taking advantage of people like this. Manual labour does not require experience and therefore these jobs are of no benefit to anyone bar the company receiving free labour.

Willingness to work.

And yes it does.

ShooterSF · 05-01-2012 11:45PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'd most certainly consider that too.

the way I see it is,we live in a free society. any company or person can advertise a job, it's up to people to want to do it or not.

Agreed but most people's qualms with it is that tax money is going into the scheme. I'd be all for someone offering to work for Curry's for nothing if that's what they wanted to do.
Whatever floats your boat and all that.
Out of curiosity would you be in favour of abolishing the minimum wage then?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-01-2012 11:46PM

ThePower11 wrote: »

Their dole and the €50 extra per week.

Not even....

The job discription wrote:

Do I get Paid?

No. the placement is unpaid and voluntary. However, if you are already in receipt of certain social welfare payments, you may be allowed to retain your payment while on a placement.

"May" be allowed...? In other words, not only would you not be paid, you would lose moeny?

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

How is this slave labour exactly?

Oh no, people won't be able to 'further their career'. The poor things. Will they be furthering their career by sitting on their arse on the dole? There's nothing wrong with working to put food on the table. Not every job has to be about making it to the top.

This is nothing but entitled bull****.

Next.

Slave as in Dixons are getting free labour.

Micky Dolenz · 05-01-2012 11:46PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Sure but the taxpayer is basically paying for these "internships" to aid the profits of a huge company. This is'nt paddy the local fruit and veg shop owner who needs a dig out for a few weeks to keep the business going.

It's daft and i for one will not be spending a penny in dixons and urge others to do likewise.

If I remember correctly I think my mind was firmly turned against them on the other thread :P

Look, all I am saying is that desperate times call for desperate measures. You can be sure this intership scheme has stopped some people going mental. to be out doing something again, anything.

It may not be ideal but as I said nobody is being forced into these positions.

Keith186 · 05-01-2012 11:47PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's Gardai and prison checks. They take forever and a day.

They must have found out about all those kids and dont want you coaching the junior team, eh, eh?

Micky Dolenz · 05-01-2012 11:49PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Agreed but most people's qualms with it is that tax money is going into the scheme. I'd be all for someone offering to work for Curry's for nothing if that's what they wanted to do.
Whatever floats your boat and all that.
Out of curiosity would you be in favour of abolishing the minimum wage then?

Abolishing the minimum wage all together would force more extreme competitiveness and standards would fall. In the very long term it would destroy us.

this scheme is a short term project as far as I am aware.

LighterGuy · 05-01-2012 11:50PM

I cant understand how anyone could see this as a 'positive' or 'good' thing. Its a company just looking to use people.

Anyone who says that many a person has gotten his or her start from working in an internship needs their head checked. Trying to get your foot in the door of a major and professional type of job is completely different from some poxxy retail shop.

whatdoicare · 05-01-2012 11:50PM

If this was Dixons doing this in India or Africa there would be war - it'd be all over the news - people would be demanding Dixons be shut down!

Why is it okay to do this in Ireland? Are we not worthy of being paid for our days work?

I'm even more confused that people are defending Dixons' right to exploit desperate people - and put whatever spin you want on it but this is exactly what they are doing.

Micky Dolenz · 05-01-2012 11:52PM

Keith186 wrote: »

They must have found out about all those kids and dont want you coaching the junior team, eh, eh?

Well, that and the murders :P

Crazy Horse 6 · 05-01-2012 11:54PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

If I remember correctly I think my mind was firmly turned against them on the other thread :P

Look, all I am saying is that desperate times call for desperate measures. You can be sure this intership scheme has stopped some people going mental. to be out doing something again, anything.

It may not be ideal but as I said nobody is being forced into these positions.

I can see that side of it but it's making someone else go mental also. You have to realise that slavery schemes like this are stopping real jobs being produced. Dixons will not be paying a jobseeker a full-time wage now because someone will work that positon for free. What makes this all the more disturbing is they will most likely fill these positions fairly quickly as people are getting desperate. The jobreach scheme is a good idea imo if implemented correctly.

This is NOT what the scheme should be all about. Think Joe Duffy may be getting a phonecall in the morning tbh.

Leo Dowling · 05-01-2012 11:54PM

So a paid job is taken out of the market and swapped for 9 months of a welfare bill with an added 25%. It just seems like complete lunacy.

Crazy Horse 6 · 05-01-2012 11:55PM

whatdoicare wrote: »

If this was Dixons doing this in India or Africa there would be war - it'd be all over the news - people would be demanding Dixons be shut down!

Why is it okay to do this in Ireland? Are we not worthy of being paid for our days work? I'm even more confused that people are defending Dixons' right to exploit desperate people - and put whatever spin you want on it but this is exactly what they are doing.

I find it very disturbing that people are defending what dixons are doing also.

troubledagain · 05-01-2012 11:56PM

This is completley wrong some genius of course deciding it a good idea to take advantage...bloody dix..ons

LighterGuy · 06-01-2012 12:00AM

Anyone who defends the scheme would be the same person who would NEVER apply for one. Their true answer would be: "Work for free? fuck that" .... its all shite out of people defending it.

Micky Dolenz · 06-01-2012 12:01AM

LighterGuy wrote: »

Anyone who defends the scheme would be the same person who would NEVER apply for one. Their true answer would be: "Work for free? fuck that" .... its all shite out of people defending it.

You speaking for everyone now?

starbelgrade · 06-01-2012 12:02AM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Abolishing the minimum wage all together would force more extreme competitiveness and standards would fall. In the very long term it would destroy us.

Enforcing a minimum wage reduces the demand for labour as the cost of labour and demand for it are inversely proportional. And as the cost of labour increases so do the price of goods & services, which in turn causes a rise in inflation. And one of the major factors that causes recessions or dips in economies is inflation.

The real effect in the labour market of raising minimum wage, is that it raises wages across the board as workers seek to maintain parity. That in turn means that companies can afford to hire less staff, or cut back on the hours they can allow people to work, so in effect, a minimum wage actually reduces the number of hours people work and effectively increases unemployment.

Governments always play the populist card when it comes to things like this & fail to recognise that interference in the labour market is far from sound economics. They probably do recognise it, but choose to ignore it.

The Scientician · 06-01-2012 12:04AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Except it's not for nothing. It's for money. And I for one would rather work for money than have it handed to me for nothing. And before anyone starts, I'm currently unemployed.

Except it's displacing real labour that's for real money, the government is subsidising Dixon's et al and somehow this is meant to be good for our economy/job situation.

LighterGuy · 06-01-2012 12:05AM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You speaking for everyone now?

I some how feel you fit into what I said Mickey.
How come you aint applying for one? ... or will I get an answer of "i already have a job"

devotional1993 · 06-01-2012 12:06AM

Always despised this company. Their sales people are usually annoying greaseballs. I'd sooner support a home grown retailer.

starbelgrade · 06-01-2012 12:06AM

The Scientician wrote: »

Except it's displacing real labour that's for real money, the government is subsidising Dixon's et al and somehow this is meant to be good for our economy/job situation.

It's Fine Gael's way of living up to their promise of creating jobs. Though, it's a very liberal use of the word "create", it has to be said.

Ace2007 · 06-01-2012 12:09AM

mconigol wrote: »

Why not go and do some social work to benefit the community rather than to help some company and its balance sheet? Pick litter, clean up a river bank etc...there's plenty of work around the country that needs to be done if people want to work for free.

People don't want to work for free, they want to give themselves a chance of getting hired, you may say the chances are limited, but the chance is higher if you are in a big company and show them how hard you can work.

Socialist_Pig · 06-01-2012 12:10AM

a good rule of thumb is never,ever work for free.

they call it an internship but they can fuk off.

Micky Dolenz · 06-01-2012 12:10AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Enforcing a minimum wage reduces the demand for labour as the cost of labour and demand for it are inversely proportional. And as the cost of labour increases so do the price of goods & services, which in turn causes a rise in inflation. And one of the major factors that causes recessions or dips in economies is inflation.

The real effect in the labour market of raising minimum wage, is that it raises wages across the board as workers seek to maintain parity. That in turn means that companies can afford to hire less staff, or cut back on the hours they can allow people to work, so in effect, a minimum wage actually reduces the number of hours people work and effectively increases unemployment.

Governments always play the populist card when it comes to things like this & fail to recognise that interference in the labour market is far from sound economics. They probably do recognise it, but choose to ignore it.

I agree, mostly.

That's why the minimum wage should not be abolished altogether, however it should be controlled and lowered or highered according to econmic strains.

we can't have long term competition where the floor is the starting point.

Crazy Horse 6 · 06-01-2012 12:10AM

Is this part of FG's 5 point plan?

Micky Dolenz · 06-01-2012 12:12AM

LighterGuy wrote: »

I some how feel you fit into what I said Mickey.
How come you aint applying for one? ... or will I get an answer of "i already have a job"

I already have a job. I work for a small company who are hanging on by their fingertips for the last 18 months. Every month could have been our last and still may be. so I am not as far away from a dole queue as you may imply.

ThePower11 · 06-01-2012 12:12AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Is this part of FG's 5 point plan?

5 year plan

starbelgrade · 06-01-2012 12:12AM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I agree, mostly.

That's why the minimum wage should not be abolished altogether, however it should be controlled and lowered or highered according to econmic strains.

we can't have long term competition where the floor is the starting point.

I think if the government really wanted some form of social protection in the labour market, they would be far better off introducing a minimum income rather than having a minimum wage.

Micky Dolenz · 06-01-2012 12:13AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think if the government really wanted some form of social protection in the labour market, they would be far better off introducing a minimum income rather than having a minimum wage.

That actual makes perfect sense.

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