(UK) Stephen Lawrence murder - Dobson & Norris Guilty

biko · 04-01-2012 08:43PM

Batsy, I need you to find some proof of Lawrence being in a gang and that this was gang related, otherwise it's just you trolling this thread, trying to make it into something it's not. Even if other black youths are in gangs doesn't mean Lawrence was in one.
Come back when you have said proof. Thx

brummytom · 04-01-2012 08:43PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm going to ask you again for any evidence that Stephen Lawrence was involved in gangs.

Thanks.

BECAUSE HE'S BLACK AND THEY ALL ARE!!!1111!!!

Jesus wept.

Batsy · 04-01-2012 08:46PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Again, you are refusing to give statistics to back up these alleged facts

You wouldn't ask me for such statistics if I said that the majority of gang members are white (proving that it's not me that's racist but you).

Although I have already provided statistics. The facts are that black youths in Britain are more likely to be involved in gangs than white youths.

And pretending that that is not the case and dismissing that fact as "racist" - as the left like to do - will not solve the problem of black youths in Britain joining gangs.

There are so many gangs which are made up of predominantly black youths that, whenever it's on the news that a teenager has been stabbed to death, I always know instinctively that the victim and the perpetrator will both be black.

On Boxing Day it was on the news that a guy had been stabbed to death on London's Oxford Street. I thought: "I bet the victim is a black gang member."

It turns out that the victim was a black gang member who once appeared in a rap song video which promoted drugs and violence.

brummytom · 04-01-2012 08:47PM

Batsy wrote: »

On Boxing Day it was on the news that a guy had been stabbed to death on London's Oxford Street. I thought: "I bet the victim is a black gang member."

That's because you're a racist.

KINGVictor · 04-01-2012 08:48PM

Batsy wrote: »

You wouldn't ask me for such statistics if I said that the majority of gang members are white.

Although I have already provided statistics.

There are so many gangs which are made up of predominantly black youths that, whenever it's on the news that a teenager has been stabbed to death, I always know instinctively that the victim and the perpetrator will both be black.

On Boxing Day it was on the news that a guy had been stabbed to death on London's Oxford Street. I thought: "I bet the victim is a black gang member."

It turns out that the victim was a black gang member who once appeared in a rap song video which promoted drugs and violence.

Stop equivocating and answer the damn question!!!! Do you have any proof Stephen lawrence was a Gang member?? If not shut up!

El Weirdo · 04-01-2012 08:48PM

Batsy wrote: »

You wouldn't ask me for such statistics if I said that the majority of gang members are white (proving that it's not me that's racist but you).

Although I have already provided statistics. The facts are that black youths in Britain are more likely to be involved in gangs than white youths.

And pretending that that is not the case and dismissing that fact as "racist" - as the left like to do - will not solve the problem of black youths in Britain joining gangs.

There are so many gangs which are made up of predominantly black youths that, whenever it's on the news that a teenager has been stabbed to death, I always know instinctively that the victim and the perpetrator will both be black.

On Boxing Day it was on the news that a guy had been stabbed to death on London's Oxford Street. I thought: "I bet the victim is a black gang member."

It turns out that the victim was a black gang member who once appeared in a rap song video which promoted drugs and violence.

Here's a statistic:

99.99% of your posts are utter bollocks.

Fact.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 08:51PM

Batsy wrote: »

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Again, you are refusing to give statistics to back up these alleged facts

You wouldn't ask me for such statistics if I said that the majority of gang members are white (proving that it's not me that's racist but you).

Although I have already provided statistics. The facts are that black youths in Britain are more likely to be involved in gangs than white youths.

And pretending that that is not the case and dismissing that fact as "racist" - as the left like to do - will not solve the problem of black youths in Britain joining gangs.

There are so many gangs which are made up of predominantly black youths that, whenever it's on the news that a teenager has been stabbed to death, I always know instinctively that the victim and the perpetrator will both be black.

On Boxing Day it was on the news that a guy had been stabbed to death on London's Oxford Street. I thought: "I bet the victim is a black gang member."

It turns out that the victim was a black gang member who once appeared in a rap song video which promoted drugs and violence.

How do you know they wouldn't ask for stats about white gang members? No, that assumption proves nothing whatsoever. But you most certainly are a racist - just admit it, it won't shock anyone.
Now again, stats on other black people aside, why are you so sure he was in a gang and stabbed by a rival gang member. Solid reasons, not racially/geographically based assumptions, would be sweet.

Batsy · 04-01-2012 08:54PM

Challenging gang culture

Mark Easton
18:04 UK time
Thursday, 9 July 2009
BBC

The values of black gang culture are as warped and vile as anything preached in al-Qaeda's terror camps. The death and suffering which follow from its violent, misogynistic dogma are no less devastating.

Just read the background to the murder of 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend if you don't believe me. It makes one weep.

The young man lying in a suburban cul-de-sac cried: "Mummy, mummy, mummy. I don't want to die."

But die he did, with a gaping hole in his stomach where one of his killers had twisted the blade of a knife.

So many aspects of this tale make one catch one's breath:

• the fact that young Shakilus had been led to his gang-land execution by his ex-girlfriend, a 15-year-old schoolgirl;

• the fact that the victim had posted a social networking site profile of himself wearing a stab-vest and holding a knife next to a message in which he warns that if you mess with him he will "slash your face up"

• the fact that two of his killers had "tried hard" to build up a criminal record - the pre-requisite of a true gangster;

• the fact that Samantha Joseph - the girl in the "love triangle" - was prepared to see Shakilus murdered in order to win back gangster Danny Mclean, a man who beat her regularly.

These are the features of a parallel morality, a distorted interpretation of the creed of capitalism where bling is king, where tolerance is weakness, where women are whores, where a criminal record is a badge of honour, where lack of "respect" justifies bullying, torture and even murder.

It is a form of imported fundamentalism as alien to democratic society as the views of the most hard-line Islamists.

When fighting al-Qaeda-inspired terror, the focus is not on the weapons but the ideology. When fighting murderous gang-culture, it seems to me, the focus is not on the ideology but the weapons.

Politicians obsess about knives and guns but do far les
s to counteract the values which inspire the behaviour.

British gang culture models itself on the criminal underworld of black ghettoes in America. There are, of course, white and Asian youths involved in gang violence and crime here in the UK. But look at its victims.

Look at the mug-shots. Overwhelmingly they are black - tragic black youths corrupted by a culture which should have no place here.

So why do we tolerate the preachers of black gang culture? Who is effectively challenging this stuff? I don't mean banning it - that almost certainly wouldn't work.

A better approach might be to mock it - make it appear so unsophisticated and out-dated that no self-respecting young black kid would want to be associated with it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/07/challenging_gang_culture.html

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 08:54PM

biko wrote: »

Batsy, I need you to find some proof of Lawrence being in a gang and that this was gang related, otherwise it's just you trolling this thread, trying to make it into something it's not. Even if other black youths are in gangs doesn't mean Lawrence was in one.
Come back when you have said proof. Thx

I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you tbh

Dudess · 04-01-2012 08:57PM

Batsy wrote: »

[SIZE="5"]Challenging gang culture[/SIZE]

Mark Easton
18:04 UK time
Thursday, 9 July 2009
BBC

The values of black gang culture are as warped and vile as anything preached in al-Qaeda's terror camps. The death and suffering which follow from its violent, misogynistic dogma are no less devastating.

Just read the background to the murder of 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend if you don't believe me. It makes one weep.

The young man lying in a suburban cul-de-sac cried: "Mummy, mummy, mummy. I don't want to die."

But die he did, with a gaping hole in his stomach where one of his killers had twisted the blade of a knife.

So many aspects of this tale make one catch one's breath:

• the fact that young Shakilus had been led to his gang-land execution by his ex-girlfriend, a 15-year-old schoolgirl;

• the fact that the victim had posted a social networking site profile of himself wearing a stab-vest and holding a knife next to a message in which he warns that if you mess with him he will "slash your face up"

• the fact that two of his killers had "tried hard" to build up a criminal record - the pre-requisite of a true gangster;

• the fact that Samantha Joseph - the girl in the "love triangle" - was prepared to see Shakilus murdered in order to win back gangster Danny Mclean, a man who beat her regularly.

These are the features of a parallel morality, a distorted interpretation of the creed of capitalism where bling is king, where tolerance is weakness, where women are whores, where a criminal record is a badge of honour, where lack of "respect" justifies bullying, torture and even murder.

It is a form of imported fundamentalism as alien to democratic society as the views of the most hard-line Islamists.

When fighting al-Qaeda-inspired terror, the focus is not on the weapons but the ideology. When fighting murderous gang-culture, it seems to me, the focus is not on the ideology but the weapons.

Politicians obsess about knives and guns but do far les
s to counteract the values which inspire the behaviour.

British gang culture models itself on the criminal underworld of black ghettoes in America. There are, of course, white and Asian youths involved in gang violence and crime here in the UK. But look at its victims.

Look at the mug-shots. Overwhelmingly they are black - tragic black youths corrupted by a culture which should have no place here.

So why do we tolerate the preachers of black gang culture? Who is effectively challenging this stuff? I don't mean banning it - that almost certainly wouldn't work.

A better approach might be to mock it - make it appear so unsophisticated and out-dated that no self-respecting young black kid would want to be associated with it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/07/challenging_gang_culture.html

Horrible stuff indeed. And a serious problem for black communities.
Now again, why are you pretty much certain Stephen was in a gang and those thugs didn't kill him?

AnonoBoy · 04-01-2012 08:59PM

Batsy wrote: »

Challenging gang culture

None of that has anything to do with Steven Lawrence.

It must be sad to be as deluded as you quite obviously are. You know full well you have no proof that Lawrence was ever involved in gangs but continue to rabbit on about gang culture as if it has something to do with this case.

KINGVictor · 04-01-2012 09:00PM

Batsy wrote: »

Challenging gang culture

Mark Easton
18:04 UK time
Thursday, 9 July 2009
BBC

The values of black gang culture are as warped and vile as anything preached in al-Qaeda's terror camps. The death and suffering which follow from its violent, misogynistic dogma are no less devastating.

Just read the background to the murder of 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend if you don't believe me. It makes one weep.

The young man lying in a suburban cul-de-sac cried: "Mummy, mummy, mummy. I don't want to die."

But die he did, with a gaping hole in his stomach where one of his killers had twisted the blade of a knife.

So many aspects of this tale make one catch one's breath:

• the fact that young Shakilus had been led to his gang-land execution by his ex-girlfriend, a 15-year-old schoolgirl;

• the fact that the victim had posted a social networking site profile of himself wearing a stab-vest and holding a knife next to a message in which he warns that if you mess with him he will "slash your face up"

• the fact that two of his killers had "tried hard" to build up a criminal record - the pre-requisite of a true gangster;

• the fact that Samantha Joseph - the girl in the "love triangle" - was prepared to see Shakilus murdered in order to win back gangster Danny Mclean, a man who beat her regularly.

These are the features of a parallel morality, a distorted interpretation of the creed of capitalism where bling is king, where tolerance is weakness, where women are whores, where a criminal record is a badge of honour, where lack of "respect" justifies bullying, torture and even murder.

It is a form of imported fundamentalism as alien to democratic society as the views of the most hard-line Islamists.

When fighting al-Qaeda-inspired terror, the focus is not on the weapons but the ideology. When fighting murderous gang-culture, it seems to me, the focus is not on the ideology but the weapons.

Politicians obsess about knives and guns but do far les
s to counteract the values which inspire the behaviour.

British gang culture models itself on the criminal underworld of black ghettoes in America. There are, of course, white and Asian youths involved in gang violence and crime here in the UK. But look at its victims.

Look at the mug-shots. Overwhelmingly they are black - tragic black youths corrupted by a culture which should have no place here.

So why do we tolerate the preachers of black gang culture? Who is effectively challenging this stuff? I don't mean banning it - that almost certainly wouldn't work.

A better approach might be to mock it - make it appear so unsophisticated and out-dated that no self-respecting young black kid would want to be associated with it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/07/challenging_gang_culture.html

You have been repeatedly warned about this sort of lazy and daft posts.

You post an entire link that you think supports your argument without making any meaningful contribution whatsoever, how does the above post prove that lawrence was a gang member or that his killing wasn't racially motivated?

Batsy, you got to do better than that

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 09:01PM

Batsy, you are a racist troll.

bruschi · 04-01-2012 09:01PM

Batsy wrote: »

You wouldn't ask me for such statistics if I said that the majority of gang members are white (proving that it's not me that's racist but you).

Although I have already provided statistics. The facts are that black youths in Britain are more likely to be involved in gangs than white youths.

And pretending that that is not the case and dismissing that fact as "racist" - as the left like to do - will not solve the problem of black youths in Britain joining gangs.

There are so many gangs which are made up of predominantly black youths that, whenever it's on the news that a teenager has been stabbed to death, I always know instinctively that the victim and the perpetrator will both be black.

On Boxing Day it was on the news that a guy had been stabbed to death on London's Oxford Street. I thought: "I bet the victim is a black gang member."

It turns out that the victim was a black gang member who once appeared in a rap song video which promoted drugs and violence.

so would it be far to say in this case, that you know nothing of the facts, at all, and are basing all your assumptions on Stephen Lawrences case on your prejudices and racist beliefs, rather than actually looking at the facts? Your mind was made up before any case was put forward, if we are to believe your way of thinking. you see Stephen Lawrence killed, and you already automatcially assume he was killed by another black gang member.

If the forensic evidence was so flimsy, then why was it permissable?
Why was it so strong that it over turned a double jeopardy case, which seldom (if ever) happens?
How come when they re did tests to see if the same results from dried blood from 'contamination' could produce the same results, it was negative, and the blood found, no matter how miniscule could only have been ingrained from fresh blood?
How could blood from Stephen Lawrence get onto clothes belonging to these men? It was proved it COULD NOT be derived from cross contamination. Tests were done.

Or, do you still want to stay on your racist prejudices and not actually look at fact, and keep writing rubbish but yet keep claiming this nonsense as facts?

mackg · 04-01-2012 09:01PM

Arianna_26 wrote: »

So what you are saying is that the only reason any Irish people have sympathy for an innocent man like Stephen Lawrence is because we don't have to deal with black communities here? Wow.

tl;dr the blacks are grand in theory :pac:

Batsy and BWatson since you're in the UK yourselves what do your black mates think of all this?

Batsy · 04-01-2012 09:02PM

Originally Posted by biko
Batsy, I need you to find some proof of Lawrence being in a gang and that this was gang related, otherwise it's just you trolling this thread, trying to make it into something it's not. Even if other black youths are in gangs doesn't mean Lawrence was in one.
Come back when you have said proof. Thx

I don't think there's any proof that Dobson and Norris killed Lawrence, apart from a few hairs from their clothes that were found on some of Lawrence's clothes.

"That is proof that they killed him!!" you all cry, even after being told that Norris and Dobson's clothes that were being used for evidence were stored right next to Lawrence's clothes in a storage room and that, therefore, it's likely that hairs from their clothes went onto Lawrence's clothes whilst they were being stored.

And the two were convicted on the fact that a few hairs from their clothes were found on Lawrence's jacket, despite their clothes and Lawrence's clothes being stored together in the same storage room!

Today is not a day to be proud of British justice.

AnonoBoy · 04-01-2012 09:04PM

You've gone all quiet on the "Lawrence was in a gang" lark suddenly haven't you Batsy?

It must be very annoying for you when actual facts are asked for.

brummytom · 04-01-2012 09:04PM

Batsy wrote: »

I don't think there's any proof that Dobson and Norris killed Lawrence, apart from a few hairs from their clothes that were found on some of Lawrence's clothes.

"That is proof that they killed him!!" you all cry, even after being told that Norris and Dobson's clothes that were being used for evidence were stored right next to Lawrence's clothes in a storage room and that, therefore, it's likely that hairs from their clothes went onto Lawrence's clothes whilst they were being stored.

How is that likely at all? Do you really think forensic scientists are that incompetent? Would the defence not have mentioned that?

There is evidence they killed Lawrence. There is absolutely none he was in a gang. Give up.

Today is not a day to be proud of British justice.

Reading your posts, I couldn't be any less proud to be British.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 09:06PM

We don't "cry" anything because there's far more evidence than that - evidence you'd be happy with if they were white and their victim black.
So anyway... the proof he was in a gang and killed by a rival gang member - our breaths are baited here.

Intensive Care Bear · 04-01-2012 09:07PM

I used to work with a guy (mixed race so i don't think he had anything against black people) who lived beside Stephen Lawrence and i remember him telling me years ago that Stephen Lawrence was part of a gang who used to break into cars, rob people etc and was know locally as a "proper rude boy" Now i have no way of knowing how true this is and in my opinion it doesn't matter (Hearsay not proof), i just thought id mention it. BTW i'm glad these guys have been locked up and hopefully more convictions will follow.

mackg · 04-01-2012 09:09PM

brummytom wrote: »

How is that likely at all? Do you really think forensic scientists are that incompetent? Would the defence not have mentioned that?

There is evidence they killed Lawrence. There is absolutely none he was in a gang. Give up.

Reading your posts, I couldn't be any less proud to be British.

He's doing for British pride what Fr. Neil Horan did for Irish.

KINGVictor · 04-01-2012 09:09PM

Batsy wrote: »

I don't think there's any proof that Dobson and Norris killed Lawrence, apart from a few hairs from their clothes that were found on some of Lawrence's clothes.

"That is proof that they killed him!!" you all cry, even after being told that Norris and Dobson's clothes that were being used for evidence were stored right next to Lawrence's clothes in a storage room and that, therefore, it's likely that hairs from their clothes went onto Lawrence's clothes whilst they were being stored.

And the two were convicted on the fact that a few hairs from their clothes were found on Lawrence's jacket, despite their clothes and Lawrence's clothes being stored together in the same storage room!

Today is not a day to be proud of British justice.

Yes it would not be a proud day for racists and their apologists-including Dobson/Norris friends that the prosecution team has warned that they would be coming for them.

However, the majority of the British public and all peoples with any civility left in them would be rest assured that no matter how long it takes- Justice shall surely be served!

fedor.2. · 04-01-2012 09:09PM

Whats with all the english racists in this thread, i always thought they had their own sh1tty websites for that

Dudess · 04-01-2012 09:09PM

1210m5g wrote: »

I used to work with a guy (mixed race so i don't think he had anything against black people) who lived beside Stephen Lawrence and i remember him telling me years ago that Stephen Lawrence was part of a gang who used to break into cars, rob people etc and was know locally as a "proper rude boy" Now i have no way of knowing how true this is and in my opinion it doesn't matter (Hearsay), i just thought id mention it. BTW i'm glad these guys have been locked up and hopefully more convictions will follow.

Yeah maybe it's true, but maybe it's bullsh1t - we don't know. Batsy will use it as an official source though. And how come none of that ever leaked out through police findings? Oh yeah, the "black protecting" conspiracy nobody can prove, despite the fact some of the police involved were found to have racial biases.

Tipsy McSwagger · 04-01-2012 09:09PM

After looking at those YouTube videos of the Martin Bashir interviews with the suspects, I don't understand why they don't refer to killing Stephen Lawrence in the secret police videos. They go on about killing **** & pakis and lots of other racist stuff but never boast about killing Stephen Lawrence. I'm not saying they are innocent at all, it just doesn't make sense. The only thing why they don't say anything is maybe because someone not involved is in the room.

Intensive Care Bear · 04-01-2012 09:15PM

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah maybe it's true, but maybe it's bullsh1t - we don't know. Batsy will use it as an official source though. And how come none of that ever leaked out through police findings? Oh yeah, the "black protecting" conspiracy nobody can prove, despite the fact some of the police involved were found to have racial biases.

For the record i don't believe in any "black protecting conspiracy's" and i acknowledged what i was told could have been Bulls*it, i just thought i'd share an opinion from someone who lived near by.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 09:19PM

1210m5g wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah maybe it's true, but maybe it's bullsh1t - we don't know. Batsy will use it as an official source though. And how come none of that ever leaked out through police findings? Oh yeah, the "black protecting" conspiracy nobody can prove, despite the fact some of the police involved were found to have racial biases.

For the record i don't believe in any "black protecting conspiracy's" and i acknowledged what i was told could have been Bulls*it, i just thought i'd share an opinion from someone who lived near by.

Oh sorry - I didn't mean it towards you.

AnonoBoy · 04-01-2012 09:19PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

The only thing why they don't say anything is maybe because someone not involved is in the room.

Good chance of that alright. Considering they knew they were suspects it would be extremely stupid of them to boast about it no matter how friendly they were with the guys in the room.

biko · 04-01-2012 09:23PM

Batsy banned

Logical Fallacy · 04-01-2012 09:23PM

Batsy wrote: »

I don't think there's any proof that Dobson and Norris killed Lawrence, apart from a few hairs from their clothes that were found on some of Lawrence's clothes.

"That is proof that they killed him!!" you all cry, even after being told that Norris and Dobson's clothes that were being used for evidence were stored right next to Lawrence's clothes in a storage room and that, therefore, it's likely that hairs from their clothes went onto Lawrence's clothes whilst they were being stored.

And the two were convicted on the fact that a few hairs from their clothes were found on Lawrence's jacket, despite their clothes and Lawrence's clothes being stored together in the same storage room!

Today is not a day to be proud of British justice.

Yes, if there is one thing about forensic evidence it is that it's kept in a big pile. Not with each item sealed off in a separate air tight bag.

(UK) Stephen Lawrence murder - Dobson & Norris Guilty

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