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K-9 · 04-01-2012 02:59AM

cournioni wrote: »

To be honest I am only enjoying the fact that Liverpool have shown the world just how classless they are by undermining the whole Let's Kick Racism Out campaign. I am enjoying it because I believe I have been proved right about Liverpool's lack of accountability in the past and to this present day.

I'm not particularly finding any of the rest of it enjoyable at all. It's quite sad that one person has used racist language against another.

Ah, the ould dig about the past again cournini. I suppose we'll be told to google it when questioned like you did previously.

You stay classy cournini.

I'm not finding this enjoyable at all. The whole Suarez vs. Evra thing is bad enough, posters like yourself referencing the past as some bearing on this case to get cheap digs in, is fecking worse.

Hillsborough or Heysel has no bearing on this case. Little surprises me on this forum, irrational hatred of Liverpool just another one.

kryogen · 04-01-2012 02:59AM

Seaneh wrote: »

In south american spanish, NOTHING, IT WOULD NEVER BE USED.

Shouting when your wrong is rarely wise

clubberlang12 · 04-01-2012 03:00AM

It's also fairly convenient how Professor Mazzucchelli completely leaves out the situation on which this was said, the hostile environment, the foul previous to it, the pinching of the arm, the patting of the head, the antagonizing in general by Suarez.

I think it's fairly logical to say that there was no friendly banter between them when these words were said.

Mr Alan · 04-01-2012 03:00AM

cournioni wrote: »

I'm not particularly finding any of the rest of it enjoyable at all. It's quite sad that one person has used racist language against another.

after some of the stuff you've posted on this site over the years, that's beyond hilarious and is the kind of feigned moral outrage that is cracking me up.

Blatter · 04-01-2012 03:02AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I've no idea if the claims were fabricated by Utd.

I'd appreciate it if you stopped claiming they were fabricated then, you've done it on countless occasions.

Simply pointing out to those Utd fans who evidently think the FA's verdict in this case is cast iron, must agree that Phelan & Co's evidence was unimpressive, unreliable & exaggerated.

The FA went as far as saying;

"Aspects of this evidence raise questions about the reliability of their claims"

Grand.

Seaneh · 04-01-2012 03:03AM

clubberlang12 wrote: »

It's also fairly convenient how Professor Mazzucchelli completely leaves out the situation on which this was said, the hostile environment, the foul previous to it, the pinching of the arm, the patting of the head, the antagonizing in general by Suarez.

I think it's fairly logical to say that there was no friendly banter between them when these words were said.

Nobody is saying it was friendly banter.

He would just have used the ****ing word without even realising it.
Not as a racial slur, much like, when squaring up to someone during a night out, you're like to a hear a dub saying "what's your problem, mate?".

Does this mean the dub thinks of the person he is squaring up to as a friend?

**** no it doesn't he just uses the bloody word a lot and doesn't realise it.

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:06AM

And would the person who initially uses the word unintentionally continue to use the word when it is made clear to him that it is offensive if he is not intending to cause offense Seaneh?

04-01-2012 03:06AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Nobody is saying it was friendly banter.

He would just have used the ****ing word without even realising it.
Not as a racial slur, much like, when squaring up to someone during a night out, you're like to a hear a dub saying "what's your problem, mate?".

Does this mean the dub thinks of the person he is squaring up to as a friend?

**** no it doesn't he just uses the bloody word a lot and doesn't realise it.

Why did you kick me?

Because you're a mate.

Matey, matey, matey.

Seaneh · 04-01-2012 03:07AM

peterswellman wrote: »

Why did you kick me?

Because you're a mate.

Matey, matey, matey.

That entire alleged sentence makes no sense in south american spanish anyway, so if Evra calims it happened, he is either lying or misunderstood.

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:08AM

The Suarez defenders really dont have a leg to stand on yet they still try, gotta admire that I guess, that kind of loyalty is rare in football these days.

Blatter · 04-01-2012 03:09AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Nobody is saying it was friendly banter.

He would just have used the ****ing word without even realising it.
Not as a racial slur, much like, when squaring up to someone during a night out, you're like to a hear a dub saying "what's your problem, mate?".

Does this mean the dub thinks of the person he is squaring up to as a friend?

**** no it doesn't he just uses the bloody word a lot and doesn't realise it.

The evidence of the linguistic experts, which Suarez accepted, disagree with you.

So basically Suarez disagrees with you.

Mr Alan · 04-01-2012 03:10AM

kryogen wrote: »

And would the person who initially uses the word unintentionally continue to use the word when it is made clear to him that it is offensive if he is not intending to cause offense Seaneh?

Did Suarez admit to using it multiple times?

If not, is there proof he used it multiple times?

Genuinely

04-01-2012 03:10AM

kryogen wrote: »

The Suarez defenders really dont have a leg to stand on yet they still try, gotta admire that I guess, that kind of loyalty is rare in football these days.

Despite the club letting him 'walk alone', the fans won't.

Admirable, if a tad silly.

Seaneh · 04-01-2012 03:10AM

I'm not a Suarez supporter, or a Liverpool supporter.

I actually think he's a bloody tramp, he's been a tramp since he was in Holland, and my dislike for Liverpool is well known.

I just cannot stand people who haven't a ****ing clue what they are talking about talk ****e and act like upholders of the moral standard.

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:11AM

Seaneh wrote: »

That entire alleged sentence makes no sense in south american spanish anyway, so if Evra calims it happened, he is either lying or misunderstood.

Why would Suarez accept the findings of the language experts so?

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:13AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Did Suarez admit to using it multiple times?

If not, is there proof he used it multiple times?

Genuinely

Genuinely?

have you not claimed to have read the report?

Read it again you will come across it, 7 times was the figure decided on

peterswellman wrote: »

Despite the club letting him 'walk alone', the fans won't.

Admirable, if a tad silly.

The club are not letting him go alone sure, they are supporting him regardless of the verdict, which is controversial to say the least

Seaneh wrote: »

I'm not a Suarez supporter, or a Liverpool supporter.

I actually think he's a bloody tramp, he's been a tramp since he was in Holland, and my dislike for Liverpool is well known.

I just cannot stand people who haven't a ****ing clue what they are talking about talk ****e and act like upholders of the moral standard.

Dont you realise that since you are coming in on this debate without all the information available you are one of those people mouthing off when they dont have a clue what they are talking about?

#15 · 04-01-2012 03:14AM

Here is the finding of Aldo Mazzucchelli, an award winning professor of hispanic studies from brown university in the US (one of the best universities in the world). And a Native of the Rio Da la Plata area.

K-9 · 04-01-2012 03:14AM

kryogen wrote: »

Why would Suarez accept the findings of the language experts so?

The findings of the same language experts who agreed his evidence was pretty consistent?

Why would he disagree with evidence agreeing with his evidence?

Would be a bit mad Ted.

04-01-2012 03:15AM

kryogen wrote: »

The club are not letting him go alone sure, they are supporting him regardless of the verdict, which is controversial to say the least

But, surely he's walking alone, in that if they believe he has been wronged to fight tooth and nail to clear him?

YNWA Luis /o\

J. Marston · 04-01-2012 03:15AM

''Move on.''

Seaneh · 04-01-2012 03:17AM

kryogen wrote: »

Genuinely?

have you not claimed to have read the report?

Read it again you will come across it, 7 times was the figure decided on

The club are not letting him go alone sure, they are supporting him regardless of the verdict, which is controversial to say the least

Dont you realise that since you are coming in on this debate without all the information available you are one of those people mouthing off when they dont have a clue what they are talking about?

I've read the report.

The things Evra claims he said, make no sense in any dialect of South American Spanish I've heard. The fact that They (the FA) are using the recollection of a non spanish speaker as evidence against Saurez is idiocy, they seem to think An Italian speaker, who gave a statement with spanish that made NO sense, is more reliable than the person whom he was quoting, is idiocy.

The "language experts" they used were either ignorant or willfully ignoring the obvious.

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:17AM

peterswellman wrote: »

But, surely he's walking alone, in that if they believe he has been wronged to fight tooth and nail to clear him?

YNWA Luis /o\

Sure they cant, for reasons that Dalgleish cant go into, my money is on aliens.

Hope the fans wont be too sore when Suarez re pays their loyalty by leaving for a better team in a couple of seasons if it happens, which after Torres is surely a plausible possibility anyway

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:19AM

Seaneh wrote: »

I've read the report.

The things Evra claims he said, make no sense in any dialect of South American Spanish I've heard. The fact that They (the FA) are using the recollection of a non spanish speaker as evidence against Saurez is idiocy, they seem to think An Italian speaker, who gave a statement with spanish that made NO sense, is more reliable than the person whom he was quoting, is idiocy.

The "language experts" they used were either ignorant or willfully ignoring the obvious.

As I said, I pity the ones who cant see whats right in front of them the most

They never deserve our anger, its not their fault

kryogen · 04-01-2012 03:20AM

Bowing out of this for the night, my bed is calling me, think I may be going mad

04-01-2012 03:20AM

kryogen wrote: »

Sure they cant, for reasons that Dalgleish cant go into, my money is on aliens.

Hope the fans wont be too sore when Suarez re pays their loyalty by leaving for a better team in a couple of seasons if it happens, which after Torres is surely a plausible possibility anyway

Than King Kenny's vibrant bunch? You're mistaken my friend, no such thing exists.

cournioni · 04-01-2012 03:21AM

K-9 wrote: »

Ah, the ould dig about the past again cournini. I suppose we'll be told to google it when questioned like you did previously.

You stay classy cournini.

I'm not finding this enjoyable at all. The whole Suarez vs. Evra thing is bad enough, posters like yourself referencing the past as some bearing on this case to get cheap digs in, is fecking worse.

Hillsborough or Heysel has no bearing on this case. Little surprises me on this forum, irrational hatred of Liverpool just another one.

I believe it was Michael Shields and Heysel I made reference to when I was taking about Liverpool taking no accountability. I don't remember saying anything else on this thread. I have said in the past that I found it sickening and I am delighted that Liverpool are being shown up for what they are by wearing t-shirts to support a player found to have used racist language on a football pitch.

As soon as Liverpool show the same accountability that they expect from others (and in some cases rightly so) I will continue to make reference to their past.

K-9 · 04-01-2012 03:22AM

kryogen wrote: »

Sure they cant, for reasons that Dalgleish cant go into, my money is on aliens.

Hope the fans wont be too sore when Suarez re pays their loyalty by leaving for a better team in a couple of seasons if it happens, which after Torres is surely a plausible possibility anyway

You better. When you start expecting Suarez to disagree with language experts who agree with his evidence...............

clubberlang12 · 04-01-2012 03:22AM

Seaneh wrote: »

I'm not a Suarez supporter, or a Liverpool supporter.

I actually think he's a bloody tramp, he's been a tramp since he was in Holland, and my dislike for Liverpool is well known.

I just cannot stand people who haven't a ****ing clue what they are talking about talk ****e and act like upholders of the moral standard.

You've spent the last few pages trying to "teach" us of it's meaning. We've all read the report, well most of us. We know it can be used in a friendly manner. But, you know what, it can also be used in an offensive manner.

From the report, statement from Peter Wade which was accepted by Suarez and his legal team.

170. The word "negro" can have pejorative connotations, as it may be associated with low class
status, ugliness, vulgar behaviour, noisiness, violence, dishonesty, sexual promiscuity etc.
In the River Plate region, for example, "los negros" is sometimes employed as a general
term for the lower classes and especially for lower-class people whose behaviour is
deemed vulgar and not "respectable".

So unless you are 100% positively sure Suarez didn't mean it in an offensive way, why are continuing with this reasoning that has being covered time and time again over the last few hundred pages?

Blatter · 04-01-2012 03:23AM

Seaneh wrote: »

I've read the report.

The things Evra claims he said, make no sense in any dialect of South American Spanish I've heard. The fact that They (the FA) are using the recollection of a non spanish speaker as evidence against Saurez is idiocy, they seem to think An Italian speaker, who gave a statement with spanish that made NO sense, is more reliable than the person whom he was quoting, is idiocy.

The "language experts" they used were either ignorant or willfully ignoring the obvious.

There are different examples of Suarez using both Uruguayan Spanish and European Spanish so that kind of makes your points moot tbh.

K-9 · 04-01-2012 03:24AM

cournioni wrote: »

I believe it was Michael Shields and Heysel I made reference to when I was taking about Liverpool taking no accountability. I don't remember saying anything else on this thread. I have said in the past that I found it sickening and I am delighted that Liverpool are being shown up for what they are by wearing t-shirts to support a player found to have used racist language on a football pitch.

As soon as Liverpool show the same accountability that they expect from others (and in some cases rightly so) I will continue to make reference to their past.

Do go on. Its a pretty big statement to put out there.

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