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I myself don't think Liverpool will appeal the decision it will just cause them more heartache. My guess is that they'll construe some statement saying that they still believe Suarez in innocent and are backing him, but feel there's no point in appealing as the FA have already made their minds up. Maybe not exactly that, but something along those lines and to that effect.

Because I can't see them appealing(as it will make them look worst and possibly get Suarez' ban extended) and I can't see them apologising and admitting they were wrong, so I don't see what else they are going to do here.

Regarding Daniel Taylor, I have always regarded him at the most reputable source on anything got to do United(or City for that matter). He gets things wrong very occasionally but is more or less spot on most of the time.

K-9 wrote: »

And I would point out that Taylor comes out for a hell of a lot of abuse on United threads. I found it odd he was quoted by United fan boys on this thread.

I myself am a regular on the United thread and have been for the last year, and can't recall anybody saying how Taylor is unreliable?

And even if a few did, they themselves didn't necessarily quote Taylor in this thread.

If you can provide evidence to the contrary, I'd agree that someone is selectively using Taylor's pieces and displaying double standards, but I honestly haven't seen it.

K-9 wrote: »

It'll take digging. I do recall Taylor being seen in a poor light on the thread.

Would you see Taylor as a reliable source on United? Just clarifying this?

I haven't been impressed with a couple of his articles and have probably said so in the past, but I suppose you could say that about any journalist. I remember one time, SAF had relied to a question asked in an interview with a french woman. It was obvious to me and others watching the video that SAF had misunderstood the question, but Taylor ran with the story anyway. But I stress that it was a rarity and it's likely he's going to screw up a few times seeing as he writes on United so much.

On the whole, I find him to be the journalist that's the most reliable source on United by a distance. There is many a time he's been the first to report things, I don't question his contacts and have no problem quoting him to back up arguments.

Meanwhile, the Sun:rolleyes: are reporting that the police are currently reading over the FA's document and Suarez may face criminal charges.

OK i still have not got any real explanation on why all statements from UTD never use the word "negro" , "niggger etc , and every single one of them use the specific word "black" .

When clearly at the time of the game and afterwards Evra was convinced that the direct translation of what he heard (negro) was niggger???

FA :

Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr
Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suarez made that
comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a ******". He now says
that he believes the words used by Mr Suarez mean "Because you are black". We shall
consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

Evra to the Marriner (ref):

Mr Evra's evidence was that while he was walking towards the referee he said "ref, ref, he
just called me a ****ing black". He said that he did not know whether the referee heard his
comment. The referee said something like "Calm down, Patrice, the game has been
brilliant, stop the pushing between you and Suarez, the game is going well

is it niggger or black he understands negro to be ?
also the ref never heard this to confirm ?

Evra to Marriner again when been booked :

The evidence of Mr Marriner about this incident was as follows. In the 65th minute of the
game, he had to issue a caution to Mr Evra after he saw him push Mr Kuyt in the chest
following a coming together. Mr Evra was clearly upset and mentioned that he was being
called "black". Mr Marriner did not hear whether Mr Evra said who was calling him
"black" and he did not understand what Mr Evra was referring to at the time. Mr Evra
made no other comment to the referee.

again Evra is it niggger or black you understand to be called ?
amazing that the ref again never heard Evras claim

Evra to Giggs :

Mr Evra added that after booking him, the referee spoke to Ryan Giggs. Mr Giggs
then asked Mr Evra what was wrong and Mr Evra told him that he had been called black.
Mr Giggs told Mr Evra to calm down and not get sent off

OK Patrice is it niggger or black you understood to be called cause we now have inconstancy in your statements !!!

Giggs evidence of the conversation:

Mr Giggs said to Mr Evra "what's happened?". Mr Evra
replied "he called me black". Mr Giggs assumed that Mr Evra was speaking about Mr
Kuyt since he had just been booked for some kind of tussle with Mr Kuyt. Mr Giggs said
to Mr Evra "did the ref hear it?", to which Mr Evra replied "I don't think so". Mr Giggs
then told Mr Evra to calm down and not get himself sent off.

Again for someone who believed he was called niggger ??
also very convenient that Giggs statement clearly asks about the ref hearing .

Four written statements sought by the FA from four UTD players who heard what Evra was uspset about in the dressing room:

We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened
immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their
evidence was given in the form of written witness statements.

Valancia:

Valencia said this:
"I cannot remember exactly the words Evra used but he said that Suarez had said
that he wouldn't speak to him because he was black. I think the words Evra used
were words similar to "Negro, no hablas conmigo"."

Hernandez:

"Although I was stood with the medical staff, I could clearly hear Evra as he was
speaking loudly. He said that during the game, Suarez said to him words similar to
"No voy a platicar contigo porque eres negro".
I understood from what Evra said that Suarez had been racially abusive towards him
and that he had told Evra that he would not speak to him because he was black."

Nani:

"I cannot remember exactly what Evra said but he was complaining that Suarez had
said something racist towards him. He said that Suarez had said that he wouldn't
talk to him because he was black. When he said this in English I think he used the
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word "******" but in Spanish/Portuguese he used the word "negro" or "preto", I
cannot remember exactly which.
Evra was also angry that Suarez had not been booked for saying what he did. Evra
said something like, "This is a joke. How is it possible that the referee does nothing
when he knows what happened?" Evra said that he had told the referee what Suarez
said to him."

Anderson:

"I cannot remember all the exact words Evra used but he told us that Suarez had said
to him on the pitch that he wouldn't speak to Evra because he was black. I think he
used words similar to "no hablo con negro"."

So to summarise :
Evra believed he was called a niggger yet no statement be it written or verbal ever states the word niggger ?

The written statements are way to close for my comfort and appear to me to be harmonised .

Strange that Evra spoke in a foreign tongue in the dressing room , which suits the statements ?

How did Marriner not hear Evra saying " he just called me black" ?
Fair enough when walking towards him , but when he was standing there getting booked .

Again i am not disputing the word, meaning or translation of "negro". I am questioning a sequence of events and statements that dont sit comfortably with me .

mixednuts wrote: »

OK i still have not got any real explanation on why all statements from UTD never use the word "negro" , "niggger etc , and every single one of them use the specific word "black" .

When clearly at the time of the game and afterwards Evra was convinced that the direct translation of what he heard (negro) was niggger???

FA :

Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr
Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suarez made that
comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a ******". He now says
that he believes the words used by Mr Suarez mean "Because you are black". We shall
consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

Evra to the Marriner (ref):

Mr Evra's evidence was that while he was walking towards the referee he said "ref, ref, he
just called me a ****ing black". He said that he did not know whether the referee heard his
comment. The referee said something like "Calm down, Patrice, the game has been
brilliant, stop the pushing between you and Suarez, the game is going well

is it niggger or black he understands negro to be ?
also the ref never heard this to confirm ?

Evra to Marriner again when been booked :

The evidence of Mr Marriner about this incident was as follows. In the 65th minute of the
game, he had to issue a caution to Mr Evra after he saw him push Mr Kuyt in the chest
following a coming together. Mr Evra was clearly upset and mentioned that he was being
called "black". Mr Marriner did not hear whether Mr Evra said who was calling him
"black" and he did not understand what Mr Evra was referring to at the time. Mr Evra
made no other comment to the referee.

again Evra is it niggger or black you understand to be called ?
amazing that the ref again never heard Evras claim

Evra to Giggs :

Mr Evra added that after booking him, the referee spoke to Ryan Giggs. Mr Giggs
then asked Mr Evra what was wrong and Mr Evra told him that he had been called black.
Mr Giggs told Mr Evra to calm down and not get sent off

OK Patrice is it niggger or black you understood to be called cause we now have inconstancy in your statements !!!

Giggs evidence of the conversation:

Mr Giggs said to Mr Evra "what's happened?". Mr Evra
replied "he called me black". Mr Giggs assumed that Mr Evra was speaking about Mr
Kuyt since he had just been booked for some kind of tussle with Mr Kuyt. Mr Giggs said
to Mr Evra "did the ref hear it?", to which Mr Evra replied "I don't think so". Mr Giggs
then told Mr Evra to calm down and not get himself sent off.

Again for someone who believed he was called niggger ??
also very convenient that Giggs statement clearly asks about the ref hearing .

Four written statements sought by the FA from four UTD players who heard what Evra was uspset about in the dressing room:

We received evidence from four of Mr Evra's team-mates about what happened
immediately after the game. They were Valencia, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson. Their
evidence was given in the form of written witness statements.

Valancia:

Valencia said this:
"I cannot remember exactly the words Evra used but he said that Suarez had said
that he wouldn't speak to him because he was black. I think the words Evra used
were words similar to "Negro, no hablas conmigo"."

Hernandez:

"Although I was stood with the medical staff, I could clearly hear Evra as he was
speaking loudly. He said that during the game, Suarez said to him words similar to
"No voy a platicar contigo porque eres negro".
I understood from what Evra said that Suarez had been racially abusive towards him
and that he had told Evra that he would not speak to him because he was black."

Nani:

"I cannot remember exactly what Evra said but he was complaining that Suarez had
said something racist towards him. He said that Suarez had said that he wouldn't
talk to him because he was black. When he said this in English I think he used the
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word "******" but in Spanish/Portuguese he used the word "negro" or "preto", I
cannot remember exactly which.
Evra was also angry that Suarez had not been booked for saying what he did. Evra
said something like, "This is a joke. How is it possible that the referee does nothing
when he knows what happened?" Evra said that he had told the referee what Suarez
said to him."

Anderson:

"I cannot remember all the exact words Evra used but he told us that Suarez had said
to him on the pitch that he wouldn't speak to Evra because he was black. I think he
used words similar to "no hablo con negro"."

So to summarise :
Evra believed he was called a niggger yet no statement be it written or verbal ever states the word niggger ?

The written statements are way to close for my comfort and appear to me to be harmonised .

Strange that Evra spoke in a foreign tongue in the dressing room , which suits the statements ?

How did Marriner not hear Evra saying " he just called me black" ?
Fair enough when walking towards him , but when he was standing there getting booked .

Again i am not disputing the word, meaning or translation of "negro". I am questioning a sequence of events and statements that dont sit comfortably with me .

Blatter already answered you on the negro/ni***r confusion.
As for your idea that the statements seem harmonised,maybe it's because they're the truth no???
Usually it's lies that throw up inconsistencies in statements,that then leads to your side of the story not being credible.

The Paulie Walnuts avatar is quite apt.