Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

Blatter · 01-01-2012 02:14AM

NickDrake wrote: »

So what you are saying is that it is perfectly fine to racially abuse someone and expect to get away with it?

If you go up to every black person you see in town and say " hey you blackie black etc" and they hold your hands up and say " I am not a racist, I am just saying a racist term"

Abolsute madness. He deserve everything he gets.

Saying racist slurs to people is digusting and I can't believe people on here are condoning it. Dear god it is 2012 and we are still stuck in the stone age.

:pac:

Please point out where I said, or even insinuated that? I'm intrigued at how on earth you've managed to come out with that.

Fuhrer · 01-01-2012 02:20AM

manual_man wrote: »

All i'm gonna say lads, is this sets a dangerous precedent. A number of times in that report (which i read from start to finish) the Commission tries to argue that it's decision was informed by the fact Suarez used the insulting term seven times. Fact. This disturbs me greatly, given there were no facts to back this up with. The FA are basically saying "oh we think this is what happened, so yes we're finding him guilty", hence tarnishing a human beings' reputation forever. I don't know whether Suarez is guilty or not. I'm not saying one way or the other. I honestly can't make my mind up based on what's outlined in the report. The FA have made a complete and utter balls of this imo. A person's life may be ruined based on what they 'believe to have happened'. Exercising caution, it appears, is not the FA's strong point.

Yeah, I dont know how you can keep deluding yourself like this

This isnt one mans word against another's.

Suarez admitted to calling Evra a negro.

Sure, you can argue about whether its a cultural thing that its ok to call a black man a negro but youd look like a fool if you did. But Surerez admitted to it.

So drop this bull****, its in black and white, he did it. He admitted to it.

And this rotten little smear campaign Liverpool have been running against Evra only makes the entire club and fans who help out in it, look like utterly disgusting people

Blatter · 01-01-2012 02:25AM

Also, worth pointng out that Evra didn't go 'crying' to the French media straight after the game.

Mr Evra served a supplemental witness statement to clarify the circumstances surrounding the interview he gave to Canal+. He said that as he is the only French player in the Manchester United team, Canal+ ask him to do an interview with them after everygame. He usually agrees to the interviews and would probably agree to 25 out of every 30 requests. After the match on 15 October, Canal+ asked Mr Evra for an interview as usual and he agreed. He said that he knew the Canal+ staff well and they could see that he was upset by something. He told them what had happened between Mr Suarez and him during the game.

He said that he specifically asked Canal+ not to ask him about the incident with Mr Suarez during the interview. However, the interviewer did ask him about why he was upset with Mr Suarez during the game. Mr Evra decided to answer the question but was careful not to say exactly the words that had been used. He told us that he would have preferred for the interviewer not to ask him about the incident but journalists always ask whatever they like.

The FA obtained from the Canal+ interviewer his account of what had happened. In an email to Ms Kennedy of the FA, Stephane Guy, the interviewer, said that Mr Evra answered the interviewer's request for an interview. He said that as Mr Evra is the only French-speaking player at Man U, the interviewer asks him each time that he covers the team's matches. Noticing that he was very distressed coming out of the changing room, Mr Guy first questioned Mr Evra off the record. It was then that Mr Evra revealed what Mr Guy described as "what has become the Suarez case". According to Mr Guy, it was his duty as a journalist to ask Mr Evra the same question again on the record even if he was not spontaneously in agreement to talk about it.

We have Evra saying he actually requested that he not be asked about the incident on the record, but when he was asked, he decided to speak out.

He also clears up the 'ten times' argument.

Mr Evra added, in his supplemental statement, that when he answered the question, he mentioned that a word had been said to him ten times. He told us that he did not mean this in the literal sense, it was just a way of talking. In French, he said, it is common to say something like "more than 10 times" but for you not to mean that it was actually over 10 times. It was just a figure of speech.

Dublin_Gunner · 01-01-2012 02:27AM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yeah, I dont know how you can keep deluding yourself like this

This isnt one mans word against another's.

Suarez admitted to calling Evra a negro.

Sure, you can argue about whether its a cultural thing that its ok to call a black man a negro but youd look like a fool if you did. But Surerez admitted to it.

So drop this bull****, its in black and white, he did it. He admitted to it.

And this rotten little smear campaign Liverpool have been running against Evra only makes the entire club and fans who help out in it, look like utterly disgusting people

If Evra called him a 'white man' would he be punished for it?

It was a remark relating to his skin colour no doubt, buts thats a far cry from racism.

If anything, Evra needs to look at himself a bit more closely if he honestly thinks that someone pointing out his skin colour is being racist, or indeed, he must have a problem with his own Ethnicity if he thinks being called what he is, is offensive.

He call Suarez a 'South American', Suarez responded by stating he's a 'black man'.

Guess what, he is a black man. How that is racist is beyond me. Typical minority bullsh1t.

NickDrake · 01-01-2012 02:29AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

If Evra called him a 'white man' would he be punished for it?

It was a remark relating to his skin colour no doubt, buts thats a far cry from racism.

If anything, Evra needs to look at himself a bit more closely if he honestly thinks that someone pointing out his skin colour is being racist, or indeed, he must have a problem with his own Ethnicity if he thinks being called what he is, is offensive.

He call Suarez a 'South American', Suarez responded by stating he's a 'black man'.

Guess what, he is a black man. How that is racist is beyond me. Typical minority bullsh1t.

Ah come on a remark about skin colour is generally racist and you know it

NickDrake · 01-01-2012 02:30AM

Blatter wrote: »

:pac:

Please point out where I said, or even insinuated that? I'm intrigued at how on earth you've managed to come out with that.

You said someone you says racist comments may not be a racist. Thats your theory.

Like someone who drink drives cannot be called a drink driver.

Drink drive ONCE and you could kill someone.

K-9 · 01-01-2012 02:33AM

Blatter wrote: »

Also, worth pointng out that Evra didn't go 'crying' to the French media straight after the game.

We have Evra saying he actually requested that he not be asked about the incident on the record, but when he was asked, he decided to speak out.

He also clears up the 'ten times' argument.

Comolli also says you would tend to be more definitive in something this specific, as a French speaker, but that was discarded as irrelevant!

greendom · 01-01-2012 02:33AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

If Evra called him a 'white man' would he be punished for it?

It was a remark relating to his skin colour no doubt, buts thats a far cry from racism.

If anything, Evra needs to look at himself a bit more closely if he honestly thinks that someone pointing out his skin colour is being racist, or indeed, he must have a problem with his own Ethnicity if he thinks being called what he is, is offensive.

He call Suarez a 'South American', Suarez responded by stating he's a 'black man'.

Guess what, he is a black man. How that is racist is beyond me. Typical minority bullsh1t.

Really scraping the barrel here

Blatter · 01-01-2012 02:36AM

NickDrake wrote: »

You said someone you says racist comments may not be a racist. Thats your theory.

Like someone who drink drives cannot be called a drink driver.

Drink drive ONCE and you could kill someone.

If someone drink drives, they are a drink driver because they could kill someone, as you say.

But if someone makes a racial slur, it doesn't make them a racist imo.

The definition of a racist is ''a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others''

Someone might be guilty of a racial slur to wind someone up, but it doesn't mean they hate all black people, or think their race is superior to others. Like if I slag a fat person because they're fat, it doesn't mean I hate all fat people.

Now don't get me wrong, a racist slur whether you're a racist or not is wholly unacceptable and I fully back the FA's verdict and punishment.

Dublin_Gunner · 01-01-2012 02:37AM

NickDrake wrote: »

Ah come on a remark about skin colour is generally racist and you know it

Callin someone a black man does not indicate racism.

Greendom - I'm just having a little rant TBH. The major failing was the lack of evidence that they said they require.

K-9 · 01-01-2012 02:37AM

Blatter wrote: »

:pac:

Please point out where I said, or even insinuated that? I'm intrigued at how on earth you've managed to come out with that.

Not surprising at all. I doubt you'll get a response, just wasting your time.

Fuhrer · 01-01-2012 02:37AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

He call Suarez a 'South American', Suarez responded by stating he's a 'black man'.

Where?

Where in the report is that?

Blatter · 01-01-2012 02:42AM

K-9 wrote: »

Comolli also says you would tend to be more definitive in something this specific, as a French speaker, but that was discarded as irrelevant!

Do you not personally think Evra's defense for saying ''at least 10 times'' isn't reasonable? Especially seeing as the FA found Suarez to have said Negro 7 times and taking factoring in that Evra was distressed by all accounts after the match!?

I didn't read into the 'ten times' thing too much at the time, and the findings in the report just confirmed my stance on that.

Fuhrer · 01-01-2012 02:42AM

K-9 wrote: »

Not surprising at all. I doubt you'll get a response, just wasting your time.

Aye, it must be like arguing with you.

Ignore what they say, and say you're putting them on the ignore list when you're point is utterly taken apart.

quarryman · 01-01-2012 02:42AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

If Evra called him a 'white man' would he be punished for it?

It was a remark relating to his skin colour no doubt, buts thats a far cry from racism.

If anything, Evra needs to look at himself a bit more closely if he honestly thinks that someone pointing out his skin colour is being racist, or indeed, he must have a problem with his own Ethnicity if he thinks being called what he is, is offensive.

He call Suarez a 'South American', Suarez responded by stating he's a 'black man'.

Guess what, he is a black man. How that is racist is beyond me. Typical minority bullsh1t.

The last word of that post really sums up the rest of it.

Fuhrer · 01-01-2012 02:43AM

Blatter wrote: »

Do you not personally think Evra's defense for saying ''at least 10 times'' isn't reasonable? Especially seeing as the FA found Suarez to have said Negro 7 times and taking factoring in that Evra was distressed by all accounts after the match!?

I didn't read into the 'ten times' thing too much at the time, and the findings in the report just confirmed my stance on that.

Seems to be the new defence, because Evra didnt get the exact number of times that Saurez called him a Negro perfect, the entire charge is a sham.

You couldnt make it up.

Will I Amnt · 01-01-2012 02:45AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

NickDrake wrote: »

Ah come on a remark about skin colour is generally racist and you know it

calling someone a black man does not indicate racism.

Greendom - I'm just having a little rant TBH. The major failing was the lack of evidence that they said they require.

It wasn't that simple.
He said he kicked him because he was black,he said he doesn't talk to black people and called him "blackie,blackie,blackie"
Is that not a bit racist??
Would you behave like that to a black person??

NickDrake · 01-01-2012 02:46AM

Blatter wrote: »

If someone drink drives, they are a drink driver because they could kill someone, as you say.

But if someone makes a racial slur, it doesn't make them a racist imo.

The definition of a racist is ''a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others''

Someone might be guilty of a racial slur to wind someone up, but it doesn't mean they hate all black people, or think their race is superior to others. Like if I slag a fat person because they're fat, it doesn't mean I hate all fat people.

Now don't get me wrong, a racist slur whether you're a racist or not is wholly unacceptable and I fully back the FA's verdict and punishment.

So you can go around using racial slurs everday and simple put your hand up and say you are not a racist?

Where did you get that definition?? That is not what is written in the law my friend.

NickDrake · 01-01-2012 02:47AM

cambo2008 wrote: »

It wasn't that simple.
He said he kicked him because he was black,he said he doesn't talk to black people and called him "blackie,blackie,blackie"
Is that not a bit racist??
Would you behave like that to a black person??

Sounds racist to me and on the definition of Blatter he is as he is saying he is superior to others

NickDrake · 01-01-2012 02:49AM

Blatter wrote: »

If someone drink drives, they are a drink driver because they could kill someone, as you say.

But if someone makes a racial slur, it doesn't make them a racist imo.

The definition of a racist is ''a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others''

Someone might be guilty of a racial slur to wind someone up, but it doesn't mean they hate all black people, or think their race is superior to others. Like if I slag a fat person because they're fat, it doesn't mean I hate all fat people.

Now don't get me wrong, a racist slur whether you're a racist or not is wholly unacceptable and I fully back the FA's verdict and punishment.

According to the report Suarez said he doesn't talk to black people. Sounds like he is prejudiced and believes he is superior to others. SO by your definition he is racist

Will I Amnt · 01-01-2012 02:52AM

NickDrake wrote: »

Sounds racist to me and on the definition of Blatter he is as he is saying he is superior to others

Not necessarily,he could be just using phrases like that for a wind up while not holding them views.

Blatter · 01-01-2012 02:54AM

NickDrake wrote: »

So you can go around using racial slurs everday and simple put your hand up and say you are not a racist?

Where did you get that definition?? That is not what is written in the law my friend.

I've already said that legally people are entitled to call Suarez a racist f they want.

NickDrake wrote: »

According to the report Suarez said he doesn't talk to black people. Sounds like he is prejudiced and believes he is superior to others. SO by your definition he is racist

Where does it say in the report that Suarez says he doesn't talk to black people? Of course he does!

Seeing as you're so familiar with the report, you are aware that both the FA and Evra have claimed they don't believe Suarez to be a racist person?

K-9 · 01-01-2012 02:54AM

Blatter wrote: »

Do you not personally think Evra's defense for saying ''at least 10 times'' isn't reasonable? Especially seeing as the FA found Suarez to have said Negro 7 times and taking factoring in that Evra was distressed by all accounts after the match!?

I didn't read into the 'ten times' thing too much at the time, and the findings in the report just confirmed my stance on that.

Yeah its reasonable, just as Commoli saying you'd usually be specific in a particular case.

Edit: word of advice, you wont get any reasonableness out of the last few posters. Few as in 3!

Dublin_Gunner · 01-01-2012 02:56AM

cambo2008 wrote: »

It wasn't that simple.
He said he kicked him because he was black,he said he doesn't talk to black people and called him "blackie,blackie,blackie"
Is that not a bit racist??
Would you behave like that to a black person??

No, that's what Evra said happened. A conversation which noone else witnessed nor is there any evidence of.

It's very obvious there's people hear arguing a report they have never, nor have any intention of reading.

NickDrake · 01-01-2012 02:58AM

Blatter wrote: »

I've already said that legally people are entitled to call Suarez a racist f they want.

Where does it say in the report that Suarez says he doesn't talk to black people? Of course he does!

Seeing as you're so familiar with the report, you are aware that both the FA and Evra have claimed they don't believe Suarez to be a racist person?

He said that.. Read the report. All over sky sports tonight. He said he doesn't talk to black people

Fuhrer · 01-01-2012 03:00AM

K-9 wrote: »

Edit: word of advice, you wont get any reasonableness out of the last few posters. Few as in 3!

Like I said before, this is coming from the poster who made such an utterly stupid point that when it was refuted he threw a strop and announced that those who laughable tore him apart with such staggering ease, they were then going on his ignore list.

Truly and utterly breathtaking hypocrisy and general cry baby bull****.

Will I Amnt · 01-01-2012 03:01AM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

It wasn't that simple.
He said he kicked him because he was black,he said he doesn't talk to black people and called him "blackie,blackie,blackie"
Is that not a bit racist??
Would you behave like that to a black person??

No, that's what Evra said happened. A conversation which noone else witnessed nor is there any evidence of.

That's what happened according to the findings,but you like most Liverpool fans are just denying everything in it.

Soups123 · 01-01-2012 03:09AM

I haven't posted on this until now and ignored most of the ****e about it until more details came out.

Suarez's behaviour in what he said is disgusting and he deserves his ban.

It's a strange world and environment and what can be said and done on a pitch in some way has exception to normal day life, an example being 30,000 + fans singing ur a pedophile to Wenger 5/6 times a year.

Penalizing Suarez is not going to address the problem, football lacks a complete lack of respect and until a zero tollerance is applied to everything that goes on within a stadium then this sort of thing will happen weekly.

How many of us could walk into work on Monday morning and call someone a 'Negro' and expect to have a job Monday afternoon.

Lastly I find it completely hypercritical of the FA in how they have dealt with this and openly supported Terry at the same time.

Dublin_Gunner · 01-01-2012 03:17AM

cambo2008 wrote: »

That's what happened according to the findings,but you like most Liverpool fans are just denying everything in it.

And where in the 'findings' does it say that is what Suarez said?? Nowhere. The only place that's said is in Evra's statement.

Nobody's denying anything, we're actually reading the damn thing though lol

Will I Amnt · 01-01-2012 03:19AM

Soups123 wrote: »

Lastly I find it completely hypocritical of the FA in how they have dealt with this and openly supported Terry at the same time.

I don't think the FA have come out in support of Terry however if they don't dish out an equal or greater punishment it will be a disgrace.

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