Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Helix · 31-12-2011 08:30PM

K-9 wrote: »

It then says more evidence is required than is normal because its a serious charge.

Commoli and Evra don't seem up on Spanish as they like to think!

what about kuyt and his dutch?

Crazy Horse 6 · 31-12-2011 08:31PM

Helix wrote: »

again, if the fa rule book states that players can be found guilty on the balance of probability then there's not one jot liverpool can do about it

I hope we see them in a real court, not this kangaroo affair, where a man's reputation can be destroyed on balance of probabilities just because it suits the present FA agenda against Blatter. Suarez was from day one going to be used as a scapegoat by the FA, i for one hope the club bring this to the highest court possible.

Turtyturd · 31-12-2011 08:31PM

Helix wrote: »

what about kuyt and his dutch?

I wouldn't say Suarez is the most fluent speaker.

Helix · 31-12-2011 08:32PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I hope we see them in a real court, not this kangaroo affair, where a man's reputation can be destroyed on balance of probabilities just because it suits the present FA agenda against Blatter. Suarez was from day one going to be used as a scapegoat by the FA, i for one hope the club bring this to the highest court possible.

its arguable whether or not it will be able to go to a court, or whether any legal court rulings could actually affect the outcome of the fa case. bottom line is liverpool are members of the fa, and accept the fa rule book as part of that membership

it may be the case that the CAS is the highest court it can go to, and even that's not actually legal

Helix · 31-12-2011 08:33PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

I wouldn't say Suarez is the most fluent speaker.

fierce unlucky that isnt it

terrible coincidence too

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 08:34PM

Helix wrote: »

again, if the fa rule book states that players can be found guilty on the balance of probability then there's not one jot liverpool can do about it

I've persoanlly explained this twice. Due to the nature of the accusation, the FA explain in the report that they would seek much higher burdens of proof than the generally accpeted 'more likely than not' equivalent of a civil court.

They themselves in the report state that.

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 08:36PM

Helix wrote: »

fierce unlucky that isnt it

terrible coincidence too

Hardly, considering he's not Dutch.

Helix · 31-12-2011 08:38PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I've persoanlly explained this twice. Due to the nature of the accusation, the FA explain in the report that they would seek much higher burdens of proof than the generally accpeted 'more likely than not' equivalent of a civil court.

They themselves in the report state that.

yeah, they do state it in the report, and by stating it they obviously feel that it meets their requirements. they don't say, however, that those requirements need to be in line with the courts of the land, hence the "more likely than not"

they don't need to prove it conclusively, they just need to prove it so that they're fairly sure they're right

Helix · 31-12-2011 08:39PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Hardly, considering he's not Dutch.

i was more referring to the fact that both comolli AND kuyt both misunderstood him in the exact same way... one in his native language, one in the language of a country he was living in for 4 year

incredible coincidence they'd both misunderstand him identically in two different languages at two different times

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 08:40PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I've persoanlly explained this twice. Due to the nature of the accusation, the FA explain in the report that they would seek much higher burdens of proof than the generally accpeted 'more likely than not' equivalent of a civil court.

They themselves in the report state that.

No they don't.

They state there's a higher burden of evidence, not proof.

mike65 · 31-12-2011 08:40PM

Helix wrote: »

yeah, they do state it in the report, and by stating it they obviously feel that it meets their requirements. they don't say, however, that those requirements need to be in line with the courts of the land, hence the "more likely than not"

they don't need to prove it conclusively, they just need to prove it so that they're fairly sure they're right

If you were the subject of a civil case that reached a damaging conclusion on such a basis I doubt you'd be too happy.

Helix · 31-12-2011 08:42PM

mike65 wrote: »

If you were the subject of a civil case that reached a damaging conclusion on such a basis I doubt you'd be too happy.

if i was dumb enough to do what suarez did, and dumb enough to handle it like liverpool did, id probably be dumb enough not to realise that the laws of the game are subscribed to by liverpool in their membership of the association

monkey9 · 31-12-2011 08:43PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Hardly, considering he's not Dutch.

He can speak dutch though. That's how himself and Kuyt communicate.

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 08:43PM

mike65 wrote: »

If you were the subject of a civil case that reached a damaging conclusion on such a basis I doubt you'd be too happy.

You wouldn't be, and you'd appeal

K-9 · 31-12-2011 08:44PM

Helix wrote: »

what about kuyt and his dutch?

Who misheard Evra later? Is he that credible?

Samich · 31-12-2011 08:45PM

amiable wrote: »

Someone who can't be bothered to read the report but wants to give their opinion on it.

Explain how that works and why exactly you would like to be taken seriously.

I've read the main parts of the report which have been quoted on here and the things Suarez has said. 8 matches isn't enough.

monkey9 · 31-12-2011 08:48PM

Samich wrote: »

I've read the main parts of the report which have been quoted on here and the things Suarez has said. 8 matches isn't enough.

The things Evra said he said

amiable · 31-12-2011 08:48PM

Samich wrote: »

I've read the main parts of the report which have been quoted on here and the things Suarez has said. 8 matches isn't enough.

Fair enough. You won't mind if your opinion is dismissed as irrelevant so

Samich · 31-12-2011 08:49PM

amiable wrote: »

Fair enough. You won't mind if your opinion is dismissed as irrelevant so

No ones opinion is relevant on here you find :cool:

Tusky · 31-12-2011 08:50PM

Samich wrote: »

I've read the main parts of the report which have been quoted on here and the things Suarez has said. 8 matches isn't enough.

Samich wrote: »

That's a lolification if I ever saw one. Take your liverpool hat off for once and read i unbiased. Suarez got off lightly.

Samich wrote: »

No I haven't read it, I can't be bothered reading through pages of irrelevant crap.

And to the people who say "No Evidence, No Proof" Or whatever ye'r saying.

So saying that if someone broke into someones house, they're innocent because there was no evidence?

Can we all agree to stop engaging with this guy?

amiable · 31-12-2011 08:50PM

Tusky wrote: »

Can we all agree to stop engaging with this guy?

+1

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 08:53PM

Tusky wrote: »

Can we all agree to stop engaging with this guy?

What guy?

Samich · 31-12-2011 08:55PM

Tusky wrote: »

Can we all agree to stop engaging with this guy?

Just because ye'r upset poor Luis got banned unfairly because he didn't make a racist remark...which he did.

one things for sure, he'll be banned for 8 games and no less. It won't be reduced. 8 games isn't enough. No room in soccer for racism.

mormank · 31-12-2011 09:00PM

K-9 wrote: »

So nobody heard the exchange, even the United goalie.

What's more, the referee never even heard the second exchange where Evra told him "he just called me black".

Bizarre if that's what the conviction is based on.

Why does he get a special mention? Do Spanish people have super sensitive hearing or something?

monkey9 · 31-12-2011 09:01PM

mormank wrote: »

Why does he get a special mention? Do Spanish people have super sensitive hearing or something?

He was right beside them. In fairness, there's no way he would have heard anything

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 09:05PM

monkey9 wrote: »

He was right beside them. In fairness, there's no way he would have heard anything

most likely because there was nothing to hear...

Samich · 31-12-2011 09:08PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

most likely because there was nothing to hear...

Suarez admitted using the word Negro.

clubberlang12 · 31-12-2011 09:11PM

monkey9 wrote: »

He was right beside them. In fairness, there's no way he would have heard anything

That proves absolutely nothing. Suarez admitted not hearing Evra say "Concha de tu hermana" and he was only a few yards away from him.

monkey9 · 31-12-2011 09:14PM

clubberlang12 wrote: »

That proves absolutely nothing. Suarez admitted not hearing Evra say "Concha de tu hermana" and he was only a few yards away from him.

That's what i'm saying. I wouldn't have expected de Gea to have heard anything!

clubberlang12 · 31-12-2011 09:18PM

Sorry, and apologies if i have taken you up wrong, but i reckoned from your comment about De Gea not hearing anything, that you implied it to mean that nothing was said between Suarez and Evra prior to corner simply because he was in proximity to the event and should have heard the conversation.

Again, if i have taken you up wrong, apologies my friend.

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