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Thanx 4 The Fish · 31-12-2011 07:19PM

Open again. Keep it on topic. Report here.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

Bodhisopha · 31-12-2011 07:20PM

YAY!!!

Handsome Bob · 31-12-2011 07:22PM

eigrod wrote: »

Kuyt says he said it. Referee said he's not sure what he said. Evra said he didn't say it.

All over that report it's a case of accepting Evra's arguments and dismissing Suarez's and Kuyt's. It stinks.

Evra's account is more coherent and consistent, it's as simple as that unfortunately. Suarez's account and when the incident actually occured doesn't even match up with the video evidence, FFS like.

31-12-2011 07:24PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

So it turns out all the bull**** info about Evra saying he was only being booked because he was black is complete bull**** that could have only been leaked by Liverpool

Eh, no. Kuyt heard him say it.

Jaysus, people should actually read the fcking report before talking nonsense.

Fuhrer · 31-12-2011 07:24PM

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

He was already labelled as that well before the Suarez incident occurred.

When is the report published? Have I missed it?

It was nice of you to make that unfounded allegation about Evra and then lock the thread.

True to form really

ShamoBuc · 31-12-2011 07:24PM

Skimmed through the 100 odd pages and it seems like one side of the argument and no actual proof - maybe that will come in the next 100 pages.....hopefully.

mike65 · 31-12-2011 07:25PM

Jason Roberts on 606 is close to calling Saurez a racist.

Helix · 31-12-2011 07:25PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Eh, no. Kuyt heard him say it

kuyt thought he heard him say it, other witnesses said otherwise

Fuhrer · 31-12-2011 07:26PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Eh, no. Kuyt heard him say it.

Jaysus, people should actually read the fcking report before talking nonsense.

Aye, genius thats what I said. Bother reading the report and the referee who was talking to Evra and Evra said it wasnt true, yet Liverpool leaked it out anyway.

IamtheWalrus · 31-12-2011 07:26PM

Case closed. FA: Credit where it's due.

opr · 31-12-2011 07:27PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yes, where both Evra and the referee deny it.

Its pretty safe to say that Kuyt heard it wrong

My post was in reference to pointing out where the information originated is a little different from your absurd ranting about how the information had popped up out of thin air.

Opr

Fuhrer · 31-12-2011 07:27PM

opr wrote: »

My post was in reference to pointing out where the information originated is a little different from your absurd ranting about how the information had popped up out of thin air.

Opr

Kuyt said he heard something that wasnt said, how is that different then what I said?

Handsome Bob · 31-12-2011 07:28PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Skimmed through the 100 odd pages and it seems like one side of the argument and no actual proof - maybe that will come in the next 100 pages.....hopefully.

This is what I meant in the other thread when I said that Suarez talked himself into a guilty verdict. There's no compelling evidence against him but the problem is that Suarez's accounts of what happened illicited too many inconsistencies.

Will I Amnt · 31-12-2011 07:30PM

mike65 wrote: »

Jason Roberts on 606 is close to calling Saurez a racist.

I didn't think he was all through this but if what's in that report is true he most definitely is.

K-9 · 31-12-2011 07:34PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

This is what I meant in the other thread when I said that Suarez talked himself into a guilty verdict. There's no compelling evidence against him but the problem is that Suarez's accounts of what happened illicited too many inconsistencies.

But it says Suarez doesn't have to prove his innocence, its up to the FA to charge based on the balance of probabilities. Very strange, not to have to prove anything yet be called unreliable!

Bodhisopha · 31-12-2011 07:35PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

I didn't think he was all through this but if what's in that report is true he most definitely is.

Not necessarily, but that's a whole new argument.

I will say this though, if it's true, i'm not sure either way, but if it is, the 8 match ban that i originally thought harsh is justified.

MagicMarker · 31-12-2011 07:37PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

I will say this though, if it's true, i'm not sure either way, but if it is, the 8 match ban that i originally thought harsh is justified.

You spelled lenient wrong.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 31-12-2011 07:37PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

It was nice of you to make that unfounded allegation about Evra and then lock the thread.

True to form really

Are you serious? How long did you wait to post that?:rolleyes: I never suggested that anything that he was called was untrue or true. I quite simply stated that this is something that he was labelled as previously. Perhaps you are a bit touchy today, I can understand that but no need to take it out on anybody else. Now if there is anything else then please feel free to PM me, otherwise feel free to continue posting if it is on topic.

The bolded bit goes for everyone else too.

Helix · 31-12-2011 07:38PM

K-9 wrote: »

But it says Suarez doesn't have to prove his innocence, its up to the FA to charge based on the balance of probabilities. Very strange, not to have to prove anything yet be called unreliable!

evra's evidence was found to be more consistent, in line with available evidence and reliable than suarez's, which kept changing as the case progressed

Leiva · 31-12-2011 07:38PM

Any UTD supporter worth their salt would see the absolute shambles that this verdict is .

Fuhrer · 31-12-2011 07:40PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Any UTD supporter worth their salt would see the absolute shambles that this verdict is .

How utterly pathetic is this.

This report is utterly conclusive that Suarez is guilty

The only shambles here is the behaviour of Liverpool fans

IamtheWalrus · 31-12-2011 07:42PM

This report by the FA could have rammifications for the players Liverpool future. The club has it's reputation round the world to think about. They put their neck on the line for the player.

Will Liverpool now sack Suarez? They may have to if their sponsors have their way.

31-12-2011 07:42PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Any UTD supporter worth their salt would see the absolute shambles that this verdict is .

yeah 8 games is a bit light alright.

amiable · 31-12-2011 07:43PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

How utterly pathetic is this.

This report is utterly conclusive that Suarez is guilty

The only shambles here is the behaviour of Liverpool fans

BBC: "Suarez was found guilty on the "balance of probability" - a lower standard than the criminal standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt"

Handsome Bob · 31-12-2011 07:43PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

The only shambles here is the behaviour of Liverpool fans

Some LFC fans are reacting to this calmly and reasonably so maybe you and a few others should take it easy with the generalisations.

amiable · 31-12-2011 07:43PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

This report by the FA could have rammifications for the players Liverpool future. The club has it's reputation round the world to think about. They put their neck on the line for the player.

Will Liverpool now sack Suarez? They may have to if their sponsors have their way.

No

Helix · 31-12-2011 07:43PM

amiable wrote: »

BBC: "Suarez was found guilty on the "balance of probability" - a lower standard than the criminal standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt"

in line with their rules, rules that liverpool fc accept by their membership of the association

Fuhrer · 31-12-2011 07:44PM

amiable wrote: »

BBC: "Suarez was found guilty on the "balance of probability" - a lower standard than the criminal standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt"

So I guess every civil case ever is a shambles as well

Mother of ****ing christ...

monkey9 · 31-12-2011 07:45PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Why isn't Suarez charged like John Terry? Is it only because no one complained to the cops as was the case with JT?

Yep, that's the reason. You'd need proof to charge Suarez, tbh and that's something the FA don't have.

K-9 · 31-12-2011 07:45PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

How utterly pathetic is this.

This report is utterly conclusive that Suarez is guilty

The only shambles here is the behaviour of Liverpool fans

The balance of probabilities is in no logical way utterly conclusive, except to biased observers!

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