Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 03:24PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Because they want to sell, and nobody else will pay that

Same situation with Villa and Bent.

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 03:25PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

We can't really offer him the money. I can't see the club smashing it's transfer wage cap for Tevez. It would be double of what the next best paid player is and then the floodgates would be opened.

I don't think they will either, but I think paying Tevez £250k/wk makes more sense then paying Carroll and Bent a combined £160-180k/wk

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 03:25PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Dalglish/Rush partnership was about 25 years ago. The game has changed. I just don't believe a real top team can carry a player like Bent who adds very little to geneal play.

Rush tracked back and worked very hard outside the 18 yard box when the team did not have the ball. Rush and Bent are like chalk and cheese in terms of general play.

Someone like Gary Lineker would have been a better comparison to Bent.

But to touch on your point about a player who adds little to general play not being able for a top 4 team slot. It did not hurt United much when they had to "carry" van Nistelrooy. If the rest of the team is good enough as a unit, then a genuine finisher can be fit into the starting XI. Hell look at Torres for us, his general play was nothing special and he could go missing for large chunks of games yet still manage to find the net a few times in the same games.

5starpool · 31-12-2011 03:26PM

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 03:27PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Same situation with Villa and Bent.

Do Villa want to sell, or is that just hearsay?

I doubt Villa are as anxious to see Bent go as City are to see Tevez go

skydish79 · 31-12-2011 03:29PM

Would prefer us to target some quality in midfield before looking at the strikers

G.K. · 31-12-2011 03:31PM

Damn, I wanted Wilson for leeds

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:32PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Rush tracked back and worked very hard outside the 18 yard box when the team did not have the ball. Rush and Bent are like chalk and cheese in terms of general play.

Someone like Gary Lineker would have been a better comparison to Bent.

But to touch on your point about a player who adds little to general play not being able for a top 4 team slot. It did not hurt United much when they had to "carry" van Nistelrooy. If the rest of the team is good enough as a unit, then a genuine finisher can be fit into the starting XI. Hell look at Torres for us, his general play was nothing special and he could go missing for large chunks of games yet still manage to find the net a few times in the same games.

It was someone else who made the Rush comparison not me! Wouldn't hear a bad word about him:D

Van Nistlerooys time at United saw him score 30 plus a season. Every season. You can carry that. Not someone like Bent who'll get around 15 goals. Likewise torres, who had a favourbale goals to games ratio (during his time at Liverpool) and made an impact in the big games.

But listen, if people want Darren Bent at Liverpool good luck to you. It's all about opinions...I don't rate Bent. Torres and Van Nistlerooy were class though and I think a cut above Darren Bent.

We do need who is a better finisher yes but why can't they be useful in other departments as well.

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 03:34PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Do Villa want to sell, or is that just hearsay?

I doubt Villa are as anxious to see Bent go as City are to see Tevez go

I think they want to sell because Bent doesn't want to be there.

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 03:36PM

skydish79 wrote: »

Would prefer us to target some quality in midfield before looking at the strikers

Would be my preference as well to strengthen there first. Get some genuine quality and steel.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 03:40PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Would be my preference as well to strengthen there first. Get some genuine quality and steel.

When you have scored less goals than the bottom team in the league, your £35 million striker is not contributing and your main striker is banned for 8 games, I think a striker is a priority.

livinginkorea · 31-12-2011 03:43PM

We need a right poacher of a striker...loads of balls being knocked pass the goal with nobody on the end of them. Carroll sits back too far and doesn't know what to do. Hopefully we will get a decent one in the transfer window.

ShamoBuc · 31-12-2011 03:45PM

I guess a point at home to Blackburn look like a better result today!!!!

jesus_thats_gre · 31-12-2011 03:45PM

5starpool wrote: »

This is ****..

Jayob10 · 31-12-2011 03:45PM

Bent would be such a short sighted signing, and he would cost a shed load. Terrible signing if it happened. Saying that I would not be one bit surprised if we ended up with him.

As a previous poster said, Comolli's role needs looking at if the best we can come up with is Darren Bent, for all his contacts around the globe.

He was not given an automatic start at Spurs however I do worry about his ability to cut it at a big club where he is under the microscope game in game out.

Love to see us make a move for Higuain, although it would probably be more likely in the Summer. Terrific player, who is by no means a regular for Real.

Huntelaar is another good shout, although the best time to sign him was when he was at Real aswell, he would cost a fortune now.

I just feel that there has got to be an unknown out there that we can sign for a smaller fee. to coin the phrase, a fox in the box. I personally believe it has never been easier to be a striker in this Liverpool side, the amount of balls whipped across the 6 yard box has never been more plentiful. Fowler would have an absolute field day

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 03:47PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Bent would be such a short sighted signing, and he would cost a shed load. Terrible signing if it happened. Saying that I would not be one bit surprised if we ended up with him.

As a previous poster said, Comolli's role needs looking at if the best we can come up with is Darren Bent, for all his contacts around the globe.

He was not given an automatic start at Spurs however I do worry about his ability to cut it at a big club where he is under the microscope game in game out.

Love to see us make a move for Higuain, although it would probably be more likely in the Summer. Terrific player, who is by no means a regular for Real.

Huntelaar is another good shout, although the best time to sign him was when he was at Real aswell, he would cost a fortune now.

I just feel that there has got to be an unknown out there that we can sign for a smaller fee. to coin the phrase, a fox in the box. I personally believe it has never been easier to be a striker in this Liverpool side, the amount of balls whipped across the 6 yard box has never been more plentiful. Fowler would have an absolute field day

Luuk De Jong has been watched numerous times by Liverool.

Grayditch · 31-12-2011 03:47PM

A certain result today makes me feels whole lot better about Stephens' Day where I took some amount of abuse from people who are about to get a text right about now...

Yakult · 31-12-2011 03:49PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

When you have scored less goals than the bottom team in the league, your £35 million striker is not contributing and your main striker is banned for 8 games, I think a striker is a priority.

Tbf Andy deserves a run, especially with Gerrard coming back I think he could net a few along with other players. A new striker might not settle in either and if its between Bent and no one, I would rather no one and have faith with who we have already.

If nothing by the end of January, then we should move for a striker.

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:49PM

Grayditch wrote: »

A certain result today makes me feels whole lot better about Stephens' Day where I took some amount of abuse from people who are about to get a text right about now...

Good man...don't go easy on them now!

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 03:54PM

Yakult wrote: »

Tbf Andy deserves a run, especially with Gerrard coming back I think he could net a few along with other players. A new striker might not settle in either and if its between Bent and no one, I would rather no one and have faith with who we have already.

If nothing by the end of January, then we should move for a striker.

I think we need a better striker than Carroll if we are to finish in the top 4. He's simply not good enough for Liverpool. And showing no signs of improving.

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 03:55PM

skydish79 wrote: »

Would prefer us to target some quality in midfield before looking at the strikers

Definitely do not agree.

Gerrard, Adam, Henderson, Shelvey & Spearing all for CM positions.

Our problem don't lie in the centre of midfield, its with finishing.

A consistent finisher is what we need. In fact, as someone mentioned him, a Gary Lineker would be perfect

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 03:57PM

doc_17 wrote: »

It was someone else who made the Rush comparison not me! Wouldn't hear a bad word about him:D

Van Nistlerooys time at United saw him score 30 plus a season. Every season. You can carry that. Not someone like Bent who'll get around 15 goals. Likewise torres, who had a favourbale goals to games ratio (during his time at Liverpool) and made an impact in the big games.

But listen, if people want Darren Bent at Liverpool good luck to you. It's all about opinions...I don't rate Bent. Torres and Van Nistlerooy were class though and I think a cut above Darren Bent.

We do need who is a better finisher yes but why can't they be useful in other departments as well.

Sorry mate, I read your post as making the Rush comparison.

As for Bent, well as already said I would not be keen on getting him as I don't think he would cost as much or even more than a better player, but I do think he would get more goals than what we have at the moment in the team, and I certainly think he would outscore Carroll.

As for a 30 league goals a season man being easier for a team to carry than a 15 goal man, yeah he is. But a 15 goal man is easier to carry than a 5 to 7 goal man.

If I was looking for a striker for the team right now, I would be trying to get the man that I thought would get the most goals and how he is in other departments would be a bonus but not essential as long as he can finish on a regular basis.

Huntelaar would be my choice of target based on the above, and based on not making myself miserable dreaming of much more expensive players.
Welliton I think would cost more than Huntelaar, but I think has way more potential and offers a bit more variety in attack thanks to his pace and skills.

If the club wanted to spend big money again there is no shortage of names out there. Leanardo and Leandro Damiao just to throw two more brazilians into the mix.

Cavani, Falcao, and Llorente to throw three more that would cost big money.

Or we could go down the route of gambling on the likes of De jong, or Moestafa El Kabir as cheaper back up strikers that might have the potential to get better.

Midfield is where I would want the club to bring in real quality first, but if a quality finisher was available and the club had the money to spare without it causing other transfers to be cancelled, then they would be mad not to at least try to bring someone in. Imho of course

barone · 31-12-2011 03:57PM

higuain from real madrid would be an awesome buy

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 04:00PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Definitely do not agree.

Gerrard, Adam, Henderson, Shelvey & Spearing all for CM positions.

Our problem don't lie in the centre of midfield, its with finishing.

A consistent finisher is what we need. In fact, as someone mentioned him, a Gary Lineker would be perfect

Not one of the midfielders you named is good enough to add steel to the team or play in a DM role to a high level when we are under the cosh. Spearing is the only one that is a natural fit and he is simply not good enough. The other four are all better at the offensive side of things.

I agree we have a major problem with finishing, but a steadier more solid platform behind the offensive players only makes us stronger as a unit.

In an ideal world/window we would be trying to bring in quality for the CM position and a quality finisher.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 04:01PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Sorry mate, I read your post as making the Rush comparison.

As for Bent, well as already said I would not be keen on getting him as I don't think he would cost as much or even more than a better player, but I do think he would get more goals than what we have at the moment in the team, and I certainly think he would outscore Carroll.

As for a 30 league goals a season man being easier for a team to carry than a 15 goal man, yeah he is. But a 15 goal man is easier to carry than a 5 to 7 goal man.

If I was looking for a striker for the team right now, I would be trying to get the man that I thought would get the most goals and how he is in other departments would be a bonus but not essential as long as he can finish on a regular basis.

Huntelaar would be my choice of target based on the above, and based on not making myself miserable dreaming of much more expensive players.
Welliton I think would cost more than Huntelaar, but I think has way more potential and offers a bit more variety in attack thanks to his pace and skills.

If the club wanted to spend big money again there is no shortage of names out there. Leanardo and Leandro Damiao just to throw two more brazilians into the mix.

Cavani, Falcao, and Llorente to throw three more that would cost big money.

Or we could go down the route of gambling on the likes of De jong, or Moestafa El Kabir as cheaper back up strikers that might have the potential to get better.

Midfield is where I would want the club to bring in real quality first, but if a quality finisher was available and the club had the money to spare without it causing other transfers to be cancelled, then they would be mad not to at least try to bring someone in. Imho of course

We have created more chances than any other team in the League and have one of the best defensive records. I'd say our midfield is functioning adequately. I do think we'll add a defensive midfielder for a moderate fee. I think the club have recognised the Carroll will not push the team into a top 4 position.

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 04:03PM

barone wrote: »

higuain from real madrid would be an awesome buy

Quality finisher alright and young.

5starpool · 31-12-2011 04:04PM

On a positive note, we now have the joint best defence in the league again thanks to Blackburn.

Also, Higuain is unattainable, but would obviously be an immense signing. Not going to happen though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-12-2011 04:07PM

Grayditch wrote: »

A certain result today makes me feels whole lot better about Stephens' Day where I took some amount of abuse from people who are about to get a text right about now...

Wait until after they play Newcastle.

Leiva · 31-12-2011 04:08PM

Bent is a good finisher but surely a purchase like that would go against everything we have been hearing about the long term plan.

I wouldn't be jizzing my pants if we bought him

In other news ...
Wilson is gone to Blackpool on loan .

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 04:10PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

We have created more chances than any other team in the League and have one of the best defensive records. I'd say our midfield is functioning adequately. I do think we'll add a defensive midfielder for a moderate fee. I think the club have recognised the Carroll will not push the team into a top 4 position.

Our midfield is doing alright, but nothing great either. I think genuine quality in the centre could see the midfield actually start to chip in with more by way of goals and assists, something that it has not been great at this season. I think a player that can bring some steel to the centre, along with genuine ball winning abilities would give more freedom to the attackers. I'm not talking about a CM that can only do the DM role though, I would be thinking of a very good allrounder who would be a step up on what we have.

I do agree that a quality finisher is something we need, and that Carroll does not look like he will be that man anytime soon.

I also think we need a proper right sided attacker that is good enough to force the other team into leaving gaps elsewhere in order to try and stop him.

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