Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:44PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Being attainable is completely different to stating "wouldn't go to Liverpool".

Availability is the name of the game. Once you've the cash, most players will move these days.

So name one world class player who would go to Liverpool at the moment, that would be in and around the price of Tevez

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 02:45PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I wouldn't describe him as world class. I don't watch Villarreal every week though, and I'm not saying he hasn't the potential to be, but I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Tevez

Perhaps not in Tevez class but he's a good player. 27 caps for Italy too.

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 02:45PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Bent would be roughly the same price, and on half the money. That would work out at about £13m cheaper over two years for an average player, who's sell on value would probably be similar to Tevez's. I would hate to see Bent signed

Bent was signed for £18m with the potential to rise to £24m depending on add-ons achieved. Supposedly Villa have said they aren't willing to accept to big of a lose on him to it seems they will obviously take a lose on him. I think £15m with add-ons to £18m could get it done. He won't be on half on what Tevez in either which would be £125k, he would be on about 80k. Bent is a proven goal-scorer, wouldn't any issues with him being signed.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 02:45PM

Why would Tevez sign for us ?

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:46PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

World class needs to be defined properly, but regardless saying because we can't sign a world class striker we have to waste all our money on a known headcase is still stupid.

There's new players every year that are going to be very good to great, let's find them.

And if after all Comolli's scouting we end up with Darren Bent, I'm going to wonder just wtf he does.

This is what I'm getting at. If there's an alternative to Tevez who could really add to the side, then great. But I genuinely think its going to be someone like Bent, overpriced and overrated

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:50PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Bent was signed for £18m with the potential to rise to £24m depending on add-ons achieved. Supposedly Villa have said they aren't willing to accept to big of a lose on him to it seems they will obviously take a lose on him. I think £15m with add-ons to £18m could get it done. He won't be on half on what Tevez in either which would be £125k, he would be on about 80k. Bent is a proven goal-scorer, wouldn't any issues with him being signed.

Everyone knows Liverpool are mugs in the transfer market, it would be £18m at the very least, if that's what Villa paid

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why would Tevez sign for us ?

Money. He'd obviously prefer Milan, but if they aren't willing to buy

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 02:50PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

This is what I'm getting at. If there's an alternative to Tevez who could really add to the side, then great. But I genuinely think its going to be someone like Bent, overpriced and overrated

I think it'll be Luuk De Jong from Twente for about £12 Million or so.

rossie1977 · 31-12-2011 02:51PM

since when did tevez become world class, guy can't even start for argentina

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:53PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

since when did tevez become world class, guy can't even start for argentina

Is that not because him and the Manager don't get on? An unusual situation for Tevez

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 02:54PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Is that not because him and the Manager don't get on? An unusual situation for Tevez

Its because he can't play with Messi. He gets in Messi's way. Aguero, Lavezzi, Higuain to compete with also.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 02:55PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

This is what I'm getting at. If there's an alternative to Tevez who could really add to the side, then great. But I genuinely think its going to be someone like Bent, overpriced and overrated

There's plenty of players all around the word that could add to this side. Just because the British and Irish media doesn't report about them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Nobody over here knew much about Soldado or Cavani two years ago when they signed for their respective clubs, did that stop them becoming two of the best goalscorers in Europe ?

There are always players. We don't need to limit ourselves to Carlos Tevez.

And if Tevez would sign for the money what makes you think someone esle won't ?

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 03:06PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Everyone knows Liverpool are mugs in the transfer market, it would be £18m at the very least, if that's what Villa paid

So why would City accept £25m from us if we are mugs? Probably end up costing closer to £35m then.

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 03:06PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Has anyone said he had a great game?!

Pretty sure that at least one person said he was excellent in the second half and average in the first.

How anyone saw him being excellent even for one half last night is beyond me. He improved after Gerrard came on, but was nowhere near good let alone excellent in the second half. Pretty average at best for the second half and worse in the first half.

Part of me actually dreads the reaction to when he gets a goal tbh, as I think it will lead to a run of comments saying he had just proven how good he is, rather then it being seen as hopefully the fist of many and a step in the right direction.

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:07PM

darren Bent signing for Liverpoo would be a major mistake.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 03:10PM

doc_17 wrote: »

darren Bent signing for Liverpoo would be a major mistake.

Would it? He would definitely score goals for Liverpool.

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 03:10PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Name one world class striker who right now would be attainable?

Why does it have to be a world class striker? A good to very good finisher would have a field day with the chances Liverpool creates.

Welliton
Huntelaar
Bent

Would be three that spring to mind in the 25 to 28yo bracket of good finishers that have good track records in terms of goals to games that I think would stand a very good chance of having an immediate impact.

Welliton I think would be amazing in the EPL, as he has so much to his game.

Huntelaar is just a proven finisher over close to a decade of play and would be the kind of 18 yard predator that could excel at Liverpool.

Bent I don't actually want as I think he could cost silly money due to being English but I do think that he would get a fair few goals in the current Liverpoool side.

G.K. · 31-12-2011 03:11PM

Ayala starts for Norwich

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:13PM

The main stiker for top teams should be more than a goalscorer....look at Rooney, Van P, Adebayor, Drogba, Aguero. They are all prolific but their all round general contribution is important as well and they create as well. It's this type of player we should be looking for. Not someone who lies up front and sticks it in from 2 yards and does little else.

I understand pople saying we need more goals but we can be a little bit more ambitious in our targets as well.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 03:15PM

doc_17 wrote: »

The main stiker for top teams should be more than a goalscorer....look at Rooney, Van P, Adebayor, Drogba, Aguero. They are all prolific but their all round general contribution is important as well and they create as well. It's this type of player we should be looking for. Not someone who lies up front and sticks it in from 2 yards and does little else.

I understand pople saying we need more goals but we can be a little bit more ambitious in our targets as well.

Dalglish had Rush. Suarez needs a Rush.

Sappy404 · 31-12-2011 03:16PM

Can't understand this Tevez talk. He'd be just as unhappy at Liverpool as he is at City. This talk about him being the only striker of his class who is available is strictly speaking true, but there's a very good reason why he's available, and ignoring that and just looking at his abilities on the pitch is incredibly naive.

If we can get him on loan on a pay-as-you-play deal, then maybe. Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal would all be looking for him too though, and London is a much more suitable destination for him given his propensity for fooking off back to South America whenever he feels like it.

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 03:16PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

There's plenty of players all around the word that could add to this side. Just because the British and Irish media doesn't report about them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Nobody over here knew much about Soldado or Cavani two years ago when they signed for their respective clubs, did that stop them becoming two of the best goalscorers in Europe ?

There are always players. We don't need to limit ourselves to Carlos Tevez.

And if Tevez would sign for the money what makes you think someone esle won't ?

I'm not disputing your first part of your post, but I've seen nothing to suggest the club look beyond the realms of the UK

The reasoning I'm advocating signing Tevez is that I think the alternative would be someone along the lines of Darren Bent. If they are looking beyond that, then great, but otherwise I'd take Tevez

I think Tevez would sign because he doesn't have many alternatives who could offer him the money. Any other player with his ability would have a number of clubs after him, many of whom could offer more money, and CL football

Mr Alan · 31-12-2011 03:16PM

doc_17 wrote: »

The main stiker for top teams should be more than a goalscorer....look at Rooney, Van P, Adebayor, Drogba, Aguero. They are all prolific but their all round general contribution is important as well and they create as well. It's this type of player we should be looking for. Not someone who lies up front and sticks it in from 2 yards and does little else.

I understand pople saying we need more goals but we can be a little bit more ambitious in our targets as well.

Suarez?

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:17PM

Dalglish/Rush partnership was about 25 years ago. The game has changed. I just don't believe a real top team can carry a player like Bent who adds very little to geneal play.

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 03:17PM

doc_17 wrote: »

The main stiker for top teams should be more than a goalscorer....look at Rooney, Van P, Adebayor, Drogba, Aguero. They are all prolific but their all round general contribution is important as well and they create as well. It's this type of player we should be looking for. Not someone who lies up front and sticks it in from 2 yards and does little else.

I understand pople saying we need more goals but we can be a little bit more ambitious in our targets as well.

Put a quality finisher in the same team as Suarez and I think that you would see Suarez improve a lot in terms of his goals to games. I think with a good finisher in the team he would be more like the player he was for Ajax (expecially that period when he had Huntelaar as the Ajax striker) and more like the player he is for his country.

A quality finisher in the team would cause more space in and around the box for Suarez (and for the rest of our attackers) and create more time for them as a result.

Tusky · 31-12-2011 03:17PM

I think we need to consider where we are and what we have when buying a striker.

We currently have:

Suarez
Carroll
Bellamy
Kuyt

What will it mean for Carroll if we sign another striker? He will just fall further down the pecking order. I think we need to make a decision. Either stick with him and hope he improves, or sell him, cutting our losses and invest big in someone else.

A lot of the names being suggested on here aren't good enough to be our main striker, but are merely being suggested because they are better than Carroll. But in that scenario we would have paid £35m+whatever for two players, neither of which are really the quality we are after.

ynwa_17 · 31-12-2011 03:18PM

Danny Wilson has signed for Blackpool on loan:

Liverpool defender Danny Wilson has joined Blackpool on loan until the end of the season.

The 20-year-old Scotland international has found opportunities at Anfield hard to come by since his £2million move from Rangers in July 2010.

Wilson has featured just once for Liverpool this term and will join Ian Holloway's side in their push for promotion back to the Premier League.

Wilson is the second Liverpool player to join the Tangerines this season after Jonjo Shelvy enjoyed two successful months with the Championship side before he was recalled at the end of November.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2080684/Danny-Wilson-joins-Blackpool-loan.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Very decent deal for us. Blackpool play some good football as was seen when Shelvey was there so it'll be good for him to ge first team action.

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:18PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Suarez?

I'd like to see him score more goals to be honest. He is a top player though.

doc_17 · 31-12-2011 03:20PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Put a quality finisher in the same team as Suarez and I think that you would see Suarez improve a lot in terms of his goals to games. I think with a good finisher in the team he would be more like the player he was for Ajax (expecially that period when he had Huntelaar as the Ajax striker) and more like the player he is for his country.

A quality finisher in the team would cause more space in and around the box for Suarez (and for the rest of our attackers) and create more time for them as a result.

I don't disagree with any of that but all I'm saying is that Darren Bent shouldn't be that man...for the money we'd have to fork out and his age i think there would be better options

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 03:20PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I'm not disputing your first part of your post, but I've seen nothing to suggest the club look beyond the realms of the UK

The reasoning I'm advocating signing Tevez is that I think the alternative would be someone along the lines of Darren Bent. If they are looking beyond that, then great, but otherwise I'd take Tevez

I think Tevez would sign because he doesn't have many alternatives who could offer him the money. Any other player with his ability would have a number of clubs after him, many of whom could offer more money, and CL football

We can't really offer him the money. I can't see the club smashing it's transfer wage cap for Tevez. It would be double of what the next best paid player is and then the floodgates would be opened.

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 03:22PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So why would City accept £25m from us if we are mugs? Probably end up costing closer to £35m then.

Because they want to sell, and nobody else will pay that

Kess73 wrote: »

Why does it have to be a world class striker? A good to very good finisher would have a field day with the chances Liverpool creates.

Welliton
Huntelaar
Bent

Would be three that spring to mind in the 25 to 28yo bracket of good finishers that have good track records in terms of goals to games that I think would stand a very good chance of having an immediate impact.

Welliton I think would be amazing in the EPL, as he has so much to his game.

Huntelaar is just a proven finisher over close to a decade of play and would be the kind of 18 yard predator that could excel at Liverpool.

Bent I don't actually want as I think he could cost silly money due to being English but I do think that he would get a fair few goals in the current Liverpoool side.

I didn't say he had to be world class, I was just responding to another poster implying that Liverpool can at the minute attract world class players. Of the above, I'd love to see Huntelaar sign, Welliton I don't know much about, and Bent as I said I think is overrated and overpriced, which probably makes him the most likely

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