Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

DaNiEl1994 · 31-12-2011 01:28PM

bellamys set pieces are much better than adam i think bellamy suarez and gerrard should be the only people allowed near fk's and agger when it suits him, countless times adam has failed to pick out a man or get it past the first man.

gerrard put in about 3 balls into the box yesterday and all on carrolls head bellamys crosses seem very dangerous aswell, nothing against adam i think hes a good player and should be starting good passing (hasnt done much recently though now i come to think of it) and tackling, i loved his 30 yard runs with the ball eg.v united he did it against someone else aswell cant remember

Leiva · 31-12-2011 01:44PM

Three great players so little match time together ...

RT @BassTunedToRed: "If LFC can get Gerrard, Suarez & Lucas in the same team we'll be much better" only had 96 mins together in PL in 11/12

monkey9 · 31-12-2011 01:49PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Good win today for ye, but big Andy didn't do a tap all game to be honest, heavy touch and inaccuracy is all can be said.

Bellamy played well but he wont play every game, to inconsistent, and the rest did very little TBH...

Stevie didn't do to bad but he is a crock and will most likely get injured soon enough, i cant still see Liverpool placing inside the the top four, don't think they are a threat to Arsenal and Chelsea in the fight for fourth.

Carroll is like a drunk battering ram, clumsy and lacks quality, cant see him ever achieving anything at Liverpool, I reckon he misses being at the Toon.

Thanks for the contribution. Appreciate it!

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 01:49PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I doubt City would let him go on loan in England, given they've turned down Milan already. I'd love to see him sign

It will end badly, he will moan and stir **** eventually. But the side lacks real quality, and is one of a few genuinely world class players within reach. If he was signed for roughly £25-30m, and got the goals over the next two years to get the club into the CL, just as he did with City, before throwing his toys out of the pram, he'd be worth it IMO. Even if it meant him leaving for fook all in two years

Look at his impact at City. All things considered, was he a good signing? Undoubtedly IMO

But he doesn't want to be in England, why would a transfer to Liverpool change that?

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 01:51PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

But he doesn't want to be in England, why would a transfer to Liverpool change that?

He said a few weeks ago he was happy to stay in England as his family had moved over. His mind changes as quickly as the wind. If the money was right, I'm sure he'd be happy for a year or two

K-9 · 31-12-2011 01:51PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

But he doesn't want to be in England, why would a transfer to Liverpool change that?

Closer to home?

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 01:55PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

He said a few weeks ago he was happy to stay in England as his family had moved over. His mind changes as quickly as the wind. If the money was right, I'm sure he'd be happy for a year or two

He's on £250k at City and he's still kicking up a fuss. Ca't see Liverpool being willing and able to pay the money to keep him happy. I'd hate the transfer, £25m on transfer and then £250k a week? Far to risky.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 01:58PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Can a mod not please put this cretin out of his misery?

It's a shotgun that's needed, not a mod.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 02:00PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Adam stats have gone seriously down since the moment Lucas went down injured .

Maybe those accusations about Charlie Adam limitations when David Vaughan wasnt also playing at Blackpool have some merit .

Nah, the stats for everyone's passing wasn't great last night. Mainly because Newcastle are one of the hardest working sides in the league.

No biggie.

Leiva · 31-12-2011 02:00PM

Ahh I see Oul' Willy is looking for a rise .

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:03PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's on £250k at City and he's still kicking up a fuss. Ca't see Liverpool being willing and able to pay the money to keep him happy. I'd hate the transfer, £25m on transfer and then £250k a week? Far to risky.

That's about £13m a year, which I think would be worth it if the club got back into the CL. Who are the alternatives? £13m a year is a lot, but would signing yet another average striker for less then half that make more sense? I certainly don't think so

mike65 · 31-12-2011 02:11PM

Tevez? :eek: Crazy idea for every reason I can think of. Liverpool can get far more reliable for the same money. Anyway hard to see FSG spending more than about 15 million this window if at all. Hard to see who could be sold to raise more dosh.

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 02:12PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

That's about £13m a year, which I think would be worth it if the club got back into the CL. Who are the alternatives? £13m a year is a lot, but would signing yet another average striker for less then half that make more sense? I certainly don't think so

£42m for a striker who could very easily throw a wobbler after a week is a massive risk and one we can't afford to take. Why not spend the £25m on a good striker who isn't a complete header instead?

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:17PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

£42m for a striker who could very easily throw a wobbler after a week is a massive risk and one we can't afford to take. Why not spend the £25m on a good striker who isn't a complete header instead?

Because no world class striker will go to Liverpool. Tevez has issues, hence why him going to Liverpool could be possible. If there was a suitable alternative, then fine, but Liverpool aren't in a position to attract anyone coming close to Tevez's quality at the moment

Who would you suggest as a realistic alternative?

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2011 02:24PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Because no world class striker will go to Liverpool. Tevez has issues, hence why him going to Liverpool could be possible. If there was a suitable alternative, then fine, but Liverpool aren't in a position to attract anyone coming close to Tevez's quality at the moment

Who would you suggest as a realistic alternative?

That's why I said very good strikers, not world class. I'm sure there are some very good strikers who are worth a look over Tevez. I don't know a huge amount about European football so can't bring up many names but I honestly rather go for someone like Bent then Tevez. I'd rather have someone who is cheaper, less quality but will actually play instead of having a world class player sitting at home because he throw his toys out of the pram because he misses his family in Argentina and just can't settle in England.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 02:24PM

It's rare that World Class talents move anyway, the trick is to buy them right before they're about to be World Class.

And with Tevez being such a massive liability there's no way we would ever consider him for such a fee, 25m for someone who is likely to sulk all the way through his 200k+ a week contract, disappear to Argentina without permission and just generally cause problems is money that's guaranteed to be wasted.

You might be able to get a good six months or a year out of him before he throws the toys out of the pram, so a loan deal is the only reasonable option if Tevez is the target.

Anyway I want Marco Reus.

Tusky · 31-12-2011 02:25PM

People saying Carroll had a great game last night are way wide of the mark. It's another case of the bar being set far too low. He was poor in the first half and ok in the second, but no more than that. And he really should have scored from at least one of Gerrards sublime balls in.

mike65 · 31-12-2011 02:25PM

Podolski, Huntelaar, De Jong, are all much more likely possibles to varying degrees.

Mr Alan · 31-12-2011 02:29PM

Tusky wrote: »

People saying Carroll had a great game last night are way wide of the mark. It's another case of the bar being set far too low. He was poor in the first half and ok in the second, but no more than that. And he really should have scored from at least one of Gerrards sublime balls in.

Has anyone said he had a great game?!

Tusky · 31-12-2011 02:31PM

Tusky wrote: »

People saying Carroll had a great game last night are way wide of the mark. It's another case of the bar being set far too low. He was poor in the first half and ok in the second, but no more than that. And he really should have scored from at least one of Gerrards sublime balls in.

I believe so yeah. If I'm wrong I'll eat my hat!

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 02:32PM

Tusky wrote: »

People saying Carroll had a great game last night are way wide of the mark. It's another case of the bar being set far too low. He was poor in the first half and ok in the second, but no more than that. And he really should have scored from at least one of Gerrards sublime balls in.

Did anyone say he had a great game ? I think I missed that.

What pleased me in the second half was you can see how it's possible that we might get something out of him in future, good early crosses.

Downing dwells on the ball way too much, some of that is just his nature other times it's because Carroll isn't in the box. Johnson can't cross for toffee, Enrique doesn't seem to like hitting proper crosses either.

We need to abandon the wingers playing on the wrong side if we're to get the best out of Carroll. And maybe consider Kelly at RB, cos that boy can cross.

Mr Alan · 31-12-2011 02:34PM

Tusky wrote: »

I believe so yeah. If I'm wrong I'll eat my hat!

I ain't seen it. If they did, they're wrong. He was average in the first half. Good in the second half. Overall he'd a decent game.

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 02:34PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Because no world class striker will go to Liverpool. Tevez has issues, hence why him going to Liverpool could be possible. If there was a suitable alternative, then fine, but Liverpool aren't in a position to attract anyone coming close to Tevez's quality at the moment

Who would you suggest as a realistic alternative?

Yeah we've been trying for a while to get that Suarez fella, but because we're so crap he won't sign.

Oh wait...

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:36PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

That's why I said very good strikers, not world class. I'm sure there are some very good strikers who are worth a look over Tevez. I don't know a huge amount about European football so can't bring up many names but I honestly rather go for someone like Bent then Tevez. I'd rather have someone who is cheaper, less quality but will actually play instead of having a world class player sitting at home because he throw his toys out of the pram because he misses his family in Argentina and just can't settle in England.

Bent would be roughly the same price, and on half the money. That would work out at about £13m cheaper over two years for an average player, who's sell on value would probably be similar to Tevez's. I would hate to see Bent signed

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

It's rare that World Class talents move anyway, the trick is to buy them right before they're about to be World Class.

And with Tevez being such a massive liability there's no way we would ever consider him for such a fee, 25m for someone who is likely to sulk all the way through his 200k+ a week contract, disappear to Argentina without permission and just generally cause problems is money that's guaranteed to be wasted.

You might be able to get a good six months or a year out of him before he throws the toys out of the pram, so a loan deal is the only reasonable option if Tevez is the target.

Anyway I want Marco Reus.

Obviously signing players before they are world class would be ideal, but we are where we are. Looking at what Tevez did for City, if he could do similar for Liverpool, would you consider him worth it?

mike65 wrote: »

Podolski, Huntelaar, De Jong, are all much more likely possibles to varying degrees.

Would love to see Huntelaar, but I can't see it

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:38PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Yeah we've been trying for a while to get that Suarez fella, but because we're so crap he won't sign.

Oh wait...

Name one world class striker who right now would be attainable?

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 02:39PM

I don't think we need a world class striker. Just a good striker. With the chances the team is creating a decent player with a strikers instinct would do well for us.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 02:40PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Name one world class striker who right now would be attainable?

Rossi from Villarreal. Coming back from a serious knee injury though.

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 02:40PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Name one world class striker who right now would be attainable?

Being attainable is completely different to stating "wouldn't go to Liverpool".

Availability is the name of the game. Once you've the cash, most players will move these days.

tommyhaas · 31-12-2011 02:43PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Rossi from Villarreal. Coming back from a serious knee injury though.

I wouldn't describe him as world class. I don't watch Villarreal every week though, and I'm not saying he hasn't the potential to be, but I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Tevez

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 02:43PM

World class needs to be defined properly, but regardless saying because we can't sign a world class striker we have to waste all our money on a known headcase is still stupid.

There's new players every year that are going to be very good to great, let's find them.

And if after all Comolli's scouting we end up with Darren Bent, I'm going to wonder just wtf he does.

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