Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

lol skrtel, what a hero.

I'm not a fan of gerrard at all, but his cameo yesterday made a massive difference. It is clear that he is what liverpool were missing the last few months. It was my first time watching Liverpool since the spurs game and I can see why carroll is getting a tough time. He is dreadful. His positioning and touch is appalling and even if he was bought for 1million, he still would be a flop. There was plenty of decent crosses in for him to get to the end of but he was either out on the wing or 2 or 3 yards behind the ball.

Bellamy was a great signing, I was always impressed with him wherever he was, can be hot and cold, but when he is good, he's very good.

willmunny1990 wrote: »

I have no love for Liverpool. It's natural that I'm going to pick out and discuss the negative points about your football club,

Yay. Look forward to your posts.

Pardew: 'Still not happy about selling Andy Carroll'

Dalglish: 'I'll swap him for Demba Ba'

mixednuts wrote: »

The bar was pretty low so any sort of a performances was an improvment.

He done OK but could have done a hell of a lot better .

He never pre-empts a pass or possible deflection etc and his movement inside the box in non existent.

He requires a cross that resembles a heat seeking missle with it's accuracy , and frankly there is probably two players in the current squad who get the head up quick enough to attempt one .
Still could be a success but I think we need to change our whole formation and style to suit , which in turn makes us one dimensional and predictable to defend against , especially if you can cut out his supply of crosses etc.

Looking forward I can't see how Kenny can/could facilitate a starting spot for Carroll . I can only see him being an impact sub to try something different if we are struggling with plan A , or maybe a limited number of games that we come up against certain sides that we go with the aerial threat , but even at that I'm still not sure he has it in his locker to become the "beast" of a player most are predicting .

Only time will tell.

I would agree with you in that the bar seems to be set very low for Carroll in terms of what gets called a good game. He did look a bit better after Gerrard came on, but he still did not look great.

His positioning is still awful most of the time, and he still tried to avoid getting into the box for many of our attacks. His habit of dropping back to about half way between the 18 yard line and the halfway line is annoying as he simply does not have the pace, guile, or ability to do anything of use that deep.

I thought at the start of the season that he would be a bigger source of goals than Suarez and that people who were saying Suarez would be a goal magnet back in August were wrong. Looks like not only were they wrong about Suarez being a high goalscorer for Liverpool, I was also badly wrong about Carroll.

Downing gets slaughtered in here at times because he has no assists and no goals. When Downing gets a shot off and gets no goal he gets slagged off, yet when Andy Carroll has a few misses during a game he gets praised for having a good game.

We can't be relying on Gerrard to save Andy Carroll because given Gerrard;s injury record over the past three to four seasons he will miss plenty of games each season, so Carroll has to be able to be effective with or without Gerrard in the team. Having Gerrard back in the team is a bonus right now imho, but he is a short term option due to his age/injuries.

I'm just hoping that once the window opens tomorrow that we bring some quality in.

Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan..hehehe...It's Steve

rarnes1 wrote: »

Gerrard showing some of them hows its done last night.

A fit and firing Gerrard could be like a new signing for us and could transform our season tbh.

Delighted to see him back.

Well you've certainly changed your tune, Rarnes. I wouldn't be so surprised about Gerrard's performance if I was you. Afterall, he is by far our best player.....and no I haven't forgotten about Dani Pacheco!

Kess73 wrote: »

I was also badly wrong about Carroll.

Don't beat yourself up about Carroll. Eventually he will start knocking them in. We're stuck with him and you'll only drive yourself to drink by analysing his performances or by hoping we'll sign a big money striker in the window...because we both know there is no chance of this happening.

rarnes1 wrote: »

On loan until the summer, yes please.

Only if term terms and conditions suit us.

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's ok. CP has forgotten who he argued with ages ago over Pacheco. About two or three months back he threw the Pacheco comment at me and still got the wrong guy.